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[Brain Cancer]

ShooteyMcShooterson, on 28 April 2020 - 06:43 PM, said:

One thing already clear is that derpy 3-4 mans can ruin the match for everyone else. Like say clowns dropping in xl lrm boat assaults.

Many of those groups are actually doing it just to show how much they can still carry a match. A lot that lurmlancing I was posted was precisely that. Heck, even the comp players were doing it for some matches for much the same reason.

[Tranderas]

Brain Cancer, on 28 April 2020 - 07:01 PM, said:

Many of those groups are actually doing it just to show how much they can still carry a match. A lot that lurmlancing I was posted was precisely that. Heck, even the comp players were doing it for some matches for much the same reason.

There was a time last year when b33f and gang ran a 12 man group of LRMs to show how broken they are. Chris responded by buffing them 5 times in a row after the demonstration.

[IanDresarie]

Giving some more feedback after playing 6h:
It was AMAZING! to play with my friends.
The games felt even better balanced than before, only 1 or 2 proper stomps during this time, mostly 12-8 or closer.
Communication with randoms was above and beyond what I'm used to, mostly because so many retired players cam back. And it was good to see some very old familiar names!

Opinion right now: Giant Success! (from a casual perspective)

Now to see how it develops the coming days with dropping numbers.

[Tahawus]

Tranderas, on 28 April 2020 - 06:56 PM, said:

Tier MM has been off for over a year.

Calling bull. Unless you can prove it with a post from a reputable source.

Anecdotal evidence from this past weekend. I can play three matches seeing familiar names each game as a tier 1, then sign my son in (tier 4, just moved to 3). He'll get a reasonably consistent set of opponents that differs from me. When I sign back in I'll see the old familiar names.

[crazytimes]

Tranderas, on 28 April 2020 - 06:56 PM, said:

Tier MM has been off for over a year.

I thought it was still doing the 2 tier gap, or at least not putting 5s and 4s in with 1s. Seen plenty of discussion of people trying to synch drop smurfs and it never working until they hit tier 3 at least.

[PotatoCrunch]

I’m actually having a ton of fun playing with my friends, and when I’m solo, things aren’t much different either. My friends and I aren’t good enough to sway the entire match on our own, but we don’t care if we get stomped or not.

Even though it’s all fun, there’s stuff we noticed that may make it more annoying for other ppl. We got matched against a bunch of assaults with 0 assaults on our team, mostly light/med.

I really like this combined queue, even though it’s definitely going to need tweaks here and there to fix some issues.

[Dee Eight]

DAEDALOS513, on 28 April 2020 - 04:38 PM, said:

If you're reading the forums you're also seeing plenty of solo'ers having a great time... it's just that the whiners are usually the more vocal group and so you're seeing their posts more often..

The forums have only ever represented a tiny portion of the actual player base. A lot of players NEVER even post on the forums let alone read them, or even login to the website. Just look at the main forum page... 45 total members and 869 guests online at this moment and a quick look at steam charts (which themselves don't show players who use the MWO portal launcher for the game) and there was 607 users logged into mechwarrior as of 15 mins ago.

crazytimes, on 28 April 2020 - 07:13 PM, said:

I thought it was still doing the 2 tier gap, or at least not putting 5s and 4s in with 1s. Seen plenty of discussion of people trying to synch drop smurfs and it never working until they hit tier 3 at least.

It was up until this merged queue beginning 10 hours ago. Now that's completely turned off.

[Dee Eight]

Brain Cancer, on 28 April 2020 - 06:32 PM, said:

By their powers combined: They are 9 kill planet! (Seriously, good effort no joke.)

Good example of either of two things happening... a group of 3 and of 2 being put together, or a group of 4 and the fifth sync dropped. Ya know reading back over the original announcement... it doesn't actually state that you can't have two 3-person groups (or a 3 and a 2) on the same team, just that the maximum group size is 4 people. Technically 5 people grouped together as a 2-person and 3-person elements is as close to "4 people" as the sorting can make it if there's nothing else to work with at the time.

