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[MadBede]

Lockheed_, on 18 July 2021 - 05:09 PM, said:

Your post was pretty passive aggressive. Ricky is right for pointing out that Vxheous was polite in his statement. There's also nothing elitist about stating that a good player can make it to T1 rather quickly and average players stay in T3. That's pretty much how it is. You could almost say it works as intended.

The heck is passive aggressive? Or you aggressive or you not. Its like politely say to someone to FO. LOL. And yes OP sound "elitist" to me. Deal with that. Did you get good in MWO straight of the bat with zero knowledge/experience? I bet you not, unless you got some friend who introduced you to game mechanics , etc. I am this kind of a new player, i like to learn myself, i spend a lot of time tinkering to find what weapon systems work for my playstyle best , which mechs a handy for me. Then if i get stuck at some point i look for help on forums from experienced players.
Not a passive aggressive post, just to let you know

[Vxheous]

MadBede, on 19 July 2021 - 11:26 AM, said:

The heck is passive aggressive? Or you aggressive or you not. Its like politely say to someone to FO. LOL. And yes OP sound "elitist" to me. Deal with that. Did you get good in MWO straight of the bat with zero knowledge/experience? I bet you not, unless you got some friend who introduced you to game mechanics , etc. I am this kind of a new player, i like to learn myself, i spend a lot of time tinkering to find what weapon systems work for my playstyle best , which mechs a handy for me. Then if i get stuck at some point i look for help on forums from experienced players.
Not a passive aggressive post, just to let you know

Sure, but my post isn't directed at you, or your playstyle. Take however long you want to learn, and whatever tier you're in is perfectly fine, I never said otherwise.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Swear to God, there is no gaming community with more disdain for its better player than what you will forever see with MWO.

[pattonesque]

LT. HARDCASE, on 19 July 2021 - 04:46 PM, said:

Swear to God, there is no gaming community with more disdain for its better player than what you will forever see with MWO.

some folks in this community watched a lot of the History Channel growing up, and believe their knowledge of "flanking" should trump icky stuff like shooting what they aim at

[Sergeant Destroy]

If You wanna be a "tactical gamer"™ you just need two words:
Flank
Push

[ScrapIron Prime]

I get all my “tactical gamer” needs met by simply not leaving the assault mech behind alone. Protected Medium for the win. (Or at least a decent match score when you lose.)

but anyhow… kudos to the OP for providing us some hard data that elite players aren’t making alt accounts specifically to farm T5… because they’d have to keep making new accounts and that gets old quick.

[Sergeant Destroy]

Just in case you didnt get it
the real "tactical gamer"™ words are
"wait for it"

[KodiakGW]

MechaGnome, on 18 July 2021 - 08:07 PM, said:

I have no idea who that is i don't follow sport of any kind, i actively avoid it. So then the myth has been dispelled and only world champions can do it in under 200 matches.. Throw it on your resume.

Grats i guess.

Actually, Tom Brady seems to be a decent chap. Here is a video of his interview at the end of winning his 7th.

https://youtu.be/xxrxvgVHBNw

Lots of “we” and “us” and team based references. Never said “I”. But, you know, semantics…..

[The Basilisk]

LT. HARDCASE, on 19 July 2021 - 04:46 PM, said:

Swear to God, there is no gaming community with more disdain for its better player than what you will forever see with MWO.

I assure you that this...."disdain"...is not directed agaiinst good players in general but rather against certain personalitys with their echochamber flock of yay sayers that decend on anybody pointing out that this game

-- is faily hard and counter intuitive towards newbys to the point of beeing repulsive or even abusiv

-- should give "good" players in its presumably endgame content aka Faction play the additional challange of having to play WITH the less powerful players instead of against them

-- largely misses its core group (which would be fans of the immense STORY and BACKGROUND driven BATTLETECH universe)

-- attemps to draw in a kind of clientel typicaly for AAA arena shooters but neither has the technological nor creative prowes to support this kind of public

-- has been quite overhyping its own content to the brink of beeing vapoware

Other, very constructive and helpful players like the great Koenvig, Catalina Steiner, Kanajashi, Li Song or Smurfy where held in high praise.

Edit: to topic: most likely it has already been stated multiple times but the originaly post that spins the bragging storry of how fast a trained "worldchampion" player was able to reach T1 with a fresh account while leveling 7 of the most powerful chassis in MWO sporting high dmg nubers is .... well I don't know.
Dude whats your intentions here are you trying to teabag ppl for beeing new to this game and finding it hard to grasp or what ?

