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[Kenyon Burguess]

the focus of the BT universe changes over time. every house gets their turn at being the "bad guy" next up is clans, then chaos march, then fedcom civil war, jihad ect. ect. ect. (dont quote me on the order of those btw lol) my personal favorite evil house isnt CC but davion. mariks son dies from cancer and the jerks try to sneak a replacement in there causing a huge upheaval.

[Lorcan Lladd]

People who demonize the Confederation, as said in the OP, don't usually accuse it of being a socialist or communist regime, but rather a totalitarian, ruthless and underhanded one, which is a different thing altogether.
Me, I think they're still better than the bloody Clans.

[Zectorman]

Yes i will agree, Romano is in a conservative term, a really really paranoid. But in the end of her reign, she stalls the complete dissolve of the Confederation from the betrays of her sister and the Davions. Keeping the universe from losing one of it's most unique factions.

Personally i would have loved to have this game start when Sun Tzu takes power, but hey you can't have everything thing you want for one faction. I guess us Capellans are going to have to defend and possibly counter attack all invaders. I look forward to meeting anyone who opposes the the Confederation so i can prove myself to my warrior house and to the people who rely on us to defend them.

[Thorn Hallis]

I want to see LOTS of anti-capellean "propaganda". Makes it even more satisfying to break their kneecaps on Tikonov, Sarna, Liao and so on.

Oh, and btw: I think Romano Liao was the right ruler at the right time, no matter how mad she was.

Edited by Thorn Hallis, 07 February 2012 - 10:14 AM.

[Chuckie]

Capellans are the North Koreans of the BT World..

A lineage of brutal ignorant dictatorships.. except more successful in the war front.

[IxxxI]

Chuckie, on 07 February 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Capellans are the North Koreans of the BT World..

A lineage of brutal ignorant dictatorships.. except more successful in the war front.

You have forgotten to add "in my opinion", but the word 'ignorant' in your phrase reconciled me to the sadness of the world.

Edited by IxxxI, 07 February 2012 - 10:38 AM.

[Chuckie]

IxxxI, on 07 February 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

You have forgot to add "in my opinion", but the word 'ignorant' in your phrase reconciled me to the sadness of the world.

Noticed no problem being called a brutal dictatorship..

[IxxxI]

Chuckie, on 07 February 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Noticed no problem being called a brutal dictatorship..

Is it bad?

[VEDRFOLNIR]

IxxxI, on 07 February 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Is it bad?

If you're exempt from the brutality, then no it's not bad. If you're one of the unfortunate millions without 'party status' to hide behind... then not so much.

However, let's look at it this way - each House has had its' share of 'mad rulers' that did pretty horrible things through their history. Claudius for House Steiner, Edward for House Davion, Jinjiro for House Kurita and so on. At this particular point in time, it was the Capellans' turn to have such a ruler - Romano Liao might have kept her nation together - she did repulse an Andurien/Canopian invasion after all, but at a hideous cost, and might only be delaying the inevitable. According to the 20 Year Update (which is not propaganda), the Capellan economy is expected to collapse by 3060, and there are literally no civilian industries left - everything (and I do mean everything) is being funneled into the military. That includes food production, by the way. Again, from the same source, one big reason there is such an increase in military recruitment is because, quite frankly, the soldiers of the CCAF have the rare privilege of being the only group of people in Capellan society that isn't currently starving.

It's an incredibly bleak situation for the average Capellan - and unless things change (and fast) the Confederation will either fall apart in a Civil War when the people finally can't take any more abuse, or you'll have a military of pristine war machines, with healthy soldiers... guarding a massive graveyard.

[Chuckie]

VEDRFOLNIR, on 07 February 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

According to the 20 Year Update (which is not propaganda), the Capellan economy is expected to collapse by 3060, and there are literally no civilian industries left - everything (and I do mean everything) is being funneled into the military. That includes food production, by the way. Again, from the same source, one big reason there is such an increase in military recruitment is because, quite frankly, the soldiers of the CCAF have the rare privilege of being the only group of people in Capellan society that isn't currently starving.

Sounds like North Korea to me..

[Listless Nomad]

I ask that everyone forget my faction allegiance or my past comments in character (I'm stepping aside here.)

Now unless I am mistaken, the entirety of the post read:

"Sat. Feb 04, 3049: Duchess Candace's monthly address calling for the removal of her sister, Chancellor Romano Liao, particularly impassioned."

What about that is developer propaganda, or anti capellan bias, or malice or anything. It is a reporting of an event. It would be no different than in today's terms "CNN- Chinese President Hu Jintao's call for Chinese reunification with Taiwan was particularly impassioned during the Party Congress" or Confederate President Jefferson Davis' call for full secession from the Union was made with great vigor today. The news isn't the one saying it, or espousing it to be their beliefs. When the BBC reports that the Iranian President called for the destruction of Israel, no one accuses the BBC of anti israeli bias. They are just reporting the news. Whether there is a bias from the developers or not, cannot be made solely from the content of this one tweet.

