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[GnawTsatyr]

cinco, on 24 August 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

i think common sense and rational ethics is a universal thing. don't try to hide behind cultural relativism. hitting a vulnerable, defenseless child isn't what any intelligent, thinking person does. anyone who hits their kid is too ethically backward and lazy to properly raise them, and likely grew up in a household where they constantly got beaten as well. it's a vicious cycle of stupidity.

Lazy parenting is likely what makes the kid sassy, tyrannical, ungrateful, obsessed with instant gratification, and ultimately a spoiled brat. Proper discipline can correct that behavior, and taking the effort to make that correction can sometimes require a good spanking or well placed pinch. Nobody is trying to suggest constant or overt abuse.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Way off topic in a thread that has limited value anyway. Let's leave the politics of parenting alone, eh? There are many jurisdictions where any violence against a child is assault and thus 'child abuse', in effect and despite what some might think by no means all these place overrun with unruly children. Likewise there are places where it is permitted to use physical discipline and by no means are they overrun with abused children. It actually is a cultural thing but the move is clearly away from use of violence because it mostly teaches a different lesson to what the parents who use it think.

[Arafinar]

Ofcourse no one would ever use a 3rd person view to ..oh say maybe look over
a hill or maybe look around a corner. You are a mech pilot not the mech itself,
3rd person in mw is cheesy at best and should be left to consoles.

[Gimpy Warpig]

SakuranoSenshi, on 23 August 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Not sure PGI qualify as 'nooblets' it being their game and all. They've been unequivocal on this, hence it's a non-issue.

Was referring to all the rabid FFP fans. The most rabid also correspondingly almost always turn out to be the worst players. Coincidence? Not likely.

[SGT_Stubby]

Dr Killinger, on 23 August 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

I think we should just be able to look at our mechs in the mech bay, full-360

So then we'll have 'mech spinning like EVE online's ship spinning. =P

[Gimpy Warpig]

Dragonlord, on 24 August 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

...blah...

Pardon if I removed your wall of text. Mind trying to say something again without talking out your back end please? I tuned you out after you called me a 12 year old, hope you didnt have any cleverer witticisms I missed out on. Glad to see you've got your FFP fanaticism flag going along with a whole boatload of other ffp fanboys along with you.

Believe it or not (and truthfully, I could care less either way) - I'm happy to play either 3PV or FFP - if its in a mech, I'm down with it and always have been - but you FFP fanatics always get me angry with your close minded bullsht.

[Bansheedragon75]

Gimpy Warpig, on 26 August 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Pardon if I removed your wall of text. Mind trying to say something again without talking out your back end please? I tuned you out after you called me a 12 year old, hope you didnt have any cleverer witticisms I missed out on. Glad to see you've got your FFP fanaticism flag going along with a whole boatload of other ffp fanboys along with you.

Believe it or not (and truthfully, I could care less either way) - I'm happy to play either 3PV or FFP - if its in a mech, I'm down with it and always have been - but you FFP fanatics always get me angry with your close minded bullsht.

For the record I have no problem with 3PV provided the game is meant to be played like that.
However this is not a 3PV arcade shooter, its a sim game that is meant to be played in 1PV.

Its been explained countless times how 3PV will ruin the gameplay, And I am frankly getting tired of repeating it to the 3PV fanatics crowd, and I'm not alone in that regard, who thinks that every single game should cater to their whims and nothing else.

Why should every single game cater to the 3PV arcade shooter crowd?
Why cannot those who want the 1PV sim style of gameplay have this one game for that?

There have even been several polls about 3PV, and the majority of the votes always say no.
With majority I'm talking about 80%+ of the votes saying no, some polls have even gone as high as 98% saying no

And as others have said, PGI has said a loud and clear no to 3PV, and no amount of begging, threatening or demanding, by a very vocal yet very small minority, is going to change their mind.

And for the record, I never called you a 12 year old I only said you sounded like one in you post, there is actually a difference.

[Taiji]

You can't mix 3rd person and 1st person in a competitive game like this.

Also a simulator that simulates you flying along behind your mech - It's simply dumb, you should be ashamed for wanting such silliness

Edited by Taiji, 27 August 2012 - 05:59 AM.

[buttmonkey]

i have to say i am used to using 3rd person the only game i used 1st person was doom 3 lol! but i have to say although its not impairing my gameplay to say its an unfair advantage is rubbish and i think its down to personal preference. all previous mechwarrior games have had the option for 3rd person so thats what im used to and what i like best. it also helps me navigate better. almost feel a little claustraphobic in these mechs!
another good reason for having 3rd person is for when your in close quarter and "that guy" runs straight into you and your not sure if hes in front or has passed through, all you see is glitchy flashes of mech.
also being able to see your mech would be sweet, otherwise whats the point in having founders mechs, if you never get to see them...

[Adrienne Vorton]

this can go on 10 or 100 pages more... there will not be a third person camera during battles... whats so hard to understand there?

[Vapor Trail]

Only way to get to 3d person view should be an eject handle. (STILL wondering if there's going to be one. What happens if I get all my weapons shot off? What do I do to the enemy then? **** their ankles off?)

[Edit]
WTH? The present tense of the verb 'have bitten' is censored? You've gotta be kidding me.

