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[crazytimes]

BelligerentEngine, on 25 September 2022 - 03:33 AM, said:

The issue isn't me, but that I feel like t3 is a wall that potentially discourages new players. I feel like the entire PSR system should be scrapped and matchmaking should work based on recent performance, so if you eat sh*t for enough games in a row you get thrown into a match where you'll do better and have some fun.

But... tier isn't a goal. You get absolutely nothing for increased tier except harder matchmaking. It's mostly the diehards that are salty their XP bar under the previous overly generous PSR scoring is gone that try and convince people it means anything else.

Tier 3 is not a wall. It is the tier with lowest wait time for matches and most opponent diversity.

[Meep Meep]

Yep. The higher the tier the longer the wait times and the saltier the voip.

[MrMadguy]

This is terrible. Games are unplayable in Tier 3. Constant stomps. And it's hard to drop to Tier4, as I still do my best in Tier 3 matches. It's simple math. One good match in Tier 4 allows me to advance too far to Tier 3 and then it's hard to drop back. Just a few good matches several days ago allowed me to advance to Tier 3 a little bit. And it has taken 3-4 days to drop back. Then just one match in Tier 4 and I got back to unplayable Tier 3.

This is just unfair. Some Tier 1 guys are allowed to get better rewards and better leaderboard positions via seal clubbing, while Tier 3 guys get 100MS for match and therefore it takes ages to complete event.

This should be stopped. Tier 1 guys should play against Tier 1 guys only. Long queues is their problem. Just stop it. Block advancing to Tier 3 for me. I don't belong to there.

[Nightbird]

MrMadguy, on 01 October 2022 - 10:46 AM, said:

This is terrible. Games are unplayable in Tier 3. Constant stomps. And it's hard to drop to Tier4, as I still do my best in Tier 3 matches. It's simple math. One good match in Tier 4 allows me to advance too far to Tier 3 and then it's hard to drop back. Just a few good matches several days ago allowed me to advance to Tier 3 a little bit. And it has taken 3-4 days to drop back. Then just one match in Tier 4 and I got back to unplayable Tier 3.

This is just unfair. Some Tier 1 guys are allowed to get better rewards and better leaderboard positions via seal clubbing, while Tier 3 guys get 100MS for match and therefore it takes ages to complete event.

This should be stopped. Tier 1 guys should play against Tier 1 guys only. Long queues is their problem. Just stop it. Block advancing to Tier 3 for me. I don't belong to there.

MM doesn't create good matches. Just play a flamer narc stealth support build so you help your team.

[Meep Meep]

MrMadguy, on 01 October 2022 - 10:46 AM, said:

This is terrible. Games are unplayable in Tier 3. Constant stomps. And it's hard to drop to Tier4, as I still do my best in Tier 3 matches. It's simple math. One good match in Tier 4 allows me to advance too far to Tier 3 and then it's hard to drop back. Just a few good matches several days ago allowed me to advance to Tier 3 a little bit. And it has taken 3-4 days to drop back. Then just one match in Tier 4 and I got back to unplayable Tier 3.

This is just unfair. Some Tier 1 guys are allowed to get better rewards and better leaderboard positions via seal clubbing, while Tier 3 guys get 100MS for match and therefore it takes ages to complete event.

This should be stopped. Tier 1 guys should play against Tier 1 guys only. Long queues is their problem. Just stop it. Block advancing to Tier 3 for me. I don't belong to there.

Regular blowouts happen in all tiers. It happens faster in higher tiers because the players can identify the snowball moment faster and exploit it.

[MrMadguy]

Tier 3 is:
1) Long queue times
2) OP 'Mechs, you should never meet, as they should advance to higher tiers quickly
3) Constant deathballs
4) Constant stomps
5) Playing on bad maps, cuz tryhards pick them just for lulz

I don't want other players to get fun at my expense. This is unfair, sorry.

P.S. It's pointless. Same thing happens in Tier 4. This game is dead.

Edited by MrMadguy, 02 October 2022 - 10:10 AM.

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

Tier 3 is:
1) Long queue times

Compare it with some instances of T1 players waiting for the game, when the matchmaker is attempting to locate other T1s. For the matchmaker, finding other T3s is easier and shorter.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

2) OP 'Mechs, you should never meet, as they should advance to higher tiers quickly

Sorry, but all 'Mechs from the MWO Store with all possible loadouts are perfectly valid for the Quick Play.

