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[Scytale]

W0lfnMan, on 09 August 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Let's us pray to internet gods that you are right.

Well, if MWO, Hawken, and Reign of Thunder take off, I figure they'll either become quite big, all three of them, or more games will follow... right? Certainly hope so. Either option is preferable to mech extinction (mextinction?)~

[abetterpilot]

Reign of Thunder i will look at.
Hawken will have to see how much content it will have.
if you want content why abandon mercs4? over 100 mechs now, 9 elementals, 3each clan and is infantry, and well over 100 different weapons. 100s of maps and dozens of game styles?
but you know mwo will win over Hawken.

[ORIGINAL SteelWolf]

Vandal, on 02 August 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

HAWKEN WINS.

Fatality....

No beta key for you!

[AntiCitizenOne]

I really don't know what all the hate on Hawken is about. The audio and visuals are stunning, the soundtrack is great, and it looks like a fun game to play with friends after you've had a hard day.

The comparison to Armored Core is strange to me, seeing the only thing these games have in common are jump jets and, obviously, mechs. By this, you could say Armored Core is the same as MWO. For me personally, Hawken seems to be the right combination of speed and weight, allowing for interesting gameplay. The game also appeals to a wider audience. This is awesome news for people who have friends who aren't particularly fond of MechWarrior and would rather play Team Fortress 2 all day.

Just about every post on here is bashing the Hawken community without any reason... You can go on the forums (really the only Hawken community that exists) and see instantly that it's much more mature than people play it out to be. Of course, it's the player base that shapes a game's development and we can only hope that the CoD community is slow on the draw on this (and it should be as they're all circle jerking over Black Ops 2 atm). Why do you guys think it's impossible for "CoD kiddos" to migrate to MWO?

Hawken isn't even out of Alpha testing yet. It's sad to see it get all this hate when no one's played it yet and all we have to judge with are a few trailers.

[Adridos]

AntiCitizenOne, on 15 August 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Just about every post on here is bashing the Hawken community without any reason... You can go on the forums (really the only Hawken community that exists) and see instantly that it's much more mature than people play it out to be.

It's mostla a counter-reaction to the most people who, once saw MW:O, started screaming things like: "Rip-off of Hawken!", "Hawken is sooo much better.", "Boooring, I'll play a game for real men, Hawken!", etc.

We got pretty pissed at them and this is the result. Their forums and devs are normal, it's just that "junk" that made Hawken community bad in our eyes.

[AntiCitizenOne]

You see the same thing between BF3, CoD, and ArmA 2. It's just "trolling" (god, that's a stupid word) and no one really takes it seriously. Why should it be different in this case?

[Voridan Atreides]

Hawken looked more fast paced. I like both.

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 15 August 2012 - 05:06 PM.

[Joe3142]

Never really liked the look of Hawken....

MWO ALL THE WAY!!!!!!

[Razor Kotovsky]

Sounds like BF2 vs Q3 (graphics aside).

[Zakatak]

MWO and Hawken both look great. I believe they are making another Heavy Gear too!

Reign of Thunder on the other hand...

[Gowan]

Hawken looks like BF3 with mechs. I'll probably play both, but MWO has the advantage of looking much more tactical and measured than Hawken, which appears to be a robot-themed twitch shooter.

[Aescwulf]

We shouldn't Bash Hawken, as a FPS with Mechs it will appeal to the wider audience which after while if they like it try to find other mech games and then hopefully more Devs will see the delight for Mech games and hay presto the Mech genre is back in full force!

I've submitted for Hawken beta so I'll give it ago at least
Then there's the recently announced Heavy Gear game but can't really see much visuals on that game for at least a year or so

But I'll mainly play MWO because I like the sim aspect to it and the lore is highly extensive

[Joanna Conners]

Hawken looked decent and I was prepared to dive into it, then MWO was announced. All Hawken ever represented to me was a potential to fill the gap left by there being no new MechWarrior game.

It will never compare with the original. Younger gamers may flock to it, but MechWarrior was the definitive franchise of the 90s for most PC gamers.

[Gremlich Johns]

Hawken is just another Virtual-On with "you" inside it. Ostensibly just a power suit/Battle Armor game, albiet a LARGE suit/armor.

Kinda like Bubblegum Crisis for "Real" men.

[cinco]

arcade/run and gun/action fest appeal to those with a mental age of 12.

[Zakatak]

Morglum, on 03 August 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Hawken isnt a mech game, its another FPS wrapped up in giant robot skins for all the ADD kids out there that are tired of CoD.

