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[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 24 December 2024 - 08:16 AM, said:

Stop telling me, that I should learn something to continue playing this game.

Then commit to having a bad time forever. This is your one, and only problem.

[Void Angel]

Ah, back to Tier 4, I see. Unfortunately, Tier 4 matches aren't so hard; it's as simple as that. You may be having problems with your match performance - but that is a you issue. You refuse to accept build advice, and scream like a spoiled toddler if you think you're being "told what to play," or to learn anything. As if your skillset is sufficient for whatever results you desire, just because you want them. If Tier 4 matches are too hard, then just keep playing your way downward to Tier 5, since that is literally where you belong if Tier 4 is too difficult.

But don't think you've succeeded in misdirecting me. You just now claimed that the matchmaker is punishing you - and ruining the game for everyone, remember - by including a bunch of Tier mismatches. But now you claim that you don't care who the players are, it's just that "Tier 4 is so hard." This is another Mot and Bailey defense - I've seen clumsier executions, but you're not that good at it either. Try introspection and being honest with yourself instead of just arguing to delude yourself that you're right.

I'm going to keep on telling you what you need to do to fix yourself as a player for as long as you keep whining about your bad performance as a player. You're barely an overall average player, who doesn't understand statistics. We know that about half of all players are Tier 5; Tier 4 is next, with even fewer in Tier 3, etc. This means that if you are higher ranked than 51% of the population, you are probably a Tier 5 player. If not, you're lower Tier 4 by performance. So don't tell me that the reason you're having to work hard in Tier 4 is how BrOKeN tHe MaTChMAKeR iS. Your problem is you: your intransigent refusal to learn anything or adapt to other players' tactics and strategy make your matches hard.

The fact that your problem is purely your own self-sabotage is demonstrated by your own current performance. You can, when motivated, perform at a level that gets you to Tier 3 briefly, before you bounce off that skill ceiling and go back to Tier 4 matches. You didn't change your builds; you certainly didn't learn anything from the people trying to give you advice - you just altered some of your bad playing practices, screaming about the matchmaker all the way.

It's like you're running a footrace in platform shoes - refusing to learn running form and yelling "don't tell me what to wear!" when someone suggests better shoes - then screaming that the race division system is broken because you have to work super hard to keep up with the other runners in your races.

Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. The matchmaker is fine.

[Bud Crue]

MrMadguy, on 24 December 2024 - 07:25 AM, said:

"MM doesn't punish you specifically" is the same thing, as "RNG doesn't punish you specifically". Well, there ways for both RNG and MM to, dunno how to explain it better, punish players via non-obvious and sometimes even unintended ways. For example filling whole Tier 4 team by Tier 1 players, while I'm only true Tier 3 player there = punishing me.

This sort of "punishment" is frankly worse in the higher tiers. Occasionally, I will see Cauldron members, well known comp players, streamers with their buddies stacked up on the other team where as the likes of me and mine are all on the other. Oh, well.

Speaking of punishment, it seems to me your problem may be that your emphasis on playing assaults is the problem. This suggests that you might not be very good at positioning, which is probably thee most important aspect of play (maybe just above having patience). Maybe playing something a little more mobile might help your level of enjoyment and perhaps get you slightly better results. Just slightly better results is all it takes to move up in the tiers (if that's what you are trying to accomplish). I know this, because in comparing our stats, I'm just barely less bad at this game then you are, and yet even I made it to tier 1.

Edited by Bud Crue, 24 December 2024 - 11:07 AM.

[MrMadguy]

Bud Crue, on 24 December 2024 - 11:07 AM, said:

This sort of "punishment" is frankly worse in the higher tiers. Occasionally, I will see Cauldron members, well known comp players, streamers with their buddies stacked up on the other team where as the likes of me and mine are all on the other. Oh, well.

Speaking of punishment, it seems to me your problem may be that your emphasis on playing assaults is the problem. This suggests that you might not be very good at positioning, which is probably thee most important aspect of play (maybe just above having patience). Maybe playing something a little more mobile might help your level of enjoyment and perhaps get you slightly better results. Just slightly better results is all it takes to move up in the tiers (if that's what you are trying to accomplish). I know this, because in comparing our stats, I'm just barely less bad at this game then you are, and yet even I made it to tier 1.

