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[Prototelis]

Pushing when there isn't a clear advantage is just dumb.

[GuardDogg]

Wil McCullough, on 16 April 2019 - 07:56 PM, said:

Looks like you are unwilling to take advice and insist on continuing playing the way you do. Then deal with the salt.

I took enough. Furthermore. This is not about me, my builds or my accomplishments. So drop it. The topic is why blame assault pilots on the impossible. Like to be center, or at a grid at the same time and other issues. I am not the only one who feels the impossible. Been said, many times.

Edited by GuardDogg, 16 April 2019 - 09:05 PM.

[Prototelis]

GuardDogg, on 16 April 2019 - 09:02 PM, said:

I took enough. Furthermore. This is not about me, my builds or my accomplishments.

This thread absolutely is about you and the things you do that drive losses. There are some very basic things about the game you don't understand, and its P. clear you have no intention of learning.

A 39KPH assault is bad. If you think it isn't than there is a strong chance most of your builds are bad.

Edited by Prototelis, 16 April 2019 - 09:08 PM.

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 16 April 2019 - 09:06 PM, said:

This thread absolutely is about you and the things you do that drive losses. There are some very basic things about the game you don't understand, and its P. clear you have no intention of learning.

A 39KPH assault is bad. If you think it isn't than there is a strong chance most of your builds are bad.

It was, but more about why Assaults have to do the impossible. Blamed for other pilots failures.

[Wil McCullough]

GuardDogg, on 16 April 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:

Exactly. I have mostly Assault brawlers that can kick butt. That I have to give em up, because I am suppose to be at a location (center) at the very exact time as a light/Medium mech. ("Why are those assaults not here yet?, why are those assaults so slow?"), and now told to chance engine size from the slowest to a faster, or it is a crappy build. Like changing my original 1969 Mustang muscle car engine to a dragster big block. No..

With your stats you're very far from kicking butt dude. In fact, it seems the opposite. You're getting your butt kicked every match by everyone. You only survive one in 10 matches and kill less mechs than you die. 70% of pilots do better than you. Your stats show you're actually a detriment to your team. If this were an actual professional sport, teams would pay you to play against them if they could.

Also, brawly assaults don't move at 39kph for the simple reason that they need to be in front. Brawly assaults prioritize decent speed, good amounts of armor, good heat management and burst damage. You need speed to capitalize on pushing through enemies before they can break off and regroup. You need good armor (and preferably a dead side like in the case of the atlas and king crab) to lead the push as long as you can. You need good heat management so that you can keep alpha-ing your weapons once they cool down and you need burst damage so you can twist to spread damage.

You don't have brawly assaults. What you have is a slow weapons platform with bad range. If you're gonna go at 39 kph, you should at least bring long range weapons so you can contribute to the fight from the second line. Like a quad gauss anni. Even then, there will be assaults like dakka dire, kodiak and the laser/gauss vomit mciic that will do the job better while moving faster as well.

Stop defending your poor choices, start listening to the people here giving you good advice and get good. You want to stop getting grief in-game, that's what you should do. No one will ***** and moan about you being in zimbabwe when you kill 4 enemies every match and deal 700 damage.

If you watch proton's stream that xiphias linked, pay close attention to his minimap, how he moves, where he moves and when he does it. The guy is a master when it comes to applying damage but what is more incredible about proton is how he uses movement to ensure he can keep applying that damage throughout the match. Very rarely do you see him on the flanks or trailing behind his team even when in slow assaults. He watches enemy movements, predicts where they will be and cuts corners to position himself near the middle of the team where the engagement will take place.

Want to bring a 39kph machine to qp? That's what you have to do.

[GuardDogg]

Wil McCullough, on 16 April 2019 - 09:30 PM, said:

With your stats you're very far from kicking butt dude. In fact, it seems the opposite. You're getting your butt kicked every match by everyone. You only survive one in 10 matches and kill less mechs than you die. 70% of pilots do better than you. Your stats show you're actually a detriment to your team. If this were an actual professional sport, teams would pay you to play against them if they could.