Edited by The Basilisk, 20 July 2021 - 06:10 AM.

[Inatu Elimor]

Vxheous, on 17 July 2021 - 01:56 AM, said:

So I've read many times from other posters on this forum that it takes hundreds (often 500+ is the most common number cited) of games to climb from Tier 5 to Tier 1, so I figured I would test it out and see how long it would take to actually level a brand new fresh account. I started this back in March and played off and on between 23 to 72 games a month, buying a new mech when I had the cbills for it (or gifted from events) and leveled up the mechs accordingly. I fully leveled 7 mechs along the way (Incubus, Vapor Eagle, Grasshopper, Hellbringer, Timber Wolf, Blood Asp, and Mad Cat MK II).

Total games played 185, while maintaining a W/L just shy of 2.0 (1.98) all solo. Could've probably done it quicker if I just sat in a Blood Asp and farmed 1K+ damage games all the time, but I wanted to play all classes and actually level mechs for a "new player" experience. I also attempted to do event stuff whenever I was playing, and threw random weapons onto mechs to achieve the event criteria



In summary, I expect a good player to be able to climb to Tier 1 with a fresh account anywhere between 150-200ish games.

I’ m very excited you proved your point. A whole world of new possibilities has opened up ! My problem is however I’ m not as talented as you are. Do I have a problem while having fun in my own low tier? Actually No. But I would have liked to have at least the opportunity to kick some "to heavy ego a$$es" from time to time !!

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

The Basilisk, on 20 July 2021 - 06:01 AM, said:

-- is faily hard and counter intuitive towards newbys to the point of beeing repulsive or even abusiv

I've never seen anyone try and hide the fact that MWO has certain mechanics (like tank controls) that can mke the initial learning curve harder, but once you get stuff like that down its basic shooter mechanics.

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-- should give "good" players in its presumably endgame content aka Faction play the additional challange of having to play WITH the less powerful players instead of against them

That already happens? Unless you're in a vetted 12 man stack you will always end up playing with a reasonable skill mix.

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-- largely misses its core group (which would be fans of the immense STORY and BACKGROUND driven BATTLETECH universe)

Citation Needed

If MWO was truly missed the core demographic of the BT community it wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is.

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-- attemps to draw in a kind of clientel typicaly for AAA arena shooters but neither has the technological nor creative prowes to support this kind of public

If never seen MWO try bring in the arena shooter demographic, it doesn't really share much with those kinds of games.

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-- has been quite overhyping its own content to the brink of beeing vapoware

What the hell does this even mean?

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Dude whats your intentions here are you trying to teabag ppl for beeing new to this game and finding it hard to grasp or what ?

His intention was simple, some people like to think that there are a few top tier players who exclusively stick around in low tier running top tier meta and just clubbing all the poor seals they see, Vxheous did an experiment to show how quickly a good player will reach T1 and even as just an above average player myself I could probably replicate his findings.

Edited by My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, 20 July 2021 - 11:44 AM.

[Vxheous]

The Basilisk, on 20 July 2021 - 06:01 AM, said:

I assure you that this...."disdain"...is not directed agaiinst good players in general but rather against certain personalitys with their echochamber flock of yay sayers that decend on anybody pointing out that this game

-- is faily hard and counter intuitive towards newbys to the point of beeing repulsive or even abusiv

-- should give "good" players in its presumably endgame content aka Faction play the additional challange of having to play WITH the less powerful players instead of against them

-- largely misses its core group (which would be fans of the immense STORY and BACKGROUND driven BATTLETECH universe)

-- attemps to draw in a kind of clientel typicaly for AAA arena shooters but neither has the technological nor creative prowes to support this kind of public

-- has been quite overhyping its own content to the brink of beeing vapoware

Other, very constructive and helpful players like the great Koenvig, Catalina Steiner, Kanajashi, Li Song or Smurfy where held in high praise.

Edit: to topic: most likely it has already been stated multiple times but the originaly post that spins the bragging storry of how fast a trained "worldchampion" player was able to reach T1 with a fresh account while leveling 7 of the most powerful chassis in MWO sporting high dmg nubers is .... well I don't know.
Dude whats your intentions here are you trying to teabag ppl for beeing new to this game and finding it hard to grasp or what ?