That's pretty insulting for a game that appears to be a mix of Heavy Gear, Armored Core, and Battlefield. Putting it on the same level of CoD is just plain cruel. Get off your high horse. All the kids who try out Hawken are probably going to be overwhelmed with things like overheating, not killing in 2 shots, verticality, and the requirement of teamwork.

We should be thanking other recent mech games like Hawken and Reign of Thunder. Even if they don't interest you whatsoever (the latter looks like crap to me), they are bringing mechs back in business! A new Heavy Gear game was recently announced, and I bet if these games rock the market, tactical robotic warfare is back.

Edited by Zakatak, 19 August 2012 - 10:52 PM.

[Sere Sudae]

I gotta agree with everyone saying that Hawken is a "Mech FPS", and to those who wonder why we draw those conclusions while praising the faster pacing... the faster pacing is the givaway. We only need to watch the trailers to figure that out, just the way the vehicles move and behave in combat tell us all we need to know about how you control them. Instant-respond controls, and no (or very little) inertia. I mean the Hardsuits from Blacklight are more sim-y AND BLACKLIGHT IS ACTUALLY AN FPS.

Now, that 'Mech' qualifier in "Mech FPS' actually means something... but so does the FPS part. It wont be a sim. Do you walk forward, or do you actually set your throttle? Are you just strafing or actually moving 'forward' in one direction and aiming in another? They may seem like subtle differences but it really changes the feel and pace of the game. While playing Counterstrike may make you better at Call of Duty, playing Hawken isnt going to make you better at MWO, in fact maybe the opposite.

MWO and MWLL captured some very important parts about mech sims that the other games are foregoing (including our own MechAssault!); you're not infantry, you're a tank. You dont explode in three to five hits. You need to plot out your movements and actions ahead of time. Weapon reload is something that happens after every shot, and not after thirty. FPSs require reflexes. Sims require foresight.

Mechs arent LEGOS, you dont throw any arm onto any torso onto any legs and get a functional unit. For those treating that 'lack of customizability' as a pure negative- that's a very subjective view. Part of the Sim charm is being able to identify a unit in the field and know all of it's capabilities, or at least have a very good idea, immediately. That's part of battlefield awareness.You're not piloting a custom mech of your own design, you're piloting another vehicle off a factory line that has made hundreds of others just like it. Maybe slap a decal and a paint job on it, but that's all you get. If you're piloting your own chassis into battle, that isnt a sim.

Spurn either gameplay type, but MWO and Hawken really are different play styles. For better or for worse MWO is a slow, plodding, deliberate slugfest. Hawken is a reflex-based, hyper-paced shooter where the better position and the faster trigger wins. Both games require a very high situational awareness and much teamwork, but those two needs are met in very different ways. As much as you may cry otherwise... Hawken really will be like ALL the other FPSs on the market (which appeals to some), and MWO will always be a more obscure, harder-to-access game because of Battletech's Continuity Lockout (which also appeals to some). If a good blend between FPS and Sim is what you're actually looking for, neither Hawken nor MWO are likely for you. In fact, Heavy gear is probably as close as you're going to get.






TL;DR: They're two completely different game genres, with their own merits and demerits, but those two different genres are Sim (MWO) and FPS (Hawken), and you'd be fooling yourself claiming otherwise. Everyone getting their panties in a bunch over people (justifiably) calling Hawken an FPS... why cant you just enjoy the game despite it's genre, is it a stigma or something? What's wrong with FPSs? If you enjoy Hawken you enjoy an FPS. Is that a crime?

Edited by Steel Fox, 20 August 2012 - 12:03 AM.

[pesco]

At this point, I'm curious how the Hawken community is going to compare to MWO's in a few months. Because right now, this one has become horrible. It's like advertising on mainstream gamer sites has brought in the horrible brats.

Incidentally, my litmus test for a game's prospect, Rock Paper Shotgun, has yet to write anything truly enthusiastic about MWO.

[BlackAbbot]

Rock is OP, Paper is fine. Signed Shotgun.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

I don't know enough about Hawken to make any kind of comparison. I signed up for the beta but it isn't due until December I believe. I'm sure not going to pay for that before trying it though since I'm already a Legendary over here. But MechWarrior was always my choice for Mech combat games. I never played anything else unless it was an RTS or something and Mechs were just "in" the game. Hawken would have to be pretty damn good to make me want to drop my Legendary and move. I doubt it will be that good. And my logic here is exactly the issue Hawken will probably have. Who is going to drop their Elite or Legendary on MWO and just move? As opposed to just staying here??

Edited by Bluten, 23 August 2012 - 05:13 PM.