Also, brawly assaults don't move at 39kph for the simple reason that they need to be in front. Brawly assaults prioritize decent speed, good amounts of armor, good heat management and burst damage. You need speed to capitalize on pushing through enemies before they can break off and regroup. You need good armor (and preferably a dead side like in the case of the atlas and king crab) to lead the push as long as you can. You need good heat management so that you can keep alpha-ing your weapons once they cool down and you need burst damage so you can twist to spread damage.

You don't have brawly assaults. What you have is a slow weapons platform with bad range. If you're gonna go at 39 kph, you should at least bring long range weapons so you can contribute to the fight from the second line. Like a quad gauss anni. Even then, there will be assaults like dakka dire, kodiak and the laser/gauss vomit mciic that will do the job better while moving faster as well.

Stop defending your poor choices, start listening to the people here giving you good advice and get good. You want to stop getting grief in-game, that's what you should do. No one will ***** and moan about you being in zimbabwe when you kill 4 enemies every match and deal 700 damage.

If you watch proton's stream that xiphias linked, pay close attention to his minimap, how he moves, where he moves and when he does it. The guy is a master when it comes to applying damage but what is more incredible about proton is how he uses movement to ensure he can keep applying that damage throughout the match. Very rarely do you see him on the flanks or trailing behind his team even when in slow assaults. He watches enemy movements, predicts where they will be and cuts corners to position himself near the middle of the team where the engagement will take place.

Want to bring a 39kph machine to qp? That's what you have to do.

Give it up. FFS, what do you want?

Was just in a round. Guess what came out today? Marauder 2s. (the 100 tonners). Lots of rounds with the new mechs. Like in two lances of Assaults. Hearing one guy. We lost because the assaults were not here yet. Really?

[Wil McCullough]

GuardDogg, on 16 April 2019 - 09:10 PM, said:

It was, but more about why Assaults have to do the impossible. Blamed for other pilots failures.

Watch good assault players play and ask yourself again how it's impossible. Assault pilots in this very thread are telling you it's very possible and telling you how to do it. You're refusing to listen. There's a video link to proton's twitch in this very thread where the first match shows him literally breathing down a friendly stormcrow's neck.

[Wil McCullough]

GuardDogg, on 16 April 2019 - 09:35 PM, said:

Give it up. FFS, what do you want?

For you to quit whinging like a 6 year old. That's what i want.

What do YOU want? For people to pat you on the shoulder and say "yeah bro i know bro, those 5ppc ravens really are op bro"?

[Prototelis]

Don't bring a 38KPH assault. That **** is not and should not be viable.

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 16 April 2019 - 09:43 PM, said:

Don't bring a 38KPH assault. That **** is not and should not be viable.

Why, so now pilots have to give their 160 firepower, or 250 for your pleasure?

[FRAGTAST1C]

If you want to brawl, don't be slow. Doesn't matter which weight class mech you're piloting. Speed and burst damage is key in brawling. Why speed? 'Cause you need to circle around your target and stay out of their alpha strikes in a way that you can splash all the damage instead of having one your components blown off.

A brawling assault should almost never be running below 58kph. I'm talking 80+ tonners. 58 is bare minimum. If you observe carefully, trying to run across the enemy flanks at anything below 68 kph is painful, literally (components being blow off). So, if you put that into perspective when talking about Assaults, who are bullet magnets, brawling while running slow is just not logical. Annihilators with their LBXs and moving at 48kph aren't actually brawling. They're more like mobile gun platforms that will blow open the firing line while the team mates take advantage of it (which happens very rarely in solo QP). So, there's a false sense that brawling means just walking into enemies and firing your weapons.

Brawling means flanking and taking out components with quick burst of damage. This works when you're moving fast. An Atlas with AC 20 and MRM 60 can brawl while running at 58kph ONLY when the enemies are focused elsewhere. But if that Atlas is the first mech to show itself to the enemies, it's dead. Just plain dead.

[Prototelis]

GuardDogg, on 16 April 2019 - 09:47 PM, said:

Why, so now pilots have to give their 160 firepower, or 250 for your pleasure?

Wat.

[GuardDogg]

Wil McCullough, on 16 April 2019 - 09:39 PM, said:

For you to quit whinging like a 6 year old. That's what i want.