I've stated my intentions on why I wanted to test what I did. As far as what mechs I chose, those are whats fun for me, and I don't judge others for what's fun for them. As far as some of your choices of "helpful and constructive" players, I would suggest we get back on topic and move away from such excessive self gratification.

Inatu Elimor, on 20 July 2021 - 09:29 AM, said:

I’ m very excited you proved your point. A whole world of new possibilities has opened up ! My problem is however I’ m not as talented as you are. Do I have a problem while having fun in my own low tier? Actually No. But I would have liked to have at least the opportunity to kick some "to heavy ego a$$es" from time to time !!

If you would the the opportunity to kick some "heavy ego", put together a team for the upcoming MWOCS 2021. Comp queue has no tier limits and should provide plenty kicking opportunities.

[LordNothing]

i feel like this myth went into the trash with the skill tree redux. anyone still parroting it was likely going on old information.

[Davegt27]

LordNothing, on 20 July 2021 - 12:13 PM, said:

i feel like this myth went into the trash with the skill tree redux. anyone still parroting it was likely going on old information.

what myth ??

I can understand where Vxheous is coming from he is answering a question that no one asked
namely does it takes forever to grind to T1

but Vxheous is saying is if your wondering
does it take forever to get to T1 ? his answer is no

this is cool info I guess

people will naturally want to move up and improve but over time they wont and they will either leave or stay with the game
time will tell

something that would be useful would be for PGI to publish the number of T1 players each month

Edited by Davegt27, 22 July 2021 - 12:14 AM.

[Vxheous]

Davegt27, on 20 July 2021 - 12:30 PM, said:

what myth ??

I can understand where Vxheous is coming from he is answering a question that no one asked
namely does it take forever to grind to T1

but Vxheous is saying is if your wondering
does it take forever to get to T1 ? his answer is no

this is cool info I guess

people will naturally want to move up and improve but over time they wont and they will either leave or stay with the game
time will tell

something that would be useful would be for PGI to publish the number of T1 players each month

I think LordNothing is referring to when Soy (King Harkinian) leveled a fresh alt account in 10 days in the old PSR system: https://mwomercs.com...-links-n-stuff/

Edited by Vxheous, 20 July 2021 - 12:41 PM.

[LordNothing]

Davegt27, on 20 July 2021 - 12:30 PM, said:

what myth ??

did you not read the thread title?

as for the rest, one can improve but thats different from saying that anyone can make t1. players tend to plateau at some point. i can and have made progress into t2 when using the right mechs and weapons. but that puts me at cross purposes to having fun, running my pokemech collection, doing events that tend to make everyone including myself play like potatoes, or generally screwing around, using troll builds, etc.

a lot of people just want to play a game. for those people i suggest not chasing numbers.

Edited by LordNothing, 20 July 2021 - 02:01 PM.

[LordNothing]

Vxheous, on 20 July 2021 - 12:41 PM, said:

I think LordNothing is referring to when Soy (King Harkinian) leveled a fresh alt account in 10 days in the old PSR system: https://mwomercs.com...-links-n-stuff/

wasn't referring to that specifically but yea id say that was one of the bigger the nails in the coffin. may have even been a major factor in pgi's decision to re-do the psr system.

Edited by LordNothing, 20 July 2021 - 01:59 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Sylzana, on 17 July 2021 - 11:29 AM, said:

Pretty much that. Tier 1, even IF you are good as BEGINNER is simply impossible. You have to dig through soooo much information. From Positioning to proper Mech Builds that work for you and so much more.
There is simply no way the normal (better Player) could ever realistically achieve that goal. I'd say not even close.

I have seen many fresh/brand new players come into the game and be above average in a couple hundred games simply by seeking out basic information.

The finer points of MWO knowledge take time, sure, basic FPS gameplay is just that - anyone that is good as FPS at a base level will move into any new FPS and be reasonably proficient.

[Bud Crue]

Do all new players start mid T5 and go from there? I.e. there is no seeding matches or anything like that, and if there is how does that work? I ask becasue I am seeing cadets in what are supposedly T1 (T1-T3) matches with pretty regular frequency (at least one or two in every evening of play and without massive waits to suggest gates are being opened), which if I understand the way this works means they are still within their first 25 games but have managed to get to T3.

[justcallme A S H]

Yeah Tier 5.75 Bud.

5-10 OK games puts you into Tier 4.


Why you are seeing CADETS is they are Grouped with higher tier players. I have seen this myself first hand as the MM basically averages the PSR, from what people can tell.