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[0regon]

Hazeclaw, on 12 November 2018 - 06:37 PM, said:

I only have 1 question: why do you objective rush pugs and 2-4 mans + pugs?

Honestly, I don't recollect ever doing that, unless we only had a couple of Bacon in the group, which is often the case

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Lawrence Elsa, on 12 November 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

If this is true it sure as hell bothers me. Kcom would at least give it to their players when needed for things like Drop Decks or decals to abreviate one's name on the back of the mech. They even let anyone see the coffers, does bacon get the same treatment?

It's not true, he's just making stuff up off the top of his head. Don't let it bother you.

[dante245]

justcallme A S H, on 12 November 2018 - 05:01 AM, said:

someone is angry about being beaten by a 2-man tonight with your group, aren't they?



What lie? Here are screenshots from tonights games.

ONE
TWO

I was in a 2-man (with Carl Vickers) with a mate and basically steamrolled your group. Better yet how about I link you to my video where you make an absolute fool of yourself - HERE... Or if you want the super embarrasing part - HERE

No need to make false claims. I have video, ive shown it above - What are you going to claim next I wonder?

tonight...your acting like your history ends the next day. about a week ago you did over 5 games, back to back..with a pre made group. saying you do not is a lie. i have proof and will provide it in private messages " as name and shame" rules could make posting your ******** here a breach. and you have done pre mades like the one just mentioned many..many times over the last few months. we were on the other team, so we can confirm "all the people in our group during our matches against you the last 2 months" attacking me to undermine me as to undermine my argument....thats ad hominem. but you would not know that...obviously. https://examples.you...m-examples.html by the way...not many in the gaming community believe you or like you...if not for name and shame policies..i would get a poll made up for how many people believe you vs how many do not. your not as smart as you pretend, or give a **** about the MWO community as you say. your in it for you...and attacking other units for thinking out side the box, mocking them, and then going about trying to deface them...is pathetic...

Edited by dante245, 12 November 2018 - 09:47 PM.

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justcallme A S H, on 12 November 2018 - 05:01 AM, said:

I was in a 2-man (with Carl Vickers) with a mate and basically steamrolled your group.

So your 2-man beat an RXD 3-man. Big deal. Replace those BWMR guys with average pugs and they might've won.

[dante245]

cute video ash...just proves your a smug *****. glad your having fun there. and never said i was a better player then you. really dont care to be. im here for fun. but people like you try very hard to make it not fun. but we still have fun regardless cause no one really gives to shits about you accept to see you shoot your self in the foot. funny how you dont have any records of all the times you lost to us. lol guess you just stop recording when you dont get your way.

Deepfryer, on 12 November 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

So your 2-man beat an RXD 3-man. Big deal. Replace those BWMR guys with average pugs and they might've won.

appreciated deep....again this man likes to talk allot of ****...cause he is full of himself. by the way...he came here attacking bacon...i dont see them, or me, or anyone..going after him on his twitch and ******** on his petty parade. mans a joke.

Edited by dante245, 12 November 2018 - 08:44 PM.

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Eisenhorne, on 12 November 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

I've dropped with DSx, o7, HHoD, BCMC/Evil, MS, and CSPS all at least somewhat recently. In every single drop, the vast majority of our games have been absolutely one-sided stompings. Literally any organized 12 man group will CRUSH a pug group. There is literally no way for these guys to have fun doing solo play. Better players congregating together in the same group then has little impact on the average puggle.... I doubt they can appreciate the difference in being stomped 48-15 or 48-24, as far as they're concerned a stomp is a stomp.

So why bother worrying about stacking's impact on the average player. It doesn't make a difference.

Your post assumes that organized groups vs pugs is the only possible type of match. Pugs vs pugs can be fun, and groups vs groups can also be fun. If it's all stomps, why bother playing at all?

The problem is that when you combine most of the top FP units in the game (EVIL, EMP, BCMC, EON, CSPS, KCOM, etc) into a single group, it's obvious that you aren't interested in competition or close games. And yes, it's killing the game.

Why not drop in smaller groups? That would be the most logical solution to your earlier statement that groups vs pugs is always a stomp.

