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[Bishop Six]

Thank you ButPaul!

I will hopp into PTS and try to organize my friends later that evening.

I think my previous speakers are right about 6 hours Phase of Scouting.

Especially because of the different time zones. Its is like NA people have 6 hours of Scouting, then starts the Asian Peak time and the mode switches to, lets say, Assault.
So the Americans would scout for 6 hours that the Asian can play 6 hours Assault? I dont think that the people will like this.

ButPaul please dont stop! It is wonderful to see progress for FP and the story driven conflicts are an awesome idea in general!

Later i will try to answer your questions from OP.

[PhoenixFire55]

LOL ... Hilarious.

The primary feature in the update is a matchmaker, yet the only metric matchmaker uses is currently fubar and isn't addressed at all. Le Sigh.

Minimally Viable Product^TM.

[RJF Volkodav]

Paul Inouye, on 08 April 2019 - 02:54 PM, said:

Your current ranking on your account. PSR from all your matches played in all game modes.

I'll just add my voice for those telling here that PSR have nothing about skill. More than half of a playerbase is now in T1 so it means nothing. And in fact 2-3 good players could carry an average game. So your point is quite wrong. Better to adress those high skill players/groups to be matched in equal numbers, but not sorting average ones.

[Bishop Six]

PhoenixFire55, on 09 April 2019 - 01:13 AM, said:

LOL ... Hilarious.

The primary feature in the update is a matchmaker, yet the only metric matchmaker uses is currently fubar and isn't addressed at all. Le Sigh.

Minimally Viable Product^TM.

ButPaul already said that the PSR System will get an overhaul in future. But this is independent from this FP Update.

Still they are already testing the new matchmaker metric, so they can later implement the new MM when it is the time.

[RJF Volkodav]

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ButPaul already said that the PSR System will get an overhaul in future.

So whats the logic to implement matchmaker based on broken system now? Just to implement something even if it wont work? It would be much better to focus on minor positive updates instead of making everything at once and nothing working as intended.

Edited by RJF Volkodav, 09 April 2019 - 01:30 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Bishop Six, on 09 April 2019 - 01:16 AM, said:

ButPaul already said that the PSR System will get an overhaul in future. But this is independent from this FP Update.

What is the point in changing the matchmaker from one that doesn't work or doesn't exist to the one that doesn't work either?
I've heard "it'll be addressed later" countless times, and every single time it was a fat lie. You either do it right, or you don't do it at all.

Bishop Six, on 09 April 2019 - 01:16 AM, said:

Still they are already testing the new matchmaker metric, so they can later implement the new MM when it is the time.

No they aren't. "The time" is five years ago.

[Bishop Six]

PhoenixFire55, on 09 April 2019 - 01:22 AM, said:

What is the point in changing the matchmaker from one that doesn't work or doesn't exist to the one that doesn't work either?
I've heard "it'll be addressed later" countless times, and every single time it was a fat lie. You either do it right, or you don't do it at all.


No they aren't. "The time" is five years ago.

I am no developer but i just see the new progress positive and i hope it will make FP better.

As i started last year to demand work on FP everybody said to me "its too late. meh. PGI failed."

Well maybe. But it is what it is and now we are here, in 2019 and ButPaul tries to improve FP.

Just lets focus on that. If he make this PTS, he has obviously a good reason to test these things.

So our job is easy: Play PTS, answer his questions as good as you can and hope with the others of us that this will leasd into a better FP. So no need to use this Thread for non relevant statements. We all know these stories.

Edited by Bishop Six, 09 April 2019 - 01:38 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

Bishop Six, on 09 April 2019 - 12:54 AM, said:

Especially because of the different time zones. Its is like NA people have 6 hours of Scouting, then starts the Asian Peak time and the mode switches to, lets say, Assault.
So the Americans would scout for 6 hours that the Asian can play 6 hours Assault? I dont think that the people will like this.

Xaat Xuun, on 09 April 2019 - 12:00 AM, said:

OOoooh, late now, been in Queue a long long time, out of scouting, an now the phase is Assault, I won't be around for Phase 3, I'll be sleeping, then when I do get back online, it'll be back on Phase one ,. . Scouting .. that's just not going to work, at least for me, always being stuck doing Scouting if i want to do faction, eeewwweee

He already said it would change up depending on the event. It wouldn't be the same every week.

Paul Inouye, on 08 April 2019 - 04:24 PM, said:

Yes.. the story is supposed to indicate the game mode. For example, if the story was about flipping a planet, the last phase would probably be Siege. If the story was about subterfuge, the first phase would probably be intel collection in Scouting.

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Why don't you ask paul to improve scouting so people would want to play it....

Edited by Monkey Lover, 09 April 2019 - 02:01 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Bishop Six, on 09 April 2019 - 01:37 AM, said:

Well maybe. But it is what it is and now we are here, in 2019 and ButPaul tries to improve FP.

Which part of that is "trying"?

Bishop Six, on 09 April 2019 - 01:37 AM, said:

So no need to use this Thread for non relevant statements. We all know these stories.

The very first post in this thread is non-relevant. Everything else is just a proper reaction.

Do me a favor. Whiteknight someone else. I'm done talking to the likes of you after doing it for six years here. Eventually you all change your opinion. Every. Single. One.