Assaults' problem is actually very simple. Current Meta - is peek-poking and Assaults are just way too slow for it. Their Meta is broken and has always was. Lots of armor should allow them to tank damage, but ability to do pinpoint damage voids armor advantage.

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 24 December 2024 - 11:02 PM, said:

Assaults' problem is actually very simple. Current Meta - is peek-poking and Assaults are just way too slow for it. Their Meta is broken and has always was. Lots of armor should allow them to tank damage, but ability to do pinpoint damage voids armor advantage.

The last time I checked, Assault-class 'Mechs were the strongest 'Mechs in the game, outperforming all other weight classes.

So much for your whinning how weak Assault-class 'Mechs are ...

[Void Angel]

Assaults can aim, too.

Well, other assaults - apparently not you, according to your own testimony. Being fast allows Lights to mitigate incoming damage, to a degree, but they mostly mitigate it by not being where the Assault knows about or expects them to be. NO competent Light pilot is trying to peek-trade with an Assault. Assaults' massive firepower advantage means that a Light only has to lose a trade once to be combat ineffective. My favorite Fafnir has a 100 point SNUAC alpha. The last time I played it, I merked three 'mechs in the first 2 minutes of combat - two of them Lights. After that, the enemy routed so fast that I actually lost match score because I couldn't get any more shots.

The only Assault pilots who have trouble with getting helplessly picked apart by Lights are the pilots who refuse to spend enough time piloting Lights to learn how they operate and - oh, wait, that's you!

Edited by Void Angel, 25 December 2024 - 08:38 AM.

[Saved By The Bell]

I got my Ace of Spades yesterday.

By the way, where is Torsie.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 24 December 2024 - 11:02 PM, said:

Assaults' problem is actually very simple. Current Meta - is peek-poking and Assaults are just way too slow for it. Their Meta is broken and has always was. Lots of armor should allow them to tank damage, but ability to do pinpoint damage voids armor advantage.

In other words you continue to insist your performance isn't your responsibility. Again the only logical conclusion an honest person can make based on this is that you are absolutely committed to never learning, and never changing the way you play, so you are going to have a bad time forever because of it.

The solution to your problems has been all but stapled to your forehead, what you do about that is entirely your responsibility.

[kalashnikity]

You can have good, cheap, and fast, but you can only pick two.

You can have quick match maker with poor tier matching, or you can have slow matchmaker with good tier matching.

This is a Law of Physics.

[Xetelian]

To fix matching make I suggest

1, You buy a 8+ ballistic assault mech
If clan put on Protos 2 or if less than 8 maybe mix in some proto 4
If IS get a similar mehc an duse Light 5s to the hSL limit or actual 5s

2. run at least 56kph and rush to front line so you don't get left behind

3. Hold back while team sets up and then find a target and do 700 damage to it

I could show you a tutorial on a new account but after all these years you are the reason you're in tier 4
The various discords for twitch streamers can easily be found and if you find me I am more than willing to drop with you and give you tips

[Void Angel]

Saved By The Bell, on 25 December 2024 - 10:27 AM, said:

I got my Ace of Spades yesterday.

By the way, where is Torsie.

Congratulations!

[MrMadguy]

Mediums aren't OP at all, yeah. So nice to play against 93% rating guy in bottom of Tier 3 match. I hate shorty Lights/Mediums, that are way too small for firepower they have. Shadow Cats, Cicadas, etc. are so popular exactly due to this obvious exploit.


Devs should understand one simple thing. My mental health is enough to play 1 such match only. If they want me to play continuously - they shouldn't do it.

Edited by MrMadguy, 27 December 2024 - 01:25 AM.

[RockmachinE]

Shadow cats are a nuisance and shadow cat pilots are annoying. Looking at you Boris the tesla trooper...

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

Mediums aren't OP at all, yeah. So nice to play against 93% rating guy in bottom of Tier 3 match.

And that lad did a good job. Actually, I know him since he has been active here. Try to do your best to emulate him, instead of whining.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

I hate shorty Lights/Mediums, that are way too small for firepower they have. Shadow Cats, Cicadas, etc. are so popular exactly due to this obvious exploit.

"For firepower they have"? Seriously?

