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[Xetelian]

Imperius, on 02 June 2019 - 05:28 AM, said:

I stopped buying mechs after the engine decoupling. Except the ones I promised I’d buy if released.

I basically I felt there was going to be no investment into MWO’s future after the MW5 announcement either. There was no talk of porting MWO to a new game engine. Add the fact the nerfs to my only 2-3 mechs I played and their play styles that was acceptable for 2-3+ years was a huge factor. Didn’t enjoy playing the game anymore and saw no future into it. So I stopped paying money.

I’m not going to MechCon this year either. I went every year since it started. This time I just don’t feel like spending $1500 on travel expenses just to chit chat very briefly with the developers. The PGI tour was done before my flight had landed and I didn’t get to go. They put the schedule out way too late for me to change anything. Even after I kept asking for more details.

So in summary there are just far too many tiny mistakes that have left a big negative in my attitude. I had fun at the cons, the staff was always respectful, but the mis-managing of lots of things has built up and left me feeling disappointed.

I’m buying MW5 but that’s about it. I even stopped attending the AMA’s because I felt the answers were often too generic or the good questions were skipped over. The discord has also been a discussion place for MWO. Which is what we have the forums for. So I’ve blocked a lot of people and then just finally muted the server and only periodically check the Monday photo drops. Basically why have a mw5 server if MWO is what’s discussed in it?

End rant

When even 'The Devoted' doesn't want to open their wallet, people who have multiple gold mechs, I can't imagine this game staying a float.

I used to set aside 20$ of my limited budget and buy a mech pack, it was my joy, but the engine de-sync and the NSR killed that joy.


I bought 3 high end steam packs, and they only count as MC for anniversary rewards.

I wanted the custom Linebacker and Night Gyr but just don't have that kind of money.

I did get my 30% cBill bonus missile urbie (which isn't great) and the year of the KDK release I got the HBR. That was before you needed to spend 80$ When buying 20$ in the first month and then upgrading to collectors the next month was all you need for a good clan mech.


The need to buy two high end clan packs, which buying 4 standard packs doesn't count, came to be I felt cheated too.

Edited by Xetelian, 02 June 2019 - 03:25 PM.

[Roland09]

I tended to buy mechs for faction warfare; I am a Kurita loyalist.

[Colonel Jaime Wolf]

I stopped buying and playing when the ping for my native SEA server jumped from 50 to 300.

I was playing since closed beta and remember 250 ping on a singer server.

and this started right before solaris. so until it gets better I'll remain staying out. too bad, I used to play every single night since closed. wow

founder here. I saw it all. I remember Sarah's Jenner, when The B33f was new too. he's a swell guy. I still watch him, when we only had a few maps and mechs could fall down.



oh, and I've been messaging PGI like forever about this but got zero replies hahahaha

why am I here? spark of hope? I dunno.

Edited by Colonel Jaime Wolf, 02 June 2019 - 03:53 PM.

[Clownwarlord]

I did and at times still enjoy this game, and I do think MWO still has potential; but under PGI I do not have confidence they will ever bring this game back.

[HauptmanT]

Why did I stop buying mech packs...

Well... I do occasionally think about buying one but...


1- I've spent the past few months playing Rust. Not spending money on a game I wasnt playing. However I'm back to MWO for now, just put 30 days of premium time in and got a few champions on sale. They just got 15 more of my dollars with the current sale.

2- mech packs dont take steam bucks. It's a pain in the *** for me to get their packs. If they sold em through steam, I'd be tempted to buy more. But they dont, so I cant without getting neighbors involved. As I live a bankless, debt free, cash only lifestyle.

3- I've got 150 mechs already. When I bought the Kodiak pack as a newb it was a huge deal to me in game, I got 4 assault mechs when I was a poor scrub. Doubled my stable. However, now I have probably 30 mechs I havent even used in a game yet. Double xp is nice to run those mechs finally, but there is so many I had to chose maybe 10 of them to get xped up... and the thought of adding more just doesnt make sense. The grind is too slow for a new pack of mechs every month to be viable.

The mech packs are a great deal. I would buy more if it was easier for me to do. 4 mechs and 30 days of premium time for $30 is totally repectable, and I dont mind in the slightest. Just wont be every single month, and the mechs need to interest me.