Edited by Dee Eight, 28 April 2020 - 07:32 PM.

[DAEDALOS513]

Tranderas, on 28 April 2020 - 06:23 PM, said:

So you say stats don't mean anything yet provide a stat to prove your point. When called out for lying about said stat you provide a screenshot... of stats... stats which are only slightly above average, mind, and not at the tier of the players you are claiming to be superior to.

Since you claim stats to be meaningless the only real way to compare skill is to fight against each other. Your refusal to do so is an admission of inability to back your words with action and proof that your play skill is no where near the skill you display in running your mouth on the forums.

If your rather weak screenshots didn't prove it, your words certainly have.

You guys are vicious.. all you guys harping on him have low self esteem and it shows.. all he said was he's having a run of good luck against groups in his light and having some fun.. get a life and leave him alone. I swear the ego on some ppl.

[Tranderas]

DAEDALOS513, on 28 April 2020 - 07:32 PM, said:

You guys are vicious.. all you guys harping on him have low self esteem and it shows.. all he said was he's having a run of good luck against groups in his light and having some fun.. get a life and leave him alone. I swear the ego on some ppl.

He's been cussing us out but we're the ones with the ego? I'm sure you either need to reread or to return to primary school and learn basic reading comprehension.

I don't have a stake in this as I haven't played since my group lost interest in FP. I'm just here enjoying the fireworks.

[V O L T R O N]

Great Job PGI. Thank you. The matches have been good. More strat based and team centered. Quicker drops and learning curves that are good for everyone in the long run. In a heavy peer community game and not having quick group drop it was certainly frustrating. Not everyone had time for just cw. There has been less nascar and you see more people trying lance based tactics. Its fun

[DevinMace]

I am a complete newb, and this has been the most fun day I have had playing since I have returned a few months ago. People pointing out 12-0 and 12-2 matches like that is an unusual thing in QP, sorry to tell you it is not. Matches like that happen just as frequently as 12-10 matches in QP and have for the months I have been back.

All this salt is hilarious, and I have to tell you I have seen just as many 4 man premades lose as I have seen them win, I don't understand why top tier vets are so upset that they will win matches, do you not always win matches?

Finally it is extremely rare that I see the same person more then 1 match in a row or even twice in 4-5 matches, if I get stomped 2 out of 5-6 matches by a premade, then I get stomped, I will still get wins and be on teams that stomp other teams.

So please stop acting like every match is a superstomp now because you are lying, unless you are the top end player winning every match.

[Brain Cancer]

V O L T R O N, on 28 April 2020 - 07:38 PM, said:

Great Job PGI. Thank you. The matches have been good. More strat based and team centered. Quicker drops and learning curves that are good for everyone in the long run. In a heavy peer community game and not having quick group drop it was certainly frustrating. Not everyone had time for just cw. There has been less nascar and you see more people trying lance based tactics. Its fun

https://clips.twitch...sGiraffeWutFace

[L1f3H4ck]

V O L T R O N, on 28 April 2020 - 07:38 PM, said:

Great Job PGI. Thank you. The matches have been good. More strat based and team centered. Quicker drops and learning curves that are good for everyone in the long run. In a heavy peer community game and not having quick group drop it was certainly frustrating. Not everyone had time for just cw. There has been less nascar and you see more people trying lance based tactics. Its fun

I agree, this was an excellent move. I hope it's here to stay.

[RockmachinE]

The fact that an experienced yet mediocre player with average stats simply by posting a few screenshots of decent K/D and calling out "serious" players for not being so good got so many people riled up pretty much speaks for itself.

These scary groups are not so scary at all and the "comp" players who "stomp pugs" and potatoes are not that good either and take themselves way too seriously as is per usual in this community. That's what happens when you derive self worth from your status in a niche online game.