And of course, you can buy any "OP 'Mech" for yourself.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

3) Constant deathballs

All Tiers have their deathballs. Players form them because it is often a quite effective and simple tactics.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

4) Constant stomps

All Tiers have their stomps. So-called "snowballing" happens in all Tiers.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

5) Playing on bad maps, cuz tryhards pick them just for lulz

Name such maps, please.

And by the way, what is a "bad map" for you could be considered to be a good map by other players

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

I don't want other players to get fun at my expense. This is unfair, sorry.

Do you have the same feelings when you kill some Tier 5 player who struggles with WASD?

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

P.S. It's pointless. Same thing happens in Tier 4. This game is dead.

And yet, the players are logging in day after day, year after year.

Edited by martian, 02 October 2022 - 11:35 AM.

[Dr Wubs]

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

Tier 3 is:
1) Long queue times
2) OP 'Mechs, you should never meet, as they should advance to higher tiers quickly
3) Constant deathballs
4) Constant stomps
5) Playing on bad maps, cuz tryhards pick them just for lulz

I don't want other players to get fun at my expense. This is unfair, sorry.

P.S. It's pointless. Same thing happens in Tier 4. This game is dead.

You're claiming that all of that is unique to tier 3?

OP Mechs appear in all tiers. Hence there is no such thing.

I still don't think new players should start in tier 3. I don't really understand why any old players would really really really want new players to start in tier 3.

But, beyond that, the claims here about tier 3 are getting silly.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

Tier 3 is:
1) Long queue times

You're whining about long queues when you log in way outside normal play time. Am i remembering correctly that you play during russian primetime? Not exactly a popular time zone to be playing this game.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

2) OP 'Mechs, you should never meet, as they should advance to higher tiers quickly

This is incoherent. You have it in your power to play good mechs. if you choose not to, you handicap yourself. That is not a call to hump the meta its a call to understand the game. Considering you spend about 40% of your time on the forum screaming about light mechs, you evidently, don't understand the game.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

3) Constant deathballs

Happens in all tiers. The game has no respawns and weak objectives. If you die, you immediately get kicked out of the actual gameplay, so being the first to go down is deeply punishing. It incentivizes balling up because thats the best way to not be the first one to die.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

4) Constant stomps

Anecdote. Not backed up by data.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

5) Playing on bad maps, cuz tryhards pick them just for lulz

Anecdote. Not backed up by any known data.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

I don't want other players to get fun at my expense. This is unfair, sorry.

This is a competitive game. For you to win, someone has to lose, and for someone else to win, you have to lose. If you feel you are losing too much, that is entirely within your power to change, but again, as was mentioned above, given your posting history, you evidently don't understand this game, and have no desire to learn, so you will continue to struggle to perform.

MrMadguy, on 02 October 2022 - 09:46 AM, said:

P.S. It's pointless. Same thing happens in Tier 4. This game is dead.

The game isn't dead, you just suck.

The common thread in every single one of your posts is that you refuse to engage in any form of meaningful introspection. Gameplay struggles have to be blamed on externalities, whether thats players you believe are cheating, using unfair mechs and strategies, or the game somehow directly punishing you, because so long as you refuse to acknowledge that your own performance in game is 80% your personal responsibility, you'll never be able to face the reality that you just need to take time, and actually learn the game again.

Im firmly a tier 3 player, at best. I don't claim to be a competitive god. I am not that great at clicking on bad robots. If i'm able to acknowledge this, then you should be able to. Stop making these posts, they help nobody; you least of all.

[w0qj]

OP, just take a deep breath, and chill out!

The most important thing is to have fun.
It does not matter what PSR Tier you are currently in; as long as you're having fun, you'll be fine!
And dare I venture to suggest that you might well get a fat wad full of CBills while you're having your MWO fun too!

I'm proudly T4/T3...and having fun!
I get to T3, then die due to frequent leveling up of semi-skilled...cough...Platinum mechs

[JudauAshta]

higher tier has way more tryhards and nascar nonsense

u can do troll builds easily in lower tiers and have fun

[MrMadguy]

Had to play for whole day yesterday to finally complete 2xFree 'Mechs event and stop playing. Yeah, 2x reward is nice, but it puts 2x pressure on players. Especially when matchmaking is so bad, that every match is stomp, so I deal < 200dmg. I don't think, that PGI should repeat this experiment. They should fix their matchmaking first. Or, if it's not possible - they should provide compensation to players for playing against wrong Tier. +50% rewards per Tier. Or may be +100%?

