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#281
Posted 13 July 2020 - 04:14 PM
Sawk
#283
Posted 13 July 2020 - 04:36 PM
Sawk, on 13 July 2020 - 04:14 PM, said:
Sawk
My take would be the problem is that people are leveling out before they ever level down to an enjoyable tier for them.
Also that MM is so wide that at least Tier 1 and Tier 4 players are matched together (in primetime) while poor cadets are in T3 and guaranteed to be matched against T1 in the 1-3/2-4/3-5 setup even when MM were working "properly".
#284
Posted 13 July 2020 - 04:39 PM
Sawk, on 13 July 2020 - 04:14 PM, said:
Sawk
It's not about 'leveling up', that was how the old system ended up working.
PSR is NOT an XP bar, it is there to show your skill & therefore allow the matchmaker to select players of roughly the same skill levels for matches.
Some people are going to go down to T4 & T5, some up to T2 & T1 & the majority should hover around T3. All of this is good & going up in PSR is now, no longer an almost certainty.
#286
Posted 13 July 2020 - 05:45 PM
Biomechtric, on 13 July 2020 - 04:39 PM, said:
PSR is NOT an XP bar, it is there to show your skill & therefore allow the matchmaker to select players of roughly the same skill levels for matches.
Some people are going to go down to T4 & T5, some up to T2 & T1 & the majority should hover around T3. All of this is good & going up in PSR is now, no longer an almost certainty.
If a majority hover around T3 (as Paul mentioned was the plan when introducing) then Tiers fail as any sort of matchmaking tool.
If a majority of the population can be balanced both with T1 players and T5 players, and there are also likely not enough players in T1 or T5 to create a tier only match in either of them, what was the point of creating the separation in the first place?
Might as well have put on a random sort and called it a day.
#287
Posted 13 July 2020 - 05:49 PM
Sawk
PS me think you all over thinked the whole darn problem
#288
Posted 13 July 2020 - 05:57 PM
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I don't think there are many people who are pleased with the current system and outside of the cabal who pushed misinformation to have it implemented there are next to none.
Heck even within the circle i'd imagine that the whole "everyone in tier 3" is viewed in a harshly negative light.
#289
Posted 13 July 2020 - 07:57 PM
well at least mid Tier .4.
I know I'm not alone, being place on a bad team (pretty sure we've all been there), going down, then getting matched with even lower skill players, if one can carry somewhat, will move back up, but if you can't carry, being on a bad team, you're going to end up stuck in the lower tiers.
I like the idea , of losing tier if I'm bad, but not a fan, that if I can't 1v12, I'm just going to keep going down, some matches feel that way, I do still get the up arrow, but it places me back up with the higher psr losers.
My friends list is basically grayed out, getting in a group with same battle approach/logic, is not happening any more.
I'm pretty much just in the mood, to just yolo any more, and that doesn't help the team or my PSR
oh and one more thing, why can't I be on the team that is half full of assaults , instead of being on the team with just one assault. yeeeeah, . . . so I can get more damage, if they separate and less murder ball, still though, I want to be on that team with all those assaults
#290
Posted 13 July 2020 - 09:52 PM
Xaat Xuun, on 13 July 2020 - 07:57 PM, said:
I like the idea , of losing tier if I'm bad, but not a fan, that if I can't 1v12, I'm just going to keep going down, some matches feel that way, I do still get the up arrow, but it places me back up with the higher psr losers.
Yeah nah. Your performance is being measured relative to your team.
Any potato action your team mates make reduce the team and match average MS and make it easier to beat and go up in PSR. If you think you are getting bad teams consistently, but you are consistently in the bottom half of the MS and keep going down... you may want to consider if the team is the common factor there.
Are you familiar with the leaderboard and jarlslist? You may want to seek some guidance from players who offer training to people wishing to improve their playstyle.
#291
Posted 13 July 2020 - 10:28 PM
Big-G, on 13 July 2020 - 04:53 PM, said:
I make no assumptions.
A guy gives you advice, says something to effect of "Killing mechs is better for winning than other stuff most of the time".
Which is true imo and in the opinion of many top players.
You reply with something about "assumption bla bla bla."
I think WOW this guy must be really guid and know something I don't.
So I check your stats just to better interpret your "assumption bla bla bla." reply to a guy giving you known guid advice.
So my response is:
"Killing mechs is better for winning than other stuff most of the time" is the correct answer, make no assumptions about it.
#292
Posted 14 July 2020 - 12:51 AM
Xaat Xuun, on 13 July 2020 - 07:57 PM, said:
well at least mid Tier .4.
I know I'm not alone, being place on a bad team (pretty sure we've all been there), going down, then getting matched with even lower skill players, if one can carry somewhat, will move back up, but if you can't carry, being on a bad team, you're going to end up stuck in the lower tiers.
I like the idea , of losing tier if I'm bad, but not a fan, that if I can't 1v12, I'm just going to keep going down, some matches feel that way, I do still get the up arrow, but it places me back up with the higher psr losers.
My friends list is basically grayed out, getting in a group with same battle approach/logic, is not happening any more.
I'm pretty much just in the mood, to just yolo any more, and that doesn't help the team or my PSR
oh and one more thing, why can't I be on the team that is half full of assaults , instead of being on the team with just one assault. yeeeeah, . . . so I can get more damage, if they separate and less murder ball, still though, I want to be on that team with all those assaults
Sounds like it is working as intended.
If you are consistently going down in PSR it means you are playing with people that are above your skill level(by PSR's current definition) & that you are settling into the tier you personally have the skill to be in.
