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#21 C337Skymaster

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 06:20 PM

View PostTamerlin, on 20 May 2022 - 04:01 PM, said:

I assume all of my import/export skill files will need to be redone. It would be nice to have that confirmed/denied.

I don't mean the actual skill tree for each mech, but the "Import" and "Export" buttons in the bottom right.

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I can confirm that the Save/Load files will be invalid and you'll need to completely redo them. I don't know for sure about the import/export codes, but despite not being a betting man, I'd still bet real money that those would be invalid as well.

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 06:23 PM

View PostMatt Newman, on 20 May 2022 - 05:17 PM, said:

We tried this and it was horrible. Making players fix their own orphaned nodes would have been the worst possible option.
This automatic Orphan relock and refund is the best option to keep player skill trees intact and allow them to reskill on a mech by mech basis.

Huh... I guess that I'll be paying considerable attention to the Re-Lock & Refund Info when the incoming Patch hits. Unlike many others, I'm unfortunately a rather object-oriented person (and would not be surprised if I'm not the only one around here) at times. To have all the Skill Nodes snap out of place is going to massively disorient me, as I thought I would get to visually collect information and then reconfigure to follow the new system based on it. I suppose it will be a small journey to get my Mechs all tuned up again. :unsure:

I'm guessing it also caused a massive headache with trying to code things properly too? :wacko:


View PostMatt Newman, on 20 May 2022 - 05:17 PM, said:

This 5 GSP per mech injection is on top of what you already have.

Cool... I'll be looking forward to the ~1500+ GSP bump in my case. :)

And also a big THANK YOU for replying and giving constructive feedback & thoughts! It's very much appreciated! ^_^



View PostMatt Newman, on 20 May 2022 - 05:17 PM, said:

PTS is snapshot of live data from a point in time with us modifying values for testing purposes. Its pretty clearly stated in the PTS news post that Live and PTS do not carry purchases earnings or changes over.

As Mitch Hedberg so expertly observed "My friend showed me a photo and said "Here's a picture of me when I was younger". Every picture is of you when you were younger."

View PostGlockObi, on 20 May 2022 - 05:20 PM, said:

The test server did not copy your resources, they gave piles of MC, C-Bills, and GSP to everyone to play with.

I don't know why anyone would lose General Skill Points, nothing would use them and they are already there, so no copying involved. You will get an injection of mechs owned x 5 GSP. That's it.

My apologies to both of you on this part. I was used to how they handled the resource data on the PTS about four years ago, when I was last able to get into one. The previous folk setting up the PTS had this thing about adding the extra on top of the amounts at the time of snapshot. I guess that I got too familiar with that, and it threw off my perception of things. :(



View Postw0qj, on 20 May 2022 - 05:52 PM, said:

Wow, MWO/PGI so player/customer friendly?
I'm not used to this!
Please note that I'm *not* complaining! Posted Image

*Thank you PGI & MWO* !

And also does PGI's 'Matt Newman' from the MWO Team get an additional thanks here, as he replied back and settled most of the confusion in my head. If he can do more of keeping this up, plus 'Daeron Katz' along with him, and maintain an open channel with the whole crowd, then there's a reasonable high chance that MWO can make some real steps forward in terms of Community and enjoyment for all. Transparency and friendliness are critical if any company does not want to lose the Community of people which are present, so it's a big win for all involved! :D



~D. V. "Full of Thoughts, Thanks, and Apologies about the incoming Skill Tree Changes" Devnull

#23 The6thMessenger

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 06:41 PM

Does this mean PTS is over?

Duuude, please, try the 0% jam UACs of Navid.

#24 Agent Super Chicken

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 06:50 PM

The 5 GSP per mech is a good start... but did you add more cup holders?

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 08:19 PM

So, it is 5 things to do:

1. Sell all your junk.
2. Buy as many FLEA FLE-FA as you can.
3. Get 5 GSP for every 'Mech you own.
4. Sell your Flea for 567 389 c-bills.
5. Own 5 GSP for 593 429 c-bills.

Edited by CL4M, 20 May 2022 - 08:41 PM.


#26 Groutknoll

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 08:43 PM

THAT"S OVER 9000 GSP !!!!!

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#27 -Ramrod-

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 09:08 PM

That's close to 3000 GSP for me :).