For example, the Shadow Cat can carry approximately 17 tons of weapons and equipment (depending on the exact loadout).

Your Highlander IIC carries some 50 tons of weapons. In other words, it carries more guns than the entire Shadow Cat weighs ....

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

Devs should understand one simple thing. My mental health is enough to play 1 such match only. If they want me to play continuously - they shouldn't do it.

LOL

You ended up on the winning side and you are still complaining.

[MrMadguy]

martian, on 27 December 2024 - 02:19 AM, said:

You ended up on the winning side and you are still complaining.

Lucky coincidence, that it was Assault and other Light pilot was skilled enough to draw this guy towards their base. If it would have been Skirmish - this guy would have killed us both, as he had killed ~3 'Mechs solo before that. You should clearly understand. This guy - is so called K/D farmer, who exploits certain 'Mechs/builds to farm kills. 100% legit tactic. Cuz unfortunately this game doesn't have any mechanics to prevent players from playing ER-LL boat Lights/Mediums, that can just run away around map for whole match. If you lose your opportunity to kill them at early stages of match - you're doomed. This is one of reasons, why I hate PVP. Because fair PVP is about unspoken agreement not to use "legit" exploits. Problem is - some players play according to "What isn't prohibited - is allowed". And all other players have to counter them somehow (for example all players should play laser-vomit to counter laser-vomit), that leads to unhealthy Meta. That's why we should have good matchmaker. If it's impossible to fix balance, then such guys should play against each other only instead of ruining game for other players.

Edited by MrMadguy, 27 December 2024 - 02:53 AM.

[Bud Crue]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

This guy - is so called K/D farmer, who exploits certain 'Mechs/builds to farm kills. 100% legit tactic...

So someone playing with effort and skill to try and win, excuse me,rather to "K/D farm" is somehow exploiting the game and ruining your experience? Lol.

OK, this is a true colors moment for me that I guess should have realized a few pages back: You are trolling us all with this nonsense.

Edited by Bud Crue, 27 December 2024 - 03:34 AM.

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

Lucky coincidence, that it was Assault and other Light pilot was skilled enough to draw this guy towards their base.

Make up your mind: "Lucky coincidence" or "skilled light pilot"?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

If it would have been Skirmish - this guy would have killed us both, as he had killed ~3 'Mechs solo before that.

Sounds legit. Killing enemy 'Mechs is the point of this game.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

You should clearly understand. This guy - is so called K/D farmer, ...

"K/D farmer"? You mean,a successful player?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

I hate shorty Lights/Mediums, that are way too small for firepower they have. Shadow Cats, Cicadas, etc. are so popular exactly due to this obvious exploit.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 02:31 AM, said:

... , who exploits certain 'Mechs/builds to farm kills.

Do not use words that you do not understand, please. Piloting light or medium 'Mechs is not an exploit. Not even if those light or medium 'Mechs are smaller than your assault 'Mech. And not even if they outrange you.

Your 'Mech's loadout is your responsibility.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

100% legit tactic.

Players are free to drop in any 'Mech that the game client lets them.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

Cuz unfortunately this game doesn't have any mechanics to prevent players from playing ER-LL boat Lights/Mediums, that can just run away around map for whole match.

And you can drop in any of your Assault-class 'Mechs loaded with as many Clan ER Large lasers or Clan ER PPCs as you can fit, and blast those enemy 'Mechs whenever you can see them.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

If you lose your opportunity to kill them at early stages of match - you're doomed.

Why? Enemy 'Mechs are free game right to the end of the game.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

This is one of reasons, why I hate PVP.

Go and buy MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries and MechWarrior 5: Clans. Or - if you prefer - buy MechWarrior 1, 2, 3 or 4.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

Because fair PVP is about unspoken agreement not to use "legit" exploits. Problem is - some players play according to "What isn't prohibited - is allowed".

Deploying in a 'Mech smaller than yours and armed with weapons, that outrange yours, is not an exploit.

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

And all other players have to counter them somehow (for example all players should play laser-vomit to counter laser-vomit), ...

Absolute nonsense.

Do you realize that you have for example various ballistic weapons such various autocannons or Gauss Rifles that have range comparable with lasers? And that your assault-class 'Mechs are quite suited for running heavy and bulky guns?

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

..., that leads to unhealthy Meta.