[RickySpanish]

I personally haven't, it's just that previously I didn't really have the spare cash even among leisure activities, since virtual anything for cash is low on my priority list vs more practical things. But I did buy the VGL and RFL IIC packs, but I am not going to buy something that obviously blows like any of the extra Mad 2 variants.

[Xetelian]

HauptmanT, on 02 June 2019 - 05:47 PM, said:

Why did I stop buying mech packs...

Well... I do occasionally think about buying one but...


1- I've spent the past few months playing Rust. Not spending money on a game I wasnt playing. However I'm back to MWO for now, just put 30 days of premium time in and got a few champions on sale. They just got 15 more of my dollars with the current sale.

2- mech packs dont take steam bucks. It's a pain in the *** for me to get their packs. If they sold em through steam, I'd be tempted to buy more. But they dont, so I cant without getting neighbors involved. As I live a bankless, debt free, cash only lifestyle.

3- I've got 150 mechs already. When I bought the Kodiak pack as a newb it was a huge deal to me in game, I got 4 assault mechs when I was a poor scrub. Doubled my stable. However, now I have probably 30 mechs I havent even used in a game yet. Double xp is nice to run those mechs finally, but there is so many I had to chose maybe 10 of them to get xped up... and the thought of adding more just doesnt make sense. The grind is too slow for a new pack of mechs every month to be viable.

The mech packs are a great deal. I would buy more if it was easier for me to do. 4 mechs and 30 days of premium time for $30 is totally repectable, and I dont mind in the slightest. Just wont be every single month, and the mechs need to interest me.

I get steam gift cards for birthdays, holidays, and anniversary, if they offered mechpaks on Steam I'd own twice as many if not more.

[VitriolicViolet]

i bought a lot of mechs and MC until the Long Tom incident. after that i really slowed down and until the Corsair i hadnt spent money in a long long time. i bought it because it looks fantastic.

but basically the main reason was i wasnt happy with how things were going.
The Long Tom was a huge dent in my interest.
Black knight mega nerfs werent great (partly needed but still)
Rescale made the Knight even worse and messed up the Zeus
ML nerfs were bizarre and one of the worst weapon nerfs i can think of

[TheArisen]

VitriolicViolet, on 02 June 2019 - 08:31 PM, said:

i bought a lot of mechs and MC until the Long Tom incident. after that i really slowed down and until the Corsair i hadnt spent money in a long long time. i bought it because it looks fantastic.

but basically the main reason was i wasnt happy with how things were going.
The Long Tom was a huge dent in my interest.
Black knight mega nerfs werent great (partly needed but still)
Rescale made the Knight even worse and messed up the Zeus
ML nerfs were bizarre and one of the worst weapon nerfs i can think of

MPL Black Knight is a beast though right now.

[Khobai]

I stopped buying mechpacks because theres literally no reason to when you can buy them for cbills later

It was always a terrible business model that was destined to fail.

[Anjian]

Simply said, bad hit boxes.

[Moebius Pi]

Too much effort to type out the essay length **** required to explain why I stopped buying over a year and a half ago, but we'll smatter a bit of "Long Tom" "minimal development of CW/FP" "Solaris focus" and a shitload of other reasons.
Basically, PGI doing what PGI does.

When they let slip they didn't even expect it to last 4 years (and the amount of development that occurred within that time frame, and then what happened afterwards...)it pretty much set the tone of any realistic expectations to have for tossing money their way.

[Hoshi Toranaga]

First a little about me:
I am an avid Battletech Fan. I have read all the books at least twice and some of them 10 times or more. I play Tabletop since it came out, I play Alpha Strike when I get the chance and I have a shitload of miniatures, some of the collectors items and very rare. I played every Battletech game and am an MWO Founder.
In MWO I have well over 150 mechs and most of them are bought through packs and a mere minority through C-Bills.

The thing that PGI does not get is that MWO fans are passionate and do not always need things to change or be OP. But we got a balancing act over a balancing act over a balancing act. There were times where the game was actually balanced, but some shmoe cried to loud and it got re-balanced and screwed again.
Then we have new mechs that PGI does no longer care about. Size and hitboxes are out the window. The classic Warhammer has 10 times better hitboxes than the IIC and that could have been a copy paste job.