Would it be correct for, say, people that plays Basketball for hours a week to play at the professional level with players that practice every day & have trainers etc to help. Most(sane) people would say hell no!! As the games would be terrible due to the massive skill difference. MWO is no different, the skill gap between the casuals & the top players is huge & having them all in the same match is inherently bad & so here we are, trying to fix that problem.
Some of you are going to lose that oh so special T1 badge due to the fact it was gained by grinding a huge amount of matches & did not reflect the players skill level.
We also need to show some patience as it will take more than 100 matches for the players to 'settle in' to the new system.
#293
Posted 14 July 2020 - 07:29 AM
Biomechtric, on 14 July 2020 - 12:51 AM, said:
If you are consistently going down in PSR it means you are playing with people that are above your skill level(by PSR's current definition) & that you are settling into the tier you personally have the skill to be in.
Would it be correct for, say, people that plays Basketball for hours a week to play at the professional level with players that practice every day & have trainers etc to help. Most(sane) people would say hell no!! As the games would be terrible due to the massive skill difference. MWO is no different, the skill gap between the casuals & the top players is huge & having them all in the same match is inherently bad & so here we are, trying to fix that problem.
Some of you are going to lose that oh so special T1 badge due to the fact it was gained by grinding a huge amount of matches & did not reflect the players skill level.
We also need to show some patience as it will take more than 100 matches for the players to 'settle in' to the new system.
From Xaat Xuun perspective though, even with the reset, it can be disheartening to win a match but have that downward arrow due to low MS. Even though he has not played this month, unless he is on another account, it is the perception.
Though, even in his shoes, if PGI had started everyone off in Tier 4 he would still be in the same boat as he is now because everyone should be moved out of tier 4 still has to drop into the game to do it. It would be much better if PGI had reseeded the playerbase, even if it had been between Tier 2-4, while having new players start off in Tier 4 at least. Even now, PGI could potentially still reseed the remaining players in Tier 3 and split them up between Tier 2-4 based on avg MS over last X amount of games (not months)
#294
Posted 14 July 2020 - 07:48 AM
Sawk, on 13 July 2020 - 05:49 PM, said:
Sawk
PS me think you all over thinked the whole darn problem
The new PSR system was made to help players like yourself have better matches ONCE you get into the appropriate tier. Your history on the Jarls rankings show month after month you are a bottom 25% player. You might feel you should be going up because you have been around a while, but you really shouldn’t be matched against top tier players....that not where you can have success at this time. With this system you should have far more success once you have “leveled down” to probably tier 4 and then you can float around between tier 3,4 and 5 as your results dictate. I am not saying the MS calculation is perfect, but you really should be looking to get into a tier of players of around your actual skill level...and then should your skill improve your tier can.
#295
Posted 14 July 2020 - 12:04 PM
Biomechtric, on 14 July 2020 - 12:51 AM, said:
We also need to show some patience as it will take more than 100 matches for the players to 'settle in' to the new system.
There is a problem though. One that I suspect a lot of the huge mathematical papers and graphs and simulations ignored. The three tier spread.
I am not in the top 20% of players. I had some terrible seasons recently in the bottom 50% for various reasons, but I am objectively a mediocre player. I am also about 1/3 of the way through tier 2 on the way to 1 and there is nothing that will stop that under the current system because of that 3 tier spread. There aren't enough people for single tier MM either, so if people aren't dropping or stable at 3, they will continue to grind up to 1 the same as the old system... and we're back to where we started.
#296
Posted 14 July 2020 - 12:46 PM
#297
Posted 14 July 2020 - 01:27 PM
crazytimes, on 14 July 2020 - 12:04 PM, said:
There is a problem though. One that I suspect a lot of the huge mathematical papers and graphs and simulations ignored. The three tier spread.
I am not in the top 20% of players. I had some terrible seasons recently in the bottom 50% for various reasons, but I am objectively a mediocre player. I am also about 1/3 of the way through tier 2 on the way to 1 and there is nothing that will stop that under the current system because of that 3 tier spread. There aren't enough people for single tier MM either, so if people aren't dropping or stable at 3, they will continue to grind up to 1 the same as the old system... and we're back to where we started.
I believe there is likely a certain amount of tier-inflation going on (as it’s early) as having all the newbies and truly awful old-timers lumped in with even average pilots (who under the old system were tier 1 and never saw the truly bad pilots). As more players get into tier 2 and tier 1 hopefully PGI’s matchmaker will match make more upper tier matches and that will hopefully tamp some back to tier 3 (assuming they are average players). It’s the hope anyway....
#298
Posted 14 July 2020 - 02:15 PM
#299
Posted 14 July 2020 - 02:49 PM
i started replying here because the solo player like my self, all years--- and the new guys, that play a few times a week, have no chance of leveling up, they find it hard to find friends, there looked down on, there trying to build there first lazer vomit that works, ect ect.
the system for the bigger 70% of us that makes up, the bulk of cash flow to PGI, just needed a small adjustment, as clanner i call that blood sport. system is broken bring back the old one.
PS i do not care how you feel, i have been hunted, by many some times i get lucky and kill you and your buddy, and i would suggest you being a buddy.
Sawk
#300
Posted 14 July 2020 - 04:33 PM
Tarl Cabot, on 14 July 2020 - 07:29 AM, said:
off topic, but yeah, I play on a different account, and just use this one for forums.
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If I ever received a down arrow, on a win, I deserved it. Well any down arrow really, my win/loss is now below 2, and skyrocketing down, that is not making me happy. I am bothered more by the W/L
how did that saying go, hard to fly like an eagle when surrounded by Turkeys . . something like that
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