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[shameless]

just give me the Crusader, then I'll give you money again. Everything else is just useless noise.

[Wid1046]

Saved By The Bell, on 13 December 2021 - 08:38 AM, said:

Jagermech was one of my best mechs, until they did its body weak. No need arms when your torso is made of glass.

My interpretation of the Jagermech changes is that the Cauldron seems to be trying to overall buff them without making them overpowered. I expect that they'll see a slight drop in performance instead, but if that is the case they'll just undo some of the torso nerfs later.

This won't be the last patch they make, so some trial and error changes are fine. You won't be able to make improvements if you're too afraid of making a mistake to change anything. There are several chassis and variants that got buffs in previous patches that are still pretty awful; they'll be looked at again and hopefully be closer to being viable. And if those changes aren't enough to make them viable, or go too far and make them overpowered, then they can be altered again.

[Doc Cernunnos]

Not too excited about the changes to the jagers. Love getting ammo quirks, but really dislike getting forced to use a specific weapon system with variants to take advantage of the bonus. This is a disincentive to experiment with different load outs, which is half the fun in this game.

Of the jager builds currently occupying my bays this pass makes the viability of one of them questionable, and slightly benefits two others. . We will see how the armor / structure (it is an overall net loss) changes work out. . .

Overall, not too happy with this pass.

EDIT TO ADD:

Thank you for the new map!!

EDIT AFTER UPDATE:

I was wrong. The extra ammo is worth it (can now do 4 AC 5s without ammo limitations) and my guilty pleasure dual gauss build I thought would be ruined just moved from the S variant to the A variant and is EVEN BETTER NOW! Faster cooldown and more range. . . Now, if only we could get more gauss ammo for jagers. . .

Edited by Doc Cernunnos, 14 December 2021 - 04:52 PM.

[Big-G]

Ch_R0me, on 13 December 2021 - 05:45 AM, said:

Looks like very low-res textures.


Are you aware, what you're asking?





You mech-jock, count me in!

This would only work well if the SRM pods were gyroscopically stabilized to keep them level and not point skyward or in the dirt while moving.

[Appuagab]

Dual AC-20 Jager is finally back? Nice.

[Cyrilis]

Cyrilis, on 12 December 2021 - 04:48 AM, said:

Just to double check:
Any news on the missing AMS Hardpoint UM-R80, right shoulder? Announcement post https://mwomercs.com...rewards-program
states there will be one, but it's missing ingame.

So, I contacted support on this (thanks to martian for the hint). AMS hardpoint on UM-R80 is in queue for fixing!

[D V Devnull]

Wid1046, on 13 December 2021 - 06:08 AM, said:

The buff to the MLX-Prime LT should be moved to the LA or So8. Right now it'll just buff the meta B RA, ED LA missile build. This gives no reason to break away from that meta and is just a straight buff to it since no other LT has any quirks other than armor (and the Prime LT has the same armor quirk as all the others).

I could whistle you a tune on this one, which would probably get interrupted by my being surprised in several ways... Want to know why? Because it happens that I had already suggested this Extra 25% Missile Ammo Quirk @ https://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/281797-patch-notes-142480-23-november-2021/page__view__findpost__p__6434986 as a Left Arm thing, albeit that it looks like it might have met with a "Corrupt-A-Wish Genie" of some kind... I had no idea that they would see it as something to make open to more OmniPod combinations, particularly when I was trying to avoid causing an OverPowered Build situation and maintain some respectful give-and-take to design choices. But, it looks as though I might not have foreseen something which caused The Cauldron to broaden the effect beyond that singular OmniPod's scope. Let's hope that since the change could partially be blamed on me, then it might work out for the best, eh?

And as for adding the Extra 25% Missile Ammo Quirk to the So8 pack alone, it happens that I would not recommend doing such. That kind of action would actively punish people for not limiting their Build in rather detrimental manners, and I think we want to avoid landing most of the MLX's Variants back into obscurity through what Quirks are being allocated. The trick here is to promote Build Variety instead of restricting things, but without making an OverPowered Meta start appearing.

Although it leaves me to wonder, what would those of The Cauldron end up doing if the "MLX-I" got introduced into MWO's available options? We certainly do not want to end up back in an era of Negative Quirks ever having need of presence.

~D. V. "Gets how 'Wid1046' feels on some MLX LTs getting the 25% Extra Missile Ammo" Devnull




[Minor Edit by the Post Author due to a Formatting Flub-Up happening...]

Edited by D V Devnull, 14 December 2021 - 05:19 AM.

[Kodan Black]

Yay new map day!

[The Testiclops]

Leave CERLL's alone or buff the ShadowCat.. I'm so tried of my favorite build sucking *** then doing well and back and forth we go.

Edited by The Testiclops, 14 December 2021 - 10:58 AM.

[Duskwing]

Great job with the new map, I like it! It's like Hellebore Springs in a natural state, before someone installed a big gun emplacement and terraformed the place to make it into a more defensible area. Far more vertical a place for jumpjetting, but also has deeeeep canyons which to fall to your death if you're not careful. ^^

Noticed that there's a map boundary thingie in C7 corner, where you go out of bounds before hitting the redline... Just when you get up on those orange pools of water up there. Also in B3 there's the old gate generator hanging in air, but that's easy to spot and probably know thingie.

Beoynd that... Seen just small scrubs of grass hanging a bit in air, but all in all looks really good. : )

[Saved By The Bell]

Well, new map is hard.

[Lifeblight]

So the Summoner only gets the extra ammo with a set of 8?

[BigBadVlad]

Hellebore OutPost C8/C7 there's like some waterfall pools that are in bounds on the map but if jump up there out of bounds, boom! Took me less than 10 minutes to find......

Edited by BigBadVlad, 14 December 2021 - 02:54 PM.

[P H O T O N]

New map is brilliant! Thanks PGI

[IronWolfPack64]

New map looks Beautiful and dynamic thanks PGI! (Still fix the bugs tho, I want to snipe from on top of the waterfalls)

[VLADIVOSTOK DV]

Карта великолепна. Это потрясающе.
The map is great. It's amazing.

[martian]

Saved By The Bell, on 14 December 2021 - 12:38 PM, said:

Well, new map is hard.

Some effort will be needed to learn this map.

[Rizzi Kell]

STOP THIS STUPID BUFFING ONE SIDE PREFERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS FOR KILLING FACTIONPLAY

[martian]

Rizzi Kell, on 15 December 2021 - 01:00 PM, said:

STOP THIS STUPID BUFFING ONE SIDE PREFERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS FOR KILLING FACTIONPLAY

If you could add some more details, please.

[pattonesque]

Rizzi Kell, on 15 December 2021 - 01:00 PM, said:

STOP THIS STUPID BUFFING ONE SIDE PREFERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS FOR KILLING FACTIONPLAY

which side is hard buffed in your opinion and why