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[Vlad Ward]

Do the (C) variants come customized? Or are they still stock loadouts?

Mechs that have already been tweaked in the MechLab by people who know what they're doing could actually be worthwhile for new players, even if they have the ability to replicate them on their own.

[Gagis]

Vlad Ward, on 15 January 2021 - 07:49 AM, said:

Do the (C) variants come customized? Or are they still stock loadouts?

Mechs that have already been tweaked in the MechLab by people who know what they're doing could actually be worthwhile for new players, even if they have the ability to replicate them on their own.

They are community designed builds...

...HOWEVER they predate the heat rebalance, engine desync, skill tree related balancing and various weapon balance passes so they are severely outdated and many no longer work as intended AND on top of that the designs were designed by forum vote so many were intentially bad in the first place too.

Edited by Gagis, 15 January 2021 - 08:15 AM.

[GuardDogg]

Guess you never played DCS (Digital Combat Simulator). About $90 for a F14, and have to pay for map like Syria, that just came out.

[Wolfos31]

I think this also ignores that you don't REALLY need MC for anything but Hero mechs. Sure, some hero mechs are awesome, but there are plenty of very good builds that use regular CBill variants.

I'd say MWO is less pay to play/win than many other Multiplayer Games I've been exposed to. Real money is generally only useful for cosmetics or increasing your earnings. Hero mechs being the only exception where real money can get you a competitive edge but it's razor thin.

[Wildstreak]

Dekeon, on 10 January 2021 - 12:39 AM, said:

$40 for kodiak 3 c ?? really pgi ?? i can buy a whole new game for $40 .... too much pgi just too much ...hopefully new owners will make mech prices reasonable so new players wont have to break the bank just to get good mech variants ....greed much ???

Dekeon, on 10 January 2021 - 04:51 AM, said:

you cant buy the kodiak 3 c for c-bills

Yes the Kodiak-3 can be bought for 8,019,582 CB right now.

Guess you have not looked at the price in the first Clan Mech Pack for the special single Clan Mech of choice you get in gold paint.

[General Solo]

PGI's high prices for mechs is PGI's way of saying

Get Guid or pay up coz

We don't do matchmaker guid

[martian]

Vlad Ward, on 15 January 2021 - 07:49 AM, said:

Do the (C) variants come customized? Or are they still stock loadouts?

Mechs that have already been tweaked in the MechLab by people who know what they're doing could actually be worthwhile for new players, even if they have the ability to replicate them on their own.

They come customized, but some loadouts are years old - sometimes from 2012 or so.

[Anjian]

Dekeon, on 10 January 2021 - 12:39 AM, said:

$40 for kodiak 3 c ?? really pgi ?? i can buy a whole new game for $40 .... too much pgi just too much ...hopefully new owners will make mech prices reasonable so new players wont have to break the bank just to get good mech variants ....greed much ???

You think this is expensive? This is peanuts compared to many games.

[Bistrorider]

Dekeon, on 10 January 2021 - 12:39 AM, said:

$40 for kodiak 3 c ?? really pgi ?? i can buy a whole new game for $40 .... too much pgi just too much ...hopefully new owners will make mech prices reasonable so new players wont have to break the bank just to get good mech variants ....greed much ???

You can get MC quick and save them up for buying hero mech (and it's really a plus for PGI side), so go cry somewhere else.

[w0qj]

Some Trial (Champion) Mechs for the IS (Inner Sphere) still is using XL Engines, and your entire mech explodes when a ST (Side Torso) is destroyed. But how many new players have the sense to switch to Light Engines? Do they have the CBill funding to do this?

This clearly illustrates how dated this Trial Mech system is.
Easy tweaks can easily be done--better prebuild mech weapons layout, Light Engine or Standard Engine (Just do not use XL Engines for IS Trial Mechs!).

Vlad Ward, on 15 January 2021 - 07:49 AM, said:

Do the (C) variants come customized? Or are they still stock loadouts?

Mechs that have already been tweaked in the MechLab by people who know what they're doing could actually be worthwhile for new players, even if they have the ability to replicate them on their own.

Gagis, on 15 January 2021 - 08:14 AM, said:

They are community designed builds...