[Flea King Fleappuccino]

Matchmaking is broken. Either there is no attempt to balance, or it's doing it very poorly, and possibly even intentionally trying to create one winning team and one losing team.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 03 October 2022 - 12:35 AM, said:

Had to play for whole day yesterday to finally complete 2xFree 'Mechs event and stop playing. Yeah, 2x reward is nice, but it puts 2x pressure on players. Especially when matchmaking is so bad, that every match is stomp, so I deal < 200dmg. I don't think, that PGI should repeat this experiment. They should fix their matchmaking first. Or, if it's not possible - they should provide compensation to players for playing against wrong Tier. +50% rewards per Tier. Or may be +100%?

Are you going to address any of what anyone has said or are you going to continue to post what may as well be pure lies?

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 03 October 2022 - 12:35 AM, said:

Had to play for whole day yesterday to finally complete 2xFree 'Mechs event and stop playing. Yeah, 2x reward is nice, but it puts 2x pressure on players. Especially when matchmaking is so bad, that every match is stomp, so I deal < 200dmg. I don't think, that PGI should repeat this experiment. They should fix their matchmaking first. Or, if it's not possible - they should provide compensation to players for playing against wrong Tier. +50% rewards per Tier. Or may be +100%?

You have not answered any of my points that I made in my previous post. But nevermind.

However, your last suggestion has caught my eye: "They should provide compensation to players for playing against wrong Tier. +50% rewards per Tier. Or may be +100%?"

If your team includes players from T1, T2, T3, T4 and maybe T5 and the enemy team contains the same hodge-podge of players of various skill levels ... then I am afraid that everything averages out and your special compensation would be ⁺/- 0%.

[crazytimes]

MrMadguy, on 03 October 2022 - 12:35 AM, said:

Had to play for whole day yesterday to finally complete 2xFree 'Mechs event and stop playing. Yeah, 2x reward is nice, but it puts 2x pressure on players. Especially when matchmaking is so bad, that every match is stomp, so I deal &lt; 200dmg. I don't think, that PGI should repeat this experiment. They should fix their matchmaking first. Or, if it's not possible - they should provide compensation to players for playing against wrong Tier. +50% rewards per Tier. Or may be +100%?

You... know its a game right? You don't have to play. I play 90% of my matches in between doing laundry, cooking, and household stuff because they're 5 minute time fillers. If you feel obligated to play then you're doing recreation wrong. The mechs are available for chills.

[martian]

crazytimes, on 03 October 2022 - 10:44 AM, said:

You... know its a game right? You don't have to play. I play 90% of my matches in between doing laundry, cooking, and household stuff because they're 5 minute time fillers. If you feel obligated to play then you're doing recreation wrong. The mechs are available for chills.

Also, there can be some moments when the harder you try something, the less successful you are. I wonder if that could be the OP's case.

[MrMadguy]

martian, on 03 October 2022 - 09:05 AM, said:

You have not answered any of my points that I made in my previous post. But nevermind.

However, your last suggestion has caught my eye: "They should provide compensation to players for playing against wrong Tier. +50% rewards per Tier. Or may be +100%?"

If your team includes players from T1, T2, T3, T4 and maybe T5 and the enemy team contains the same hodge-podge of players of various skill levels ... then I am afraid that everything averages out and your special compensation would be ⁺/- 0%.

Rewards are personal, not team-based. If Tier 1 guy plays against Tier 1 guy or Tier 5 guy plays against Tier 5 guy - they get some average rewards. But if Tier 1 guy plays against Tier 5 guy - he gets rewards above average, while Tier 5 guy - below it. This should be compensated.

[Glymbol]

Think about it, you are complaining that tier 3 is unplayable, so the reasoning should be, go down to tier 4. The compensation would only make things worse because weaker performing players wouldn't be able to drop to lower tiers.

[MrMadguy]

Glymbol, on 04 October 2022 - 01:47 AM, said:

Think about it, you are complaining that tier 3 is unplayable, so the reasoning should be, go down to tier 4. The compensation would only make things worse because weaker performing players wouldn't be able to drop to lower tiers.

Tiers are devalued. All unskilled players are pushed down further and further, because Tier 1/2 guys are allowed to play in lower Tiers. I'm 50% player. I should be in mid Tier 3. But I'm in Tier 4 now. You go to Tier 4 -> Tier 1 guys in Tier 3 have longer queues -> release valves are opened -> same thing happens in Tier 4 -> you go to Tier 5, where there is no lower Tier to go to.

Edited by MrMadguy, 04 October 2022 - 03:05 AM.