[Hanky Spam]

I hope that the first phase, scouting mode won't make it onto the productive servers.
It's a very bad game design decision and it will kill off the remaining FP population if you enforce this decision.

Scouting needs to be run parallel to invasion as it is the current status quo...

[denAirwalkerrr]

RJF Volkodav, on 09 April 2019 - 01:19 AM, said:

So whats the logic to implement matchmaker based on broken system now? Just to implement something even if it wont work? It would be much better to focus on minor positive updates instead of making everything at once and nothing working as intended.

Only explanation to fix both together since they’ll be based on same value.

[RJF Volkodav]

denAirwalkerrr, on 09 April 2019 - 01:54 AM, said:

Only explanation to fix both together since they’ll be based on same value.

both together you say...

Paul Inouye, on 08 April 2019 - 03:12 PM, said:

Elo and Tiers will have to be addressed at a later time.

[Ignatius Audene]

Pls dont force us to play scouting

[denAirwalkerrr]

RJF Volkodav, on 09 April 2019 - 02:10 AM, said:

both together you say...

Yes, now it’s as useless as matchmaker and rather then seeing it implemented here I’d rather used development time to fix QP PSR first and then add it to FP. Not that it will matter because groups locking lobbies already have priority and I doubt there are more then two games starting simultaneously even in 2-3 minutes.

Edited by denAirwalkerrr, 09 April 2019 - 02:37 AM.

[ImperialKnight]

no one playing, couldn't get any games. cancelling matchmaking hangs the client. hmmm......

[Rustyhammer]

Did not get a game, just have a few comments about story mode & new UI

1. Make mercenaries faction-less and use them as queue fillers. If someone decide being loyalist for duration of the conflict, give them additional rewards at the end of the conflict regardless if their side win or lose. I.e have some baseline rewards for everyone, and additional rewards for loyalist on winning and losing sides. But please leave mercenaries flexible enough to fix population imbalances. DO NOT lock everyone into a particular faction or the population imbalance will kill the FP queue.

Lots of FP regulars play cause they like FP, not because of rewards.


2. Being locked into a single gamemode is really bad. Please keep both scouting and invasion queues active at the same time. Do not force a particular mode like assault or conquest for several hours. And don't even think of locking players into incursion - that will kill FP queue better than Long Tom.

Maybe, make scouting provide same bonuses as now and make story mode development only affecting the end rewards. Or make winning/losing to impact some other aspects of the game, i.e who will get defense side on invasion maps, etc.

Current separate 4v4 & 12v12 queues and random gamemodes are better than the proposed restrictions.

3. I really hope PSR is just a placeholder for the proper metric. If not, then don't even spend your time on MM update cause it will be pointless.

4. Conflict side selection menu is confusing and should be build properly.
5. Queue timer is beyond annoying and must be reworked.

[Sigmar Sich]

As much as i like scouting, it should always be by choice, not forced.

Also i'm not sure about a single game mode for what would be a whole day for most of the players.
I believe you should add sub-phases into the system - technically the same phases, just without moving a story forward, but only to change a mode within a couple of hours.

And i really hope ELO=PSR is just a placeholder to make PTS go ASAP. Please remove the upward bias in PSR.
Do you keep results of every game we played? I think you do, since we have statistics. So by having match score for every game we played, you can recalculate the PSR by the new rules. Or just assign it anew by the average match score.

[Bishop Six]

So im on PTS with 2 other strangers and we are waiting for some more plebs.

Edit:
im doing 1st time PTS. These 2.000.000 MCs...can i buy mechs from it for my testing account and level them up in PTS?

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Edited by Bishop Six, 09 April 2019 - 03:22 AM.

[Sjorpha]

I really appreciate Faction Play getting attention, and I appreciate that Paul is interacting with the community as well.

I think the matchmaker idea is solid, testing it on a PTS may be difficult because no matchmaker in the world can solve a small population problem, but the concept of building teams around the largest and strongest groups is really good.

PSR is terrible but it seems Paul is aware of that and is using it now because it's basically the only thing he has to work with, I'm ok with that for now and I hope a real ELO rating is coming.

Forcing people to play the same game mode for hours is a really bad idea though, regardless of which game mode it is. It's especially bad in the case of scouting as that would prevent units from dropping as large groups when it suits their shedule, but it's pretty bad with any mode because I wouldn't want to play the same mode more than a couple matches in a row anyways. Please reconsider this model and find a way to diversify the game modes at all times within the context of the storylines.

I'm ok with the storylines concept, it could work if the above gamemode problem is solved, but I'm worried that you won't be able to keep the quality of storylines up with FP going day after day. The system needs to be able to operate unsupervised IMO.

But a big problem with going in this direction is the complete lack of player influence.

Community warfare was supposed to be a framework for player and unit driven warfare, we are supposed to be the ones taking initiative to start conflicts, take over planets and influence what out faction does. That was the main selling point of Community warfare, we had some of it in phase 2 and most of the units and players in CW was hoping for more of it rather than less, but now that element of the game is completely gone, not just from the gamemode but also from the development vision. That is actually very sad to see.

[Lances107]

I am not sure how to look at this. If we can only choose two factions that are up for a phase then the factions cease completely. In which case I have no interest at all in faction play. This being said if this is only for pts. Meaning if when it goes my unit and myself can remain Jade falcon loyalists. Then I dont see a problem. My point is right now this making faction play look very generic.