Now when PGI listens they listen to whiners on this forum to re-balance thing A or B, but they never listen to the BT fans who give suggestions.
There have been suggestions to re-vamp faction play that were simply amazing (not counting my own) and the re-vamp we got is total ********. This storyline crap is total bogus and now you being a loyalist not even gets you a tag anymore? This system could have been so great had you picked up one of the (free of charge) suggestions, some of them I think much easier to implement than the **** we got.

Maps: that was an issue for a long time. No new maps. BT even tabletop is made to enjoy new maps and terrain and find new things and new tactics as the environment is so different. And what do we get? Another stone map with some weird bridges and that Solaris crap that is so badly done and badly optimized that it freaks out your 2k gaming rig that runs Battlefield with 200 frames at Ultimate settings.

With all that you loose your playerbase, so that playing with random PUGS you want to tear your eyes out they play so bad (sure cause most are just "looking in") and your clan shrinks so small you cannot get 12 peeps. If you get 12 peeps you steamroll randoms or you wait for a match for 20 min and give up.

So to sum it up: Missmanagement lead to this, deal with it. No longer buying any of it and only playing for nostalgic reasons rarely.

[Black Ivan]

I mainly stopped after PGI released the lackluster Solaris and all the dart board balancing that lead nowhere. Killing Mechs like the Kodiak also did not help

[GoodTry]

Black Ivan, on 03 June 2019 - 05:02 AM, said:

I mainly stopped after PGI released the lackluster Solaris

I think the Solaris release was an emperor-has-no-clothes moment for a lot of people. They really showed that, even though they have an excellent art team, they don't actually know how to make a good game.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Honestly I cut my buying down by 1/2-2/3’s after skill tree dropped. Ironically, it wasn’t because I really hated skill tree( it was a massive pain initially , but I got used to it).

There are plenty of accurate bad/lack of development reasons listed by many here... the one change where I believe PGI reallly shot themselves (money-wise) in the foot though was when they dropped “the rule of 3, for mastery” (with skill tree implemented). I had a much lower bar for $-purchase prior to that change. The idea of having to own and level 2 garbage-variants (many basic 3-packs might only have 1 good mech in them), was always repulsive.....but before I became giga-space rich (also at skill tree) I needed those 2 garbage mechs to make the 1 good mech, the best it could be. So, I spent loads of c-bills and time on mechs I didn’t like. And as I was much poorer from doing all this, I did pony up $ on any basic pack that looked like it might have one really good mech in it. Now I can just wait and forgo getting 2 mechs I don’t want to get the one mech I do want. I don’t think keeping the rule of 3 would have been the best solution to keep mechpack sales up. But they could have at minimum put skill points or a bunch of Gxp...in the pre-orders since skill tree. Plus they probably should have doubled the time till mechs were out for c-bills. Having to wait a year or so for a mech you wanted would motivate me to take a few more chances. Again, I like free-to-play as much as the next guy....but PGI (dumb as they are) needs to keep the servers on, so then not getting revenue kills us (the game dies) and them.....so they need to find some way to monetize if we want the game to continue.

[Scoot]

I stopped buying mech packs for a few reasons

• The change from including banked premium time to live
  
• No longer being required to skill up 3 variants to master
  
• I really don't much like the skill tree system

I realize those last 2 are linked, but I'd much rather go back to the days of having to do the 3 variants and the old skill tree.

[McGoat]

Simply do not need 7 variants when generally 4 are not worth playing.
In most cases (most) the standard packs did not cover the variants that were worth bringing. I think most recently the exception of that is the Vapor Eagle, and possibly the RFL-IIC.

I have supported by purchasing MC at various points, but an actual pak purchase has been some time.

[Racerxintegra2k]

My spending is proportionate to how much fun the game has become in the last 3 years. My spending was high early on and as poor development decisions(Faction play,Engine desync,Resizing,Balance passes,Loyalty destruction) eroded the fun my spending slowed then stopped. Number of mechs is completely irrelevant in my case.

[D A T A]

I stopped buying mech packs because i don't like the way PGI handles weapon balance and mech balance

Edited by D A T A, 03 June 2019 - 07:46 AM.