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#81 martian

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 09:34 AM

View PostMechaGnome, on 01 December 2021 - 04:36 AM, said:

They should really be 2-3 times the size they are now but it wont happen.


This would lead to one result: Light 'Mechs would disappear from the game.

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 09:48 AM

View PostD A T A, on 01 December 2021 - 07:24 AM, said:

An assault having to mathematically lose a 1v1 vs a light just because of leg hugging and insufficient assault agility is a nonsense and a massive game design flaw. An assault should not have 0 chances of winning a fight vs a light in brawl, it is just stupid....
Unfortunatelly most of the cauldron doesn't agree with me on this.


I've killed a bunch of lights in brawls while in assaults, but I guess ymmv.

#83 MrMadguy

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 10:11 AM

View Postmartian, on 01 December 2021 - 08:11 AM, said:


A little bit too late for player, who plays since open beta.

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 10:13 AM

View PostD A T A, on 01 December 2021 - 07:24 AM, said:

An assault having to mathematically lose a 1v1 vs a light just because of leg hugging and insufficient assault agility is a nonsense and a massive game design flaw. An assault should not have 0 chances of winning a fight vs a light in brawl, it is just stupid....
Unfortunatelly most of the cauldron doesn't agree with me on this.

Actually, Cauldron took steps to address this. Or did you think that increasing torso pitch angle was just to shoot mechs higher than you in a canyon? Assaults can aim lower now, and combined with putting your back to a wall and just generally not being by your freaking self, assaults have no excuse to auto-lose to a light mech unless they have all minimum-range weapons or are seriously out skilled by the light pilot.

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 10:14 AM

View Postmartian, on 01 December 2021 - 09:34 AM, said:


This would lead to one result: Light 'Mechs would disappear from the game.


Which is exactly what he wants, but wont admit.

View PostMrMadguy, on 01 December 2021 - 10:11 AM, said:

A little bit too late for player, who plays since open beta.


This isn't a defense you know. If you've been playing since open beta and you still don't have fundamentals down, that's 100% on you. That's your fault. That is not because lights are too fast and hit hard. It's because you aren't learning to play the game better.

You are not above learning. I'm not and I've been playing since closed beta. If you think you are, then that is truly the heart and soul of your problem.

Edited by pbiggz, 01 December 2021 - 10:16 AM.


#86 martian

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 10:20 AM

View PostMrMadguy, on 01 December 2021 - 10:11 AM, said:

A little bit too late for player, who plays since open beta.

You would not be the only Fafnir pilot in that forums section: Need Fafnir Tips.

As they say: "It is never too late to learn something new."

But of course, it is your choice.

Edited by martian, 01 December 2021 - 10:21 AM.


#87 MrMadguy

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 10:22 AM

View Postpbiggz, on 01 December 2021 - 10:14 AM, said:

This isn't a defense you know. If you've been playing since open beta and you still don't have fundamentals down, that's 100% on you. That's your fault. That is not because lights are too fast and hit hard. It's because you aren't learning to play the game better.

You are not above learning. I'm not and I've been playing since closed beta. If you think you are, then that is truly the heart and soul of your problem.

Yeah, "git gut" - is common argument, that is usually used to justify lack of balance.

P.S. Fortunately, despite of getting only 3 kills within 3 days, I've managed to get enough KMDDs and so for now I'm done with event and this game.

Edited by MrMadguy, 01 December 2021 - 10:34 AM.


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Posted 01 December 2021 - 10:54 AM

View PostMrMadguy, on 01 December 2021 - 10:22 AM, said:

Yeah, "git gut" - is common argument, that is usually used to justify lack of balance.

P.S. Fortunately, despite of getting only 3 kills within 3 days, I've managed to get enough KMDDs and so for now I'm done with event and this game.


Yeah no. You don't get to put your problems on all of us. You need to stop this. It's absurd.

#89 martian

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 11:41 AM

View PostMrMadguy, on 01 December 2021 - 10:22 AM, said:

Yeah, "git gut" - is common argument, that is usually used to justify lack of balance.

With the "lack of balance" you mean that light 'Mechs are to blame for all your recent defeats?


View PostMrMadguy, on 01 December 2021 - 10:22 AM, said:

P.S. Fortunately, despite of getting only 3 kills within 3 days, I've managed to get enough KMDDs and so for now I'm done with event and this game.