The fact that other players are more skilled than you is not "unhealthy Meta".

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 01:22 AM, said:

That's why we should have good matchmaker. If it's impossible to fix balance, then such guys should play against each other only instead of ruining game for other players.

If being in Tier 3 is too difficult for you, PSR will move you to some easier Tier soon. Everything is working as designed.

[epikt]

I haven't read the whole thread (who is crazy enough?), but previous page I see the OP posting (as "proof"?) a screenshot of a 12-11 game where everyone more or less pulled their weight, a game that from what I see appears perfectly balanced and was probably quite exciting. When I have such a match, my reaction is "waouh, nice game, gg everyone" and I think that this time the MM did its job.
And it is supposed to be the evidence something is wrong?

As for mediums and lights, as a mainly fast mech pilot, I feel attacked
One good thing about MWO is that most mechs are able to have an impact in the game, no matter the playstyle and class (it's not perfect by any mean, but the Cauldron is doing a great job giving everyone a chance). This is what is keeping the game fresh for me.
As for the two accused mechs, sure, the ShadowCat is one of the best chassis of the game, mostly due to the build diversity it can carry. But the Cicada? Damn this thing is niche and only played by few aficionados.

edit: according to the latest stats, Cicada isn't the less played medium, far from it... maybe I just don't meet them often, maybe I just don't see them because they don't have a big impact: 1.02 W/L and 0.98 K/D are not the best ratios.
Also, if you look at those stats, you'll notice green color is mostly a the heaviest side of the sheet => lights and mediums are not the best performers.

Edited by epikt, 27 December 2024 - 04:55 AM.

[MrMadguy]

Bud Crue, on 27 December 2024 - 03:34 AM, said:

So someone playing with effort and skill to try and win, excuse me,rather to "K/D farm" is somehow exploiting the game and ruining your experience? Lol.

OK, this is a true colors moment for me that I guess should have realized a few pages back: You are trolling us all with this nonsense.

K/D fetish - is unhealthy behavior, when guys play PVP game PVE way, i.e. don't like to die. Do you think it's correct way to play this game?

epikt, on 27 December 2024 - 04:46 AM, said:

I haven't read the whole thread (who is crazy enough?), but previous page I see the OP posting (as "proof"?) a screenshot of a 12-11 game where everyone more or less pulled their weight, a game that from what I see appears perfectly balanced and was probably quite exciting. When I have such a match, my reaction is "waouh, nice game, gg everyone" and I think that this time the MM did its job.
And it is supposed to be the evidence something is wrong?

As for mediums and lights, as a mainly fast mech pilot, I feel attacked
One good thing about MWO is that most mechs are able to have an impact in the game, no matter the playstyle and class (it's not perfect by any mean, but the Cauldron is doing a great job giving everyone a chance). This is what is keeping the game fresh for me.
As for the two accused mechs, sure, the ShadowCat is one of the best chassis of the game, mostly due to the build diversity it can carry. But the Cicada? Damn this thing is niche and only played by few aficionados.

edit: according to the latest stats, Cicada isn't the less played medium, far from it... maybe I just don't meet them often, maybe I just don't see them because they don't have a big impact: 1.02 W/L and 0.98 K/D are not the best ratios.
Also, if you look at those stats, you'll notice green color is mostly a the heaviest side of the sheet => lights and mediums are not the best performers.

You don't see whole picture. It was something like 11:6 and then this guy killed 4 'Mechs one after one, turning it into 11:10. It's just wrong, when some player can solo-win match for his team. We had such problem back in poptart abuse times. One Victor could solo-win match for his team. Guess what? JJs were nerfed after that. ER-LL/ER-PPC mediums are harder to nerf. Because it's not MW4 and we don't have sized hardpoints. May be negative quirks? Devs refuse to do it even in case of Piranhas.

Edited by MrMadguy, 27 December 2024 - 06:04 AM.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 27 December 2024 - 05:58 AM, said:

K/D fetish - is unhealthy behavior, when guys play PVP game PVE way, i.e. don't like to die. Do you think it's correct way to play this game?

You cant win every game man. This is a PVP multiplayer game. Sometimes you're going to get outplayed, and that's doubly true if you don't want to accept even the mildest constructive criticism or advice.