The game is perfectly playable in fact from a solo perspective its a refreshing change from a very stale repetitive game style which developed in the last year in solo q. What kind of impact this will have remains to be seen.

I had lots of fun tonight, also had fun with a classic flamewar on the forums. Just like the good old days. Peace out.

ggez

Edited by Louis Brofist, 28 April 2020 - 08:06 PM.

[Larsh]

Had some time to stream some gameplay, and wanted to place the stats of tonight's match ups from what I had playing with a group.

Game 1 - Assault
Victory
12 - 8

Game 2 - Conquest
Defeat - Loss on Conquest Time
Our team - Lost 5 Mechs
Opposing Team - Lost 11 Mechs

Game 3 - Skirmish
Defeat
12 - 2

Game 4 - Domination
Victory
12 - 2

Game 5 - Incursion
Victory
12 - 6

Game 6 - Domination
Defeat - Loss on Conquest Time
Our Team - Lost 11 Mechs
Opposing Team - Lost 5 Mechs

Game 7 - Domination
Defeat - Loss on Conquest Time
Our Team - Lost 9 Mechs
Opposing Team - Lost 2 Mechs

Game 8 - Conquest
Victory
12 - 2

Game 9 - Assault
Victory
12 - 8

Game 10 - Domination
Victory
Our Team - Lost 7 Mechs
Opposing Team - Lost 11 Mechs

Game 11 - Skirmish
Defeat
12 - 8


TOTAL WINS / LOSSES

Wins: 6
Losses: 5

My take aways:

- Wins to losses were evenly matched.
- Most matches were evenly matched. Roughly 3 matches were uneven (stomps)
- Most matches players used Voip well enough to coordinate quick strategies, and target calling. Some times our group had to initiate voip. Once we did, others soon followed through. Bouncing between in game Voip, and Discord chat was not a problem.
- Conquest matches were lost mostly due to time, and not necessarily on kills.

Personal take away:
- Was enjoyable to play with friends, and had some good matches. People in Voip communicated well, and enjoyed their company.
- Current tonnage may need checked for current group amounts.

Edited by Larsh, 28 April 2020 - 08:09 PM.

[IanDresarie]

Larsh, on 28 April 2020 - 08:06 PM, said:

- Current tonnage may need checked for current group amounts.

That I agree with. If this change is to stay then tonnage needs to be adjusted. Currently a 4-man can take 4 70-ton 'Mechs, which imo is too much for the upper end of the group size. I understand the argument of wanting to have freedom of choice, but just going down 20 tons to 4x65t max will imo help. 4x60 would probably be my preference, though i could live with both 4x65 and 4x55.
I feel this is a decent middle ground between 50t per person limit of past max sized groups while still retaining enough choice. Yes, 4x55 would still allow a lot of the better mediums in (Bushie, Stormcrow etc.) But I find it acceptable. Given stuff like the Huntsman, Noca, HbkIIC and so on exist in the 50t bracket anyway.

[Liveish]

Dee Eight, on 28 April 2020 - 02:44 PM, said:

The majority of players were ALWAYS solo queue players as long as the game has had a quick play model. CW/FW was always just a minor percentage of the player base, same as group queue.

Link to the source of this please ?

[Dee Eight]

You know the next thing they try and do is likely to force all the buckets onto one server... ALSO if they're just gonna toss the tier matchmaker... they could have achieved lower wait times and different match experiences by simply doing that...keep solo queue as solo... just make it a completely random mix of players (with a balanced mix of weight classes) .

Edited by Dee Eight, 28 April 2020 - 08:25 PM.

[Taram]

I like it so far. I've dropped with a group and solo, in general I haven't noticed a difference of how stompy things get. Though it's more fun when a coordinated group takes over and leads the drop.

In fact, been in a few drops where we obviously had a full lance of people from the same unit and they were utter trash and we still lost