If you drop with 4 BCMC and 8 pugs, then you might run into 4 EVIL and 8 pugs. That's a fun match that could go either way!

Base rushing is winning on a technicality. LRMs are also winning on a technicality. Either way, you're not really "fighting", so it's pretty much the same thing.

Hats off to Bacon. Win or lose, at least they're honest about it & they're playing as a unit with a cohesive strategy.

Last point: Bacon didn't bring PvE into the game, PGI brought it into the game. If you don't like it, play another game. Even if you look at the world championships, they spend significant time capping & defending bases, so it isn't strictly a PvP game. Get over it.

[Nightbird]

Good match on Emerald Taiga Bacon o7 if you didn't have two pugs that LRMed all game, it may have ended differently given how much health was on Omega at the end.

The reason that we poke fun at you though is because win or lose, most pilots can only take being one-sidely shot at for so long before saying enough is enough, I want to shoot back. Because of this, veteran pilots tend to be recruited away from units like yours (MS/HHOD/ARKB) etc that gen rush a lot. Gen rushing is a mechanic, but not a rewarding one in game. You get no cbills, no EXP, no LP/RP.

If you want to continue to be one of many trainee units that build up members only to lose them to an 'elite' unit around, it's your right. Our view that you should focus more on getting kills, even if you end up not damaging a single gen, is really for you to keep your members and grow as a unit. GLHF

[A Headless Chicken]

Deepfryer, on 12 November 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

Your post assumes that organized groups vs pugs is the only possible type of match. Pugs vs pugs can be fun, and groups vs groups can also be fun. If it's all stomps, why bother playing at all?

The problem is that when you combine most of the top FP units in the game (EVIL, EMP, BCMC, EON, CSPS, KCOM, etc) into a single group, it's obvious that you aren't interested in competition or close games. And yes, it's killing the game.

Why not drop in smaller groups? That would be the most logical solution to your earlier statement that groups vs pugs is always a stomp.

If you drop with 4 BCMC and 8 pugs, then you might run into 4 EVIL and 8 pugs. That's a fun match that could go either way!

Base rushing is winning on a technicality. LRMs are also winning on a technicality. Either way, you're not really "fighting", so it's pretty much the same thing.

Hats off to Bacon. Win or lose, at least they're honest about it & they're playing as a unit with a cohesive strategy.

Last point: Bacon didn't bring PvE into the game, PGI brought it into the game. If you don't like it, play another game. Even if you look at the world championships, they spend significant time capping & defending bases, so it isn't strictly a PvP game. Get over it.

I really do wish this was a PvE game sometimes because AI would actually be more of a challenge than you.

[denAirwalkerrr]

A Headless Chicken, on 12 November 2018 - 09:41 PM, said:

I really do wish this was a PvE game sometimes because AI would actually be more of a challenge than you.

Cuz AI at least shoots at you?

[justcallme A S H]

dante245, on 12 November 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

tonight...your acting like your history ends the next day. about a week ago you did over 5 games, back to back..with a pre made group. saying you do not is a lie. i have proof and will provide it in private messages " as name and shame" rules could make posting your ******** here a breach. and you have done pre mades like the one just mentioned many..many times over the last few months. we were on the other team, so we can confirm "all the people in our group during our matches against you the last 2 months" attacking me to undermine me as to undermine my argument....thats ad hominem. but you would not know that...obviously. https://examples.you...m-examples.html by the way...not many in the gaming community believe you or like you...if not for name and shame policies..i would get a poll made up for how many people believe you vs how many do not. your not as smart as you pretend, or give a **** about the MWO community as you say. your in it for you...and attacking other units for thinking out side the box, mocking them, and then going about trying to deface them...is pathetic...

Are you OK? You seem a little obsessed/unhinged.

Either way the video proof is there for all to see. You can stop the crazy now you've been found out.

[S O L A I S]

Deepfryer, on 12 November 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

Your post assumes that organized groups vs pugs is the only possible type of match. Pugs vs pugs can be fun, and groups vs groups can also be fun. If it's all stomps, why bother playing at all?