...HOWEVER they predate the heat rebalance, engine desync, skill tree related balancing and various weapon balance passes so they are severely outdated and many no longer work as intended AND on top of that the designs were designed by forum vote so many were intentially bad in the first place too.

Edited by w0qj, 16 January 2021 - 12:19 PM.

[jss78]

I don't see the problem to be honest.

It's a free-to-play multiplayer game. You don't have to pay a penny, but then they charge quite a lot for premium content. Same as all competing games.

In my main game of the past few years, World of Warships, the developer is happily charging towards 100 EUR a piece for the most expensive premium ships.

This game has an exceptionally fair free-to-play economy. Playing free is actually entirely possible, and there's absolutely minimal "pay to win".

I have lots of complaints about this game, but the economy isn't among them.

Edited by jss78, 16 January 2021 - 10:11 AM.

[Wildstreak]

jss78, on 16 January 2021 - 10:11 AM, said:

I don't see the problem to be honest.

It's a free-to-play multiplayer game.

Waiting for the False Freeloader Accusations to begin.

[crazytimes]

jss78, on 16 January 2021 - 10:11 AM, said:

I don't see the problem to be honest.

In my main game of the past few years, World of Warships, the developer is happily charging towards 100 EUR a piece for the most expensive premium ships.

This game has an exceptionally fair free-to-play economy. Playing free is actually entirely possible, and there's absolutely minimal "pay to win".

I have lots of complaints about this game, but the economy isn't among them.

Yeah WoT and WoW have the player base to sustain their economy - over 1 million concurrent for WoT. Premium vehicles are also much more important in those games as the economy is a lot harsher.

Here- the real world cost of items is absolutely ridiculous compared to the playerbase and is clearly not sustainable. There is a reason they have gone to events every single week, sometimes overlapping each other, increasingly generous giveaways, and plans for more and cheaper packages.

[PocketYoda]

Jun Watarase, on 14 January 2021 - 11:43 PM, said:

Once you max out the xp on a mech, you dont need anymore xp from there, thats why the xp bonus on it is pointless. Ive got mechs with tons of xp that i am not touching because theres just no need to. Its just not worth the MC to buy champions.

Doesn't mean the mechs useless, it just means its the same as a standard version. Yes they are mc only but still more viable than a lot of mc heroes.

[JediPanther]

Gagis, on 10 January 2021 - 12:33 PM, said:

The raven is a bad mech too, and youll have it maxed out with skills fast either way, and then the championness is worth nothing again.

Actually the rvn 3lc is the best one as you have both ecm and stealth as options. The xp bonus lets you always have xp for when you want to rebuild your load out so not having the 'best' possible build is ok. It's almost as if you get free nodes for playing a great ecm light mech. Add on any pt from events and you get a nice 80% xp gain every match.

[martian]

Anjian, on 16 January 2021 - 03:28 AM, said:

You think this is expensive? This is peanuts compared to many games.

Maybe it is peanuts compared to many games.

But in MWO it means that you are paying $40 for the privilege to use your new and costly 'Mech to nascar around the same rock as thousand times before.

[Dozer6]

Anjian, on 16 January 2021 - 03:28 AM, said:

You think this is expensive? This is peanuts compared to many games.

I second that.
You want to see a money sink? Check out EVE...

[General Solo]

Yeah but Eve is actually a good game
Their playerbase population count suggests this
MWO overpriced crap, not total crap, but some bits are, cough MM

Edited by General Solo, 29 January 2021 - 08:36 AM.

[General Solo]

martian, on 28 January 2021 - 10:48 PM, said:

Maybe it is peanuts compared to many games.

But in MWO it means that you are paying $40 for the privilege to use your new and costly 'Mech to nascar around the same rock as thousand times before.

Dont want to be rude but I am ignorant of these games you speak of?
And how many is many, ten?
Can you list 10 games that make MWO cost look like peanuts?

Are thoses games more sucessfull, if they are maybe they are worth the money

MWO, not so much imo

Edited by General Solo, 29 January 2021 - 08:35 AM.

[martian]

General Solo, on 29 January 2021 - 08:28 AM, said:

Yeah but Eve is actually a good game
Their playerbase population count suggests this
MWO overpriced crap

I guess that it could be one of the reasons why MWO has lost about three quarters of its playerbase.