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[Jackal Noble]

This thread has run it's length.

Time for someone to make a T2 record time video.

Edited by Jackal Noble, 23 October 2019 - 05:31 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Jackal Noble, on 23 October 2019 - 05:31 PM, said:

This thread has run it's length.

Time for someone to make a T2 record time video.

It'll have run its length when the misinformation spreaders, stop, spreading misinformation.

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Edited by draiocht, 25 October 2019 - 11:23 AM.
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[PhoenixFire55]

justcallme A S H, on 23 October 2019 - 09:59 PM, said:

It'll have run its length when the misinformation spreaders, stop, spreading misinformation.

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Hey, they unbanned me today too. High-5!

Edited by draiocht, 25 October 2019 - 11:22 AM.
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[H I A S]

dario03, on 15 October 2019 - 10:49 AM, said:

I've seen it done in 3 matches and heard it was possible to do in 2. That was years ago though, so good to know there hasn't been any changes.

Did it in 3 Games of playing Triallolcust and was 1/4 into Tier3.

[thievingmagpi]

I've run out of email addresses to make alts. How am I ever gonna make a 1 MG Atlas account now??????

[Y E O N N E]

GuardDogg, on 16 October 2019 - 07:03 PM, said:

Like you are saying, and it is a proven fact, that taking 2 days to make it to teir 1, those players are professionals, and no nothing of the game. Than those who took about 2-3 years, have no experience, do not deserve to be there. Because that is what you are saying.

Players who were able to get into Tier 1 quickly know far more of the game than people who took 2 to 3 years to get there ever will. The players who got there quickly implicitly already understand how the game plays to a greater degree than the player struggling to move through the tiers. Why? To advance quickly, you have to play very well and, to play very well, you have to know how the game works.

Tiers should not be representative of how much time you have spent playing; that's not a useful metric for doing anything in terms of balancing players across teams. Tiers should always be based on player performance so that, if Player A has played for 3 days and Player B has played for 5 years, but Player A can wipe the floor with Player B, then Player A gets placed higher in the rankings so he can be matched against similarly capable players.

However, right now, Tiers don't properly reflect player ability or ability relative to the rest of the game's population. If you get even mediocre scores regularly, you will advance for multiple reasons:

1. Each tier does not represent a fixed percentage of the game's playing population of a relative amount of playing ability measured against the other Tiers; ideally, Tier 1 would always be the top, let's say 5%, of the game, and the performance required to get into Tier 1 would vary based on how well the population performs on average.

2. There are more conditions for gaining PSR than there are for losing it and, when you gain PSR, you gain it at a rate that far exceeds the rate at which you lose PSR when you do lose it.

[GuardDogg]

^^^^
That doesn't make sense.
"Players who were able to get into Tier 1 quickly know far more of the game than people who took 2 to 3 years to get there ever will....."

Edited by GuardDogg, 30 October 2019 - 12:13 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

Makes perfectly logical sense.

[GuardDogg]

justcallme A S H, on 30 October 2019 - 12:14 AM, said:

Makes perfectly logical sense.

So, someone can install the game, get to tier 1 in one week. And they fully understand the "Game" at day 1. Ever think players play differently. Not all the same.

Edited by GuardDogg, 30 October 2019 - 12:20 AM.

[Prototelis]

And someone else can play the game for 3-4 years and not understand anything/far less.

Maybe if you were more open to introspection you'd understand that.

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 30 October 2019 - 12:25 AM, said:

And someone else can play the game for 3-4 years and not understand anything/far less.

Maybe if you were more open to introspection you'd understand that.

Like I said, some play differently. Those who couldn't care about stats and other thing. Only play for fun, and totally understand everything. When they brought that Tier system out. Some were already in T1 day 1, and some T3, and some on T5. I was on T5 day 1. All in the fun. ;-) Not installing a "Game" and concerned about numbers to make it #1 than others, and say after 1 week. I understand MWO!!!! Whoo hoo!! I am the best!, better than those guys.

Edited by GuardDogg, 30 October 2019 - 12:39 AM.

[Prototelis]

And yet you've been all over this thread telling people how you "earned" your tier 1.

Sure thing bud.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

"Differently" here sure means "detrimental, not supporting the teams success"

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 30 October 2019 - 01:05 AM, said:

And yet you've been all over this thread telling people how you "earned" your tier 1.

Sure thing bud.

We all play, earn our ways up differently. Imagine if we all played the same, earned up the same. Wouldn't be any fun. You earned it, others in T1 earned it. Some get to T1 differently than others. Some quicker and some a bit longer. But means nothing. Because the way we play, also personal life gets in the way. All in the fun.