The problem is that when you combine most of the top FP units in the game (EVIL, EMP, BCMC, EON, CSPS, KCOM, etc) into a single group, it's obvious that you aren't interested in competition or close games. And yes, it's killing the game.

Why not drop in smaller groups? That would be the most logical solution to your earlier statement that groups vs pugs is always a stomp.

If you drop with 4 BCMC and 8 pugs, then you might run into 4 EVIL and 8 pugs. That's a fun match that could go either way!

Base rushing is winning on a technicality. LRMs are also winning on a technicality. Either way, you're not really "fighting", so it's pretty much the same thing.

Hats off to Bacon. Win or lose, at least they're honest about it & they're playing as a unit with a cohesive strategy.

Last point: Bacon didn't bring PvE into the game, PGI brought it into the game. If you don't like it, play another game. Even if you look at the world championships, they spend significant time capping & defending bases, so it isn't strictly a PvP game. Get over it.

Yes it's killing the game says you.

You have no idea what people you don't even know are interested in.

It is as simple as this. As long as PGI will allow for teams to form up and coordinate, teams will form up and coordinate. How that all settles is up to the players themselves.

As far as dropping in smaller groups and us facing each other? It happens all of the time. During primetime however when there are other twelve mans running around, we have the same right to form up and put our best foot forward as anyone else.

At what point do you guys stop and consider that you actually have no idea who we might face or who beats us because you are never around to see it? Cause I tell you what, when the time comes that I never lose a game, is the time I will consider breaking up the super stompy stack or whatever the kids are calling it these days.

[justcallme A S H]

dante245, on 12 November 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

cute video ash...just proves your a smug *****. glad your having fun there. and never said i was a better player then you. really dont care to be. im here for fun. but people like you try very hard to make it not fun. but we still have fun regardless cause no one really gives to shits about you accept to see you shoot your self in the foot. funny how you dont have any records of all the times you lost to us. lol guess you just stop recording when you dont get your way.


appreciated deep....again this man likes to talk allot of ****...cause he is full of himself. by the way...he came here attacking bacon...i dont see them, or me, or anyone..going after him on his twitch and ******** on his petty parade. mans a joke.

See you again next game when you try to dive over and over. Keep at it.

One day you might actually kill me.

[denAirwalkerrr]

dante245, on 12 November 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

im here for fun. but people like you try very hard to make it not fun

Genrushes confirmed for fun, stop ruining fun guys and let us genrush unpunished.

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dante245, on 12 November 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

your not as smart as you pretend

Priceless

[MisterSomaru]

where's my popcorn? this is getting extra salty! I want something to put on it.

[justcallme A S H]

S O L A I S, on 12 November 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

Priceless

I certainly got a solid chuckle at that one.

[Yondu Udonta]

The only time I get shot at when defending against gen-rushers is by my own turrets

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Yondu Udonta, on 12 November 2018 - 11:44 PM, said:

The only time I get shot at when defending against gen-rushers is by my own turrets

Anyone else think PGI really ought to fix that? What better time to show off fancy AI skills learned from MW5 development right?

[Bishop Six]

Yondu Udonta, on 12 November 2018 - 11:44 PM, said:

The only time I get shot at when defending against gen-rushers is by my own turrets

Sometimes i thought its a teammate and i started yelling who the f is shooting my back!

And all: "No no sir." - Next wave there is someone shooting my back again!!! WTF!!!

I understand Oregon's initiative, altough its written a bit provocant. The only solution imo is to deal with this what you get. Sometimes we are dropping just as 4 man group, sometimes we are full because there came people on ts.

But i have admit that dropping as 4 man can really be funny. During event times pug lottery is exciting, at low pop times not.

[Purusee]

Sometimes I wonder... when it becomes apparent that the enemy team is trying to win by objective, either by prediction due to the tags or something else, would stacking tall/wide mechs in front of the gens prevent or at least delay anything?
Say, you take 2 Atli, or Annihilators for each gen, and then stack the rest of the mechs in a formation around the center so they can focus fire at whatever comes through and attack the structures?