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[Noey Bunny]

The6thMessenger, on 15 March 2021 - 10:52 PM, said:

We should just boycott the game, like when the patches drop.

That will make them listen.

This wouldn't be the first time I've taken a boycott on the game. Though; I'm not quite sure how they can say that this aggressive patching strategy is new?

-KDK-3 had knee-jerk reactions to everything from engine desync to UAC nerfs and ghost heat.
-C-SPL nerfs in 2017, completely neutered an entire weapon system and every mech that used them. (for years, PGI should really just be titling patch notes as 'CHRIS STRIKES AGAIN!')
-gauss/ppc nerfs +desync
-Medium laser (especially clan in 2018, lol ghost heat limit to 5 erml much? XD)

PGI (and respectively chris the uhh... XD PGI BALANCE MASTER) seem overly obsessed with drawing the wrong conclusions from empirical data and then losing their minds to it rather than do anything useful.

after more than 6 years, I've made amazing friends here(on mwo), the older and more mature community makes it a safer place for a female gamer like myself. With enough practice and effort, even developed enough skill to see some success in competitive play. I've dumped so much of my life into Mechwarrior online... It makes this kind of patch even more disappointing. I want to say something nice, but...

TL:DR

if this pants-on-head patch is the best we're going to get to show the care and composure pgi has for the future of MWO; then the boycott is going to happen whether someone calls for it or not, and I very much intend to follow suit.

Edited by Noey Bunny, 15 March 2021 - 11:46 PM.

[MyriadDigits]

GweNTLeR, on 15 March 2021 - 11:00 PM, said:

I'd say again that it should now be used as a secondary weapon. They produce virtually no heat, so Gauss rifles (except for HGR and stealth bulds) are mostly used with energy weapons, such as medium lasers or large lasers. They are NOT used alone. Some of the most popular and effective builds with 2*GR are:
WHM-6R with (ER)ML;
Deathstrike with 6ERML;
The new LGR could be effectively used with ERML and (ER)LL.

12 tons a pop isn't a secondary plain as. That's something you stick on to be a big contribution to your damage output, which LGR could hardly be considered to accomplish before this atrocity of a patch, let alone after. That WHM-6R and Deathstrike you brought up aren't using Gauss as a secondary, Gauss is the big stick on those builds.

[GweNTLeR]

MyriadDigits, on 15 March 2021 - 11:25 PM, said:

12 tons a pop isn't a secondary plain as. That's something you stick on to be a big contribution to your damage output, which LGR could hardly be considered to accomplish before this atrocity of a patch, let alone after. That WHM-6R and Deathstrike you brought up aren't using Gauss as a secondary, Gauss is the big stick on those builds.

That depends on what you consider secondary.
Clan 6ERML have bigger alpha and bigger dps than 2 gauss.
Is 6 ERML have bigger dps than 2 gauss and same alpha.
IMO that makes gauss secondary.
With 2 LGR WHM-6R with 6 erml will have 52 alpha, quite a good number actually

[Alex Morgaine]

Cancel changes reverse course gauss and ppc don't need these changes. Masc should not bring turn penalties to any weight class.

[The6thMessenger]

GweNTLeR, on 15 March 2021 - 11:53 PM, said:

That depends on what you consider secondary.
Clan 6ERML have bigger alpha and bigger dps than 2 gauss.
Is 6 ERML have bigger dps than 2 gauss and same alpha.
IMO that makes gauss secondary.
With 2 LGR WHM-6R with 6 erml will have 52 alpha, quite a good number actually

It's a secondary or primary based on investment. You put 24 to 30 tons into the build +ammo, you should be maximizing its use, or it should be damn well doing most of the work.

[crazytimes]

tee5, on 15 March 2021 - 11:00 PM, said:

Solaris 7: They announce Solaris 7 big on MechCon, Big Hype.
But turns out it is a hard unvorgiving environment, only for niche players, for highly competitve players, Mech Dads get slaughtered in the millions, Mech Dads not willing to adapt, "why am I not winning in my lrm-10, 1 x MedLaser, 1 x Ac 10 mech?" Need for highly specialized Mechs and SKILLTREES. Playerbase is declining and declining..

Question for all the Solaris fans- has insulting everyone who doesn't want to get farmed ever, at any point, in even the slightest, helped build the playerbase of people to farm?

Asking because I don't like getting farmed, and it is a useless mode for almost the entire player base, but the insults are pretty consistent.