And for anyone (there's GOTTA be one somewhere) who doesn't get that joke:
http://en.wikipedia...._(Monty_Python)
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Edited by Vapor Trail, 02 September 2012 - 02:06 AM.

[CommanderBoom]

3PV won't happen. Glad we cleared that up, can someone shut down this thread please? I want them to all move on to the next abomination of online social interaction, I can't wait to see what it will be next!

[Bansheedragon75]

buttmonkey, on 02 September 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

i have to say i am used to using 3rd person the only game i used 1st person was doom 3 lol! but i have to say although its not impairing my gameplay to say its an unfair advantage is rubbish and i think its down to personal preference. all previous mechwarrior games have had the option for 3rd person so thats what im used to and what i like best. it also helps me navigate better. almost feel a little claustraphobic in these mechs!
another good reason for having 3rd person is for when your in close quarter and "that guy" runs straight into you and your not sure if hes in front or has passed through, all you see is glitchy flashes of mech.
also being able to see your mech would be sweet, otherwise whats the point in having founders mechs, if you never get to see them...

It would not give an unfair advantage if everyone used it or it was 3rd person only, but around 90% of the players here on the forums dont want it and prefer the actual feeling of actually piloting the mech.

Here is a hypothetical situation for you

Lets say they add 3rd person view like they had in previous mech games.
You can then look over a hill or around corners to see what is there without hiving to expose yourself.
The guy in the other mech is playing 1st person and dont have this advantage.

You will be able to line up your shots and shoot at him the moment he comes into view without him knowing you are there.
Depending on the situation and if you are good you can get off 2 alpha strikes on him before he knows you are there, at which point he wil most likely be critically damaged.
How is that not giving you and unfair advantage?

Or say you can look over a hill lock on and fire your missiles without ever leaving cover, while the guy you are shooting at has no chance to fire back at you without further exposing himself.
How is that not an unfair advantage?

This is a SIMULATION game, not and arcade shooter.
3PV does not belong here, the players dont want it, and PGI have said they will not add it.
PGI will not listen to the very vocal minority, like so many other developers, because they understand that the silent majority are happy with not having 3rd person.

Edited by Dragonlord, 02 September 2012 - 06:06 AM.

[Gowan]

Gimpy Warpig, on 26 August 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Pardon if I removed your wall of text. Mind trying to say something again without talking out your back end please? I tuned you out after you called me a 12 year old, hope you didnt have any cleverer witticisms I missed out on. Glad to see you've got your FFP fanaticism flag going along with a whole boatload of other ffp fanboys along with you.

Believe it or not (and truthfully, I could care less either way) - I'm happy to play either 3PV or FFP - if its in a mech, I'm down with it and always have been - but you FFP fanatics always get me angry with your close minded bullsht.

I think your initial use of the extremely intelligent term "nooblets" may have disqualified you from being considered for intelligent discourse right from the starting gun. When you went on to suggest that the people you were arguing with are some of the worst players in the community and provided as evidence the extremely convincing fact that they were arguing with you, you pretty much lost your credibility and consideration. You did actually sound like a spoiled kid in your posts -- go read them, they're awful.

Folks are defending the in-cockpit viewpoint because so much of the gameplay we have now depends on it -- and because the devs have made the same argument to justify their lack of interest in implementing a third-person viewpoint. If one of goals of the game is to make the player feel like they are inside the machine (and if you read the sticky posts like you're supposed to, you'll find that to be the case), they are violating one of their own primary concepts by including a third-person view for gameplay.

If you take anything out of this post, though, consider the fact that the way you present yourself will impact the way people respond to you. If you expect to be part of a reasoned discussion, you have to start there -- with reasoned discussion. If your first contribution to the discussion makes you sound like a kid on XBL, you're going to be treated as such. Smack-talking has no place in the beta forums of a game in testing, with the exception of the Off-Topic forum.

[Brenden]

With a recording option, I can see the potential for Machinimas. Can you see?

[Xatroz]

In Mech Lab to see Shiney Mech, would be very nice and after battle to see the carnage wrecked upon your Precious.
Definatly never in battle.

[Bansheedragon75]

Xatroz, on 02 September 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

In Mech Lab to see Shiney Mech, would be very nice and after battle to see the carnage wrecked upon your Precious.
Definatly never in battle.

This I can fully agree with.
I would love to be able to pan around and look at my mech, as if I was standing in the bay and looking at it or something similar

Ingame never, I'm not playing the Mech, I am piloting it.

[Uncle Andross]

In spectator mode, sure. And during replays.

[Baruti Madu]

So, to summerize. Looks like some can agree, 3rd player for spectate and replays.

No go for game. Why? Unfair advantage (and thats freaking true)

Can we close the thread and start another about "Game recordings?" or something? I like to record my MOBA games in a spectate mode, so that way I can get better. Plus makes you cherish spectating more.

First person mode, because anything else, would be uncivilized

[Bansheedragon75]

Not quite.
No 3rd person for Spectator either.
This can be abused by the spectator telling the pilot about things the pilot cannot see.
Disabling the ingame chat for dead players will not help, as most players use 3rd party software like Teamspeak and Ventrilo to communitcate.

Only in replays would I be willing to agree on 3rd person, not during the game.