Edited by GuardDogg, 30 October 2019 - 01:37 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

GuardDogg, on 30 October 2019 - 12:16 AM, said:

So, someone can install the game, get to tier 1 in one week. And they fully understand the "Game" at day 1. Ever think players play differently. Not all the same.

If they can make it to Tier 1 one in a week then they are extremely gifted.

To make it there, that fast, as a new player you obviously have a high aptitude or did your homework.

That said - it's extremely rare for that to happen. The most recent that comes to mind was UnPhased. New streamer last year and was Tier 1 performing inside of 2-3 months. He got excellent advice from the start from pros. Didn't read the forums and absorb any of the misinformation spread by a significant number if users (or other low-skill streamers). Quite literally got gud in no time. He has a FPS mindset/background so wasn't hard to pickup.

His game knowledge, map, aiming was so far above people in 600 matches compared to people that have played 6,000 - it just goes to show you how broken PSR is. He would DUNK on those 6,000 game "Tier 1" players because Tier MEANS NOTHING about your understanding or skill in MWO. It just means you play a lot. Hell you don't even have to WIN a lot. You can lose more often and you win, still make Tier 1 - as we have stated to you many times.

So yes, YEONNE is absolutely correct and logical in his statement.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 30 October 2019 - 03:55 AM.

[Mystere]

Y E O N N E, on 29 October 2019 - 07:01 PM, said:

Players who were able to get into Tier 1 quickly know far more of the game than people who took 2 to 3 years to get there ever will.

I will not be so quick on that point if I were you.

You have heard of slow learners, right? I've seen more than enough of those folks eventually better the "fast ones" to know you are mistaken.

[GuardDogg]

justcallme A S H, on 30 October 2019 - 03:54 AM, said:

If they can make it to Tier 1 one in a week then they are extremely gifted.

To make it there, that fast, as a new player you obviously have a high aptitude or did your homework.

That said - it's extremely rare for that to happen. The most recent that comes to mind was UnPhased. New streamer last year and was Tier 1 performing inside of 2-3 months. He got excellent advice from the start from pros. Didn't read the forums and absorb any of the misinformation spread by a significant number if users (or other low-skill streamers). Quite literally got gud in no time. He has a FPS mindset/background so wasn't hard to pickup.

His game knowledge, map, aiming was so far above people in 600 matches compared to people that have played 6,000 - it just goes to show you how broken PSR is. He would DUNK on those 6,000 game "Tier 1" players because Tier MEANS NOTHING about your understanding or skill in MWO. It just means you play a lot. Hell you don't even have to WIN a lot. You can lose more often and you win, still make Tier 1 - as we have stated to you many times.

So yes, YEONNE is absolutely correct and logical in his statement.

Their is personal life to consider (Job, family, health (hospitalized or family member hospitalized), and more), and how other play differently. Also, computer requirements. Some go away, and play something else, then come back. Some do not have top PC's. Their is a lot of factors to consider how they move up the ladder. It is called life.

Edited by GuardDogg, 30 October 2019 - 09:24 AM.

[Willard Phule]

The fact that you ultimately found a way to "game the system" implies...and seems to prove...that there is,in fact, a system to be gamed.

Look, I use the term "Tier 5" in the most derogatory way possible when I use it. I don't really care what "Tier" PGI has declared someone, I just wonder how anyone in a trial mech with the tag "Cadet" gets into matches with anyone that averages more than a 250 match score.

I get how the matchmaker loosens up over time to keep matches going, but seriously? For this to happen as regularly as it does, something in the system is broken. Either the whole PSR/ELO thing or the matchmaker itself. My money is on the matchmaker, since it's never worked before.

[Prototelis]

Matchmaker does exactly what it is supposed to do, the criteria it uses is hilariously broken.

[Vxheous]

Willard Phule, on 30 October 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

The fact that you ultimately found a way to "game the system" implies...and seems to prove...that there is,in fact, a system to be gamed.

Look, I use the term "Tier 5" in the most derogatory way possible when I use it. I don't really care what "Tier" PGI has declared someone, I just wonder how anyone in a trial mech with the tag "Cadet" gets into matches with anyone that averages more than a 250 match score.

I get how the matchmaker loosens up over time to keep matches going, but seriously? For this to happen as regularly as it does, something in the system is broken. Either the whole PSR/ELO thing or the matchmaker itself. My money is on the matchmaker, since it's never worked before.

What if that "Cadet" averages 350-400 match score, and hit tier 3 before the cadet period is over? There's no wonder then