[tee5]

Lockheed_, on 15 March 2021 - 11:55 PM, said:

apparently it is more important to protect the feelings of the guy who screwed this up than putting a stop to it and hiring someone competent.

As it was with their other failures, remember LONG TOM, or the introduction of new FACTION PLAY many shouted, ROLL BACK FACTION PLAY. PGI was stubborn.

But this time it is different, this time we changed, this time we listen to our community.

No dear PGI you do not listen to your community, and your actions spreak louder than your words.

[Bowelhacker]

cougurt, on 15 March 2021 - 02:01 PM, said:

NSR bot detected.

I'm not cool enough to know what that means :-(

[Alex Morgaine]

Ugh my rapid fire twin light gauss mech is effectively a slow fire improved heavy gauss rifle now. Changes the way to use it entirely.


I really, really hope they choose to hold off a day or two on this.

Edited by Alex Morgaine, 16 March 2021 - 12:05 AM.

[SPNKRGrenth]

The PPC and Gauss changes would actually be interesting if ghost heat got unlinked again. DPS took such a huge hit, and PPC heat got a big jump, I think PPC Gauss without ghost heat can be allowed again.

[Martaloc]

Do everything as Gulag say amateurs at PGI !!!
They worked free for you and us the playerbase and we liked they changes not yours !!!

[Z Paradox]

Metalgod69, on 16 March 2021 - 12:08 AM, said:

Never, really never nerf a weapon that nobody uses. Refering to light gauss. Its like deleting the weapon out of the game.

hey... I use it on my rvn-4x, and it hurts me they ruined it for me now... -.-

[Alex Morgaine]

omg test server can we hold this off a week at least?

[SPNKRGrenth]

So after looking at the numbers and thinking about it for awhile, I think the only actual issue with the weapon reworks is the cooldown nerfs were just too heavy handed, taking a massive +2/+3 second nerf. If it was just +1 second across the board, the numbers look far more reasonable for the rest overall.

[-Mean Machine Angel-]

Why do people still think pgi actually want this game to suceed? no,seriously.This sort of thing has been happening scince even before the horror of long tom.Honestly just give up on thinking pgi will ever in any meaningful way do anything to fix the game.I mean ****,each map is basically a rectangle to fight in surrounded by terrain thats pointless because the game forces you to stay in a group...

[Yondu Udonta]

Nothing new here, just a developer who only has 26 games to his name since June 2019 thinking he knows how to balance the game better than a group of dedicated players comprising mainly of consistently top tier players who have been with MWO through thick and thin. Just stick him back into MW5 development.

[ColourfulConfetti]

Lockheed_, on 15 March 2021 - 11:55 PM, said:

so if anyone is interested, Daeron actually appeared on NGNG today around 5h 35mins today and talked about the patch. this dumpster fire will go live and they are prepared to take all the **** and even see numbers go down. apparently it is more important to protect the feelings of the guy who screwed this up than putting a stop to it and hiring someone competent.

The cherry on the **** sundae. What a way to wrap it all up.

[Thornhold]

Speaking about those weapon changes...
Well RIP IS longrange.
We were able to use XL 6xERLL BLR-1G & 5xERLL ANNIs against those poptarts. But if a single Veigle can kill your BLR in 3 alphas or make your Anni a half mech in 4 alphas that means after this patch it's gonna be impossible.
So if you get a Polar/Alpine against clan it's gonna be NO point to play it at all.

Edited by Thornhold, 16 March 2021 - 01:14 AM.

[uwuziel]

aardappelianen, on 15 March 2021 - 08:53 PM, said:

So, disgusting nerfs to non boat lppc carriers and a buff to fleas, it has plenty of mobility all it needs is the forwards/backwards jerky movement combined with the dank hitreg in this game, for any other masc carrier this is a straight nerf

The weirdest thing is you would nerf masc in such a way that it benefits the most problematic mech to carry one, what the hell are are you even thinking

Dont worry they nerfed decceleration with it too so that wont happen anymore

[Magik Jack]

Lockheed_, on 15 March 2021 - 11:55 PM, said:

so if anyone is interested, Daeron actually appeared on NGNG today around 5h 35mins today and talked about the patch. this dumpster fire will go live and they are prepared to take all the **** and even see numbers go down. apparently it is more important to protect the feelings of the guy who screwed this up than putting a stop to it and hiring someone competent.

Thanks for the heads up. The discussion was actually pretty good.