Congratulations.

#90 Ignatius Audene

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 11:47 AM

MrMadguy maybe play lights yourself and show yourself how op they are?

#91 martian

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 11:55 AM

View PostIgnatius Audene, on 01 December 2021 - 11:47 AM, said:

MrMadguy maybe play lights yourself and show yourself how op they are?


Somehow ... I doubt that he will do that.

#92 justcallme A S H

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 01:02 PM

View PostBrauer, on 01 December 2021 - 09:48 AM, said:


I've killed a bunch of lights in brawls while in assaults, but I guess ymmv.


Same.

Or damaged them well enough on their approach it's not an issue.

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 01:38 PM

View PostMrMadguy, on 01 December 2021 - 10:22 AM, said:

Yeah, "git gut" - is common argument, that is usually used to justify lack of balance.

P.S. Fortunately, despite of getting only 3 kills within 3 days, I've managed to get enough KMDDs and so for now I'm done with event and this game.


There are plenty of assault mech pilots, even fafnir pilots, that have no problem scraping fleas and piranhas off of themselves. And plenty who don't keep putting themselves in the position where this happens all the time.

But as previously stated, perhaps the issue is that you're using the mech inefficiently, either in terms of positioning or leading your shots. if you've barely managed a kill a day in a dual gauss fafnir, I think this is more the issue that needs addressed. perhaps play something faster, so the positioning of your mech is more forgiving.

remember, just because some list or streamer says "OMG this is the best build evah!" doesn't mean its the build for you. Find what you're good at, find what you love.

#94 MrMadguy

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Posted 01 December 2021 - 09:53 PM

View PostScrapIron Prime, on 01 December 2021 - 01:38 PM, said:

There are plenty of assault mech pilots, even fafnir pilots, that have no problem scraping fleas and piranhas off of themselves.

Last thing I want to say before going offline. That's, how one gets that "Fafnir pilot" moniker. I have 100+ 'Mechs. Half of them are Assaults. I constantly play many of them. Slow clunky 100 tonners aren't even my favorite ones. So stop this "fafnir" thing.

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Posted 02 December 2021 - 04:45 AM

But u refuse too try the pros and cons of lighter classes. Scared 2 find out that the grass on the other side is just grass?

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Posted 02 December 2021 - 04:53 AM

View PostIgnatius Audene, on 02 December 2021 - 04:45 AM, said:

But u refuse too try the pros and cons of lighter classes. Scared 2 find out that the grass on the other side is just grass?

not just grass, less green grass than assault side grass.

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Posted 02 December 2021 - 05:11 AM

View Postmartian, on 01 December 2021 - 09:34 AM, said:


This would lead to one result: Light 'Mechs would disappear from the game.


Sounds like a plan.. But thats funny Medium mechs didn't surprisingly vanish from the game..

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Posted 02 December 2021 - 05:30 AM

View PostMrMadguy, on 01 December 2021 - 09:53 PM, said:

Last thing I want to say before going offline. That's, how one gets that "Fafnir pilot" moniker. I have 100+ 'Mechs. Half of them are Assaults. I constantly play many of them. Slow clunky 100 tonners aren't even my favorite ones. So stop this "fafnir" thing.

If they are that good, you should play them then.

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Posted 02 December 2021 - 05:47 AM

View PostMechaGnome, on 02 December 2021 - 05:11 AM, said:

Sounds like a plan.. But thats funny Medium mechs didn't surprisingly vanish from the game..

Maybe medium mechs are more durable than lights?
Maybe those have more podspace also to make builds that work that are impossible to make in light mech (with full'ish armor and enough ammo)

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Posted 02 December 2021 - 05:56 AM

View PostMechaGnome, on 02 December 2021 - 05:11 AM, said:

Sounds like a plan.. But thats funny Medium mechs didn't surprisingly vanish from the game..

That's because typical medium 'Mechs carry more armor and have more structure, and they are better armed than typical light 'Mechs.

It is you who wants light 'Mechs to be 2-3 times bigger than they are. The result would be a class of technically light 'Mechs, but with the weak armament of a light 'Mech, thin armor of a light 'Mech and the Assault 'Mech's size.

How often do you actually play light 'Mechs to test your theory that playing light 'Mechs is so advantageous?





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