#28 Big-G

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 09:09 PM

I just hope the 5 GSP per mech will help with breaking mastered mechs post patch...

with over 710 mechs, I'd say the extra 3550+ GSP will be nice :D

#29 Horseman

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Posted 20 May 2022 - 10:21 PM

5 GSP per mech? That's an easy 2300 GSP for me :)

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 01:41 AM

Sorry, but I'm beginning to get worried . .
  • Huge boost in communication
  • Positive changes in UI
  • Improved snagging of new maps
  • Use of PTS

Can we be certain that the PGI staff haven't been abducted by aliens and strange, helpful, alternative staff put back as replacements?!

Keep going like this and I'll be forced to start spending real life cash again :)

#31 Meep Meep

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 01:44 AM

The first one needs to be changed to this or else your gonna get a ton of complaints.

[color=#00FFFF]01 - Your old skill trees will still work as long as you don't enter the skill tab.[/color]

#32 Buenaventura

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 01:45 AM

Only about 1k extra GSP for me, but I hardly use them anyway.
OK, I'll probably use some for mechs I want to play again that don't have enough XP reserved.

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 01:50 AM

View PostTamerlin, on 20 May 2022 - 04:01 PM, said:

I assume all of my import/export skill files will need to be redone. It would be nice to have that confirmed/denied.
I don't mean the actual skill tree for each mech, but the "Import" and "Export" buttons in the bottom right.

On the PTS it was not possible to import skill files that had been created with the current game build (attempting to do so resulted in some "invalid format" error).

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 02:29 AM

View PostCL4M, on 20 May 2022 - 08:19 PM, said:

So, it is 5 things to do:

1. Sell all your junk.
2. Buy as many FLEA FLE-FA as you can.
3. Get 5 GSP for every 'Mech you own.
4. Sell your Flea for 567 389 c-bills.
5. Own 5 GSP for 593 429 c-bills.


don’t know why you’d ever do this when there is a completely free way to fill up your mechbays….


#35 D V Devnull

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 05:50 AM

View Postcazeral, on 21 May 2022 - 01:41 AM, said:

Can we be certain that the PGI staff haven't been abducted by aliens and strange, helpful, alternative staff put back as replacements?!

I can confirm during the May-Hem Events & Sales that they have not... Otherwise the UM-R80 Variant would have ended up being back on the Sale Rack for one more go, firstly because the (C-Bills) amount never got the 50% Off discounting which it was supposed to have during its' Sale time, and then secondly because the two or three times at which I tried to raise the alarm were not heeded... kind of annoyed about that one here... <_<

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 06:50 AM

I'm impressed with the way you all are doing this change. It seems a bit more complicated than just returning GSP and reskilling, but it is well thought out. Thank you for your hard work.Posted Image

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 07:00 AM

I play MWO late at night for more than I would like to admit...

So for my favorite ANH-2A that's been tweaked to just the way I like it,
just one accidental press of the [Skill] tab is enough to reset my mech skill trees...

And I need to keep myself from accidentally pressing [Skill] forever?
1-2 months, maybe.
But longer than that, there's a rather nasty chance I'll accidental press of the [Skill] tab and reset my mech skill trees...

(Guess it's too late for MWO to act on this by now)


View PostMeep Meep, on 21 May 2022 - 01:44 AM, said:

The first one needs to be changed to this or else your gonna get a ton of complaints.

[color=#00FFFF]01 - Your old skill trees will still work as long as you don't enter the skill tab.[/color]


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Posted 21 May 2022 - 07:09 AM

View PostCL4M, on 20 May 2022 - 08:19 PM, said:

So, it is 5 things to do:

1. Sell all your junk.
2. Buy as many FLEA FLE-FA as you can.
3. Get 5 GSP for every 'Mech you own.
4. Sell your Flea for 567 389 c-bills.
5. Own 5 GSP for 593 429 c-bills.


im definately gonna fill up my empty mechbays.

Edited by LordNothing, 21 May 2022 - 07:09 AM.


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Posted 21 May 2022 - 12:12 PM

View PostInnerSphereNews, on 20 May 2022 - 03:39 PM, said:

05 - Everyone gets 5 GSP per mech they own.


Love this.

I do wonder though, do those of us who pre-ordered the Crusader count as "owning" them when the injection rolls around...

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Posted 21 May 2022 - 04:38 PM

PGI,

This looks like an amazing fix! Thank you very much for handling it this way!





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