That is just my opinion, and I could be misinformed about the full content of the message (I'm not on twitter). Let me end with this however. If tomorrow there was a ISN post saying that Romano Liao's annual speech called for the destruction and reintegration of the St. Ives Compact, are the developers showing their bias against them and all rogue states? Should people loyal to St. Ives get all up in arms? What if there was a post from the Draconis Combine calling for the destruction of the FedCom? Is that anti FedCom bias? If I recall correctly, most of the developers are either Kuritans, Mariks, or Liao in their affilitation so I think the paranoia is a little overblown. I think that this message is just a benign news post from the Universe in which we play

[IxxxI]

VEDRFOLNIR, on 07 February 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

If you're exempt from the brutality, then no it's not bad. If you're one of the unfortunate millions without 'party status' to hide behind... then not so much.

However, let's look at it this way - each House has had its' share of 'mad rulers' that did pretty horrible things through their history. Claudius for House Steiner, Edward for House Davion, Jinjiro for House Kurita and so on. At this particular point in time, it was the Capellans' turn to have such a ruler - Romano Liao might have kept her nation together - she did repulse an Andurien/Canopian invasion after all, but at a hideous cost, and might only be delaying the inevitable. According to the 20 Year Update (which is not propaganda), the Capellan economy is expected to collapse by 3060, and there are literally no civilian industries left - everything (and I do mean everything) is being funneled into the military. That includes food production, by the way. Again, from the same source, one big reason there is such an increase in military recruitment is because, quite frankly, the soldiers of the CCAF have the rare privilege of being the only group of people in Capellan society that isn't currently starving.

It's an incredibly bleak situation for the average Capellan - and unless things change (and fast) the Confederation will either fall apart in a Civil War when the people finally can't take any more abuse, or you'll have a military of pristine war machines, with healthy soldiers... guarding a massive graveyard.

Ehh, I don't know how to rate your post: roleplaying or not. My original question was related to Chuckie's statement, that I have not noticed something, so please read it: is it bad, that someone doesn't notice some facts and makes his statements based on incomplete information? Did that help?

I'm not that fan of BT Universe and have only lightweight acquaintance with TT lore, so I draw my conclusions on present time facts (ISN), while you appeal to some facts which I'm not common with, so I cann't follow your thought completely. Your passion in blaming me for something is notable, but not understood. Look at the post of Listless Nomad, that's an example of constructive and interesting conversation to me.

2Listless Nomad
I accept your point of view, it's not without reasons, but my general conclusion from the news could be described as:
"Inner Sphere News should mention media source where from information was recieved. That's what makes the difference." If that's not done, some people make notice only one side of a coin. I'd like to see multi-polar Universe in MWO, enjoy the multidimentional balanced world. I see that balance at risk and was asking why it could be potentially needed to dev team (as far as they are responcible for news published).

Edited by IxxxI, 07 February 2012 - 11:32 AM.

[Listless Nomad]

IxxxI, on 07 February 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

I accept your point of view, it's not without reasons, but my general conclusion from the news could be described as:
"Inner Sphere News should mention media source where from information was recieved. That's what makes the difference." If that's not done, some people make notice only one side of a coin. I'd like to see multi-polar Universe in MWO, enjoy the multidimentional balanced world. I see that balance at risk and was asking why it could be potentially needed to dev team (as far as they are responcible for news published).

That would be an interesting and rather exciting way to make the posts a little more colorful. The different house news agencies could each have a distinctive flavor to their writing, just to spice it up a little. I think it would require more effort from the devs, which they might not enjoy. I'd be willing to bet, however, that with some volunteers from the community - they could add a little character to the posts and liven them up.

I do speak from a point of view that has knowledge of the canon and most novels, and didn't think that there might be new members - or those that aren't familiar with any of the history of the universe - who might be confused by the tone of some of the posts. I agree with the point you made in the quoted post above. Nice idea.

[FireNova]

Listless Nomad, on 07 February 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

If I recall correctly, most of the developers are Kuritans so I think the paranoia is a little overblown.

lol jk

[Adridos]

FireNova, on 07 February 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

lol jk

They are.

Mostly, but Paul's for sure.

[IxxxI]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. ©

Edited by IxxxI, 07 February 2012 - 12:06 PM.

[Jack Gallows]

Somehow I don't think today's INN news flash is going to make OP happy

[IxxxI]

You are wrong, use the mind, not the force. Gutta cavat lapidem non vi, sed saepe cadendo.

[FireNova]

Adridos, on 07 February 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

They are.

Mostly, but Paul's for sure.

Yeah. Kinda makes me wonder how badly Jaguar fans will be treated throughout the game before we are reduced to being a "Periphery Faction" with the Streaking Mist as our flagship/raiding ship to travel around in. Maybe a Periphery planet or two here and there to keep things fun.

Either way, the Jaguars survive and I don't think the devs will reject a fanbase completely out of the game, regardless. It would hurt the community in the long run as it would then discourage free choice and just lead to unnecessary bias against people who happen to simply pick the Jaguars for fun. This is why I am thinking that the devs might throw us Jaguar fans a bone and just simply open up the Periphery later on after Bulldog/Serpent if they don't do it on game launch. Cause I simply can't see the devs rejecting playerbases willy nilly based on "canon" and not having it hurt their bottom line.

[metro]

IxxxI, on 07 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. ©

lol...! yeppers!