What do YOU want? For people to pat you on the shoulder and say "yeah bro i know bro, those 5ppc ravens really are op bro"?

You done? Okay now? Go get some MWO.

[Prototelis]

FWIW, you might be able to get some MWO if you didn't purposely field bad builds.

If you want to be a slow brawly, try 4x LB10. It moves a good 12kph faster.

Edited by Prototelis, 16 April 2019 - 10:13 PM.

[Wil McCullough]

GuardDogg, on 16 April 2019 - 10:11 PM, said:

You done? Okay now? Go get some MWO.

Well, can't say i didn't to be polite at first, mr i-saw-a-5ppc-raven lol.

[GuardDogg]

Wil McCullough, on 16 April 2019 - 10:19 PM, said:

Well, can't say i didn't to be polite at first, mr i-saw-a-5ppc-raven lol.

Well I have. Sorry to burst your bubble (dunno why I brought that up, but to point out lights are tougher than assaults in MWO). Like I said. Looked like a hack. Because it is impossible. All of us questioned it at the time. Never saw the player again. And MWO has changed since then to. Man, you sound like one angry dude. Wouldn't want to be around you.

Edited by GuardDogg, 16 April 2019 - 10:55 PM.

[YueFei]

Xiphias, on 16 April 2019 - 06:11 AM, said:

Positioning matters a lot, even in solo queue. You're confusing "positions" with "positioning".

"Positions" are locations on the map that are stronger than others, in solo queue you can't always use these due to your team.

"Positioning" is where your mech is relative to the terrain, to your team, and to the enemy team. You can still have good positioning when moving through bad positions. Positioning is not getting isolated and being able to engage enemies from the side or in small numbers. It's absolutely essential in every game. Good positioning is dynamic and changes every game based on how your team and the enemy team moves. What is good positioning in one match is bad positioning in another, that's why people that run to the "best position", refuse to move, and die alone don't have good positioning. They aren't adapting to the way the game is going.

Good positioning is adaptive and active.

OMG, so much this. Sooooo much this.

Sometimes the difference between good positioning and bad positioning can be as little as 30 meters.

I've tried to share knowledge with other players about the trick of perspective and cornering, and the way that you can see the enemy before he sees you if you're farther from the corner than he is. Not only does it make sense to "slice" around a corner so that you can avoid exposing yourself instantly to multiple enemies at the same time, it even applies in a 1 on 1 situation.

Hell, if you do it right, and the opponent is just passively sitting there, you can position so that you can see and shoot him, and he can't see you at all.

But even now, too many players hug cover too tightly, which not only blocks their sight lines, but makes it so that when they do try to peek, it all but guarantees that any enemy that's looking in their direction will be able to see and hit them first, before they can clear the corner enough to see and shoot back.

[Wil McCullough]

GuardDogg, on 16 April 2019 - 10:47 PM, said:

Well I have. Sorry to burst your bubble. Like I said. Looked like a hack. Because it is impossible. All of us questioned it at the time. Never saw the player again. And MWO has changed since then to. Man, you sound like one angry dude. Wouldn't want to be around you.

I'm not angry in the least lol. It find you amusing actually. Why do you think i'll be angry? I have no dog in this race. It's not like giving you advice increases my stats, you know.

[Jackal Noble]

Koniving, on 14 April 2019 - 11:34 AM, said:

The assault class is only bad if you're going against superior numbers, when foolishly abandoned and/or alone, or if very poorly equipped. If you're having problems with them, perhaps it should be re-evaluated how you're playing with them. I only really have an issue with them when I come around a corner and find 5 enemies all simultaineously aiming at me.

Sometimes I still make it.


But often I don't.

That's just from being very stupid and deliberately seeking my own glory by flanking enemies by myself and then getting caught off guard by a larger than expected force. That's not the fault of the assault class.

Why do you always post material from like 3-5 years ago?

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 16 April 2019 - 10:13 PM, said:

FWIW, you might be able to get some MWO if you didn't purposely field bad builds.

If you want to be a slow brawly, try 4x LB10. It moves a good 12kph faster.

Yes, I have that build on a Fanfir.