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[Gigaton]

Soviet Alex, on 30 March 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Dunno where that sarna date comes from, but the Nightstar entry in TRO 3058 doesn't say anything about any production prior to the Clan Invasion.

Since the original production facility was bombed in 2786 or 2787 you get 3036 or 3037 as the intoruction date if you take the "two hundred and fifty years would pass" in it's literal meaning. 3036 is impossible date for the NSR-9J since there is no gauss rifle, 3037 would theoretically be possible for NSR-9FC since all components are technically available (though ER PPC only in DC starting from 3037, and this is a 'mech from the enemy side). 9FC is also not described as low-tech variant, so my conclusion would be that both '36 and '37 are false, and the real date is '50-'55.

(Edit) Master unit list gives 3057 for both variants.

Edited by Gigaton, 30 March 2012 - 03:04 PM.

[Soviet Alex]

Yeah, anything from the 4th Succession War to the 2nd Star League is described in the sources as "about 250 years later". If there had been any Nighstars around during the Clan Invasion, I think we would have noticed.

[Kedma]

The devestaor looks more like a WarHammer.. which is a 80 ton mech.. so but weighting in at 100.. more armor, and weapons.. I would go with that..

[Jacob Davion]

Kedma, on 30 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

The devestaor looks more like a WarHammer.. which is a 80 ton mech.. so but weighting in at 100.. more armor, and weapons.. I would go with that..

I agree with you. Thumbs up!

On a side note, you might want to replace that 80 with a 70 before you make the people here on the site that want a mech they possibly might not have upset.

[GrimJim]

Tadakuma, on 30 March 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

Basicly people who can't get Atlases, my fondness for it comes from a Table Top game, we playing a militia unit and we captured it from Pirate raiders.

I ended up piloting it because I lost my enforcer taking it down, and while I griped and moaned about it, I came to really like the machine. There nothing quite as satisfying as taking down a supposedly superior mech like an Atlas or Stalker down with a supposedly inferior Banshee.

And yes I took down both of these in the underrated Banshee. The trick is you have to either commit to a long range sniper duel or get in their face and go for a melee close combat battle.

The other point I was making was that the Banshee is a great place to plunk your commander. Part of the reason it makes a good command mech is that people don't tend to target it, I've lost track of the number of games were my commander was riding the biggest baddest mech in the force and when down quickly because they were a massive target. As an added bonus it's preferred position as a sniper means that your commander isn't mixed up in a close combat battle when he should be commanding.

In table top games I now tend to run my commanders in fast well armoured mediums or very heavily armoured long range assaults and heavies. It's the same reason why Jamie Wolfe and Morgan Kell Pilot the Archer.

And to my mind the Banshee is on par with an archer, so all up not great mech but not a bad mech either.

I have a nearly identical story re: the Banshee.

It takes a bit to get the hang of, but it is surprisingly effective when you do. I piloted the 3E during the 4th Succession War after losing my Archer. A 3S version in the War of '39, and a 5S at the top of the Clan Invasion. Went undefeated in engagement after engagement with the poor clanners. Finally ended my run with a "5V," which is basically replacing the 5S tech with Clan salvage. With a MASC it redifines "Clanbuster."

[Starstryke]

Devastator of course, PPCs plus Gauss.....

Though can we at least have a version of the banshee that doesn't suck, BNC-5S..... maybe.

[Grubnar]

I voted for the Devastator.

I know very little about the Imp, but the Annihilator and King Crab have a huge weakness since they rely on projectile weapons and are as good as useless when they run out of ammo.

[Eradicator]

Devastator has XL Engine... no wonder there is so much armor, unfair comparison to other 100 tonners listed

[Sloshernam]

Have to agree that while I prefer the devasitator and annihilator, we have never seen a king crab in gameplay and it would be something new and fun. While 4 LBX-10's is possibly the most destructive configuration out there and the ppc/railgun combo is brilliant at laying down hurt at silly ranges...... I think Everyone would get a kick out of unloading 2 AC20's into a Jenner and watching the fireworks! give us something less gundam-like. Heck, why not throw in a quadroped (cough * Great Turtle) at some point.

[Lord Banshee]

Heh, the Awesome and refurbished Banshees had XL engines too. All's fair...

Ya know, I vaguely recollected that a later-modified Banshee appeared in a 3050 Battle tech manual, but wasn't sure. So I went to my local boardgaming store, as they have tons of military games along with the typical board/FRP/card games. Sure enough, there it was.

"The Return of Kerensky: 3050" proudly displaying the BNC-5S. Yep, the Gauss rifle was on the hip too.
So... any chance we can have the *real* sniper Banshee in MW:O? Pretty please?

GrimJim, on 30 March 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

Went undefeated in engagement after engagement with the poor clanners. With a MASC it redifines "Clanbuster."

Lolz, with MASC it would redefine "microwave oven". Mine would prolly melt in place for good. Never had that pleasure. Piloted a 7S during a Civil War campaign though.

Edited by Lord Banshee, 31 March 2012 - 01:51 PM.

[T0RC4ED]

Hmmm tough choice... Imp is nice but I had to go with the Devastator Its got a great set of armaments for fighting at most ranges.

The BNC-3E Banshee seems like a trick question...

Other thoughts on the Banshee... It seems like its missing something... O, I know... GUNS... PPC is great, AC 5 is nice wile it lasts, and the small laser... um that thing is kinda pointless.

Edited by T0RC4ED, 01 April 2012 - 01:52 AM.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

So little love for the Imp?! I wonder, cause it has good armaments and the same top speed as the Devastator. Only a half ton less armor.

[David Dresari]

Since there was no Kodiak or Fafnir (not built before 3063), Devastator it is for the 100 ton class.
For 95 tons the Banshee.

[Lyon]

Banshee BNC-3E. Because it's just waiting for a cheapass upgrade to Banshee BNC-3S.

Devastator. Because it's a Devastator, and your Daishi/Ragnarok/Mad Cat Mk.II/(insert equally useless POS mech here) is of no use against it. There's a reason that particular freak has all that yummy Inner Sphere BV.

[Gigaton]

Eradicator, on 31 March 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Devastator has XL Engine... no wonder there is so much armor, unfair comparison to other 100 tonners listed

That's what I tried to say many pages ago. People who vote for Devastator should assume they are voting for the variant that has two AC/10 and two large lasers instead of the gauss and PPC.

All this poll proves is that people love optimized gausszillas, and many of them are basing it on their experience with MW4 where those things were far too good when compared to mixed weapons platforms. I'd be seriously suprised if PPC/gausszillas aren't nerfed a lot when compared to MW4, and I'm not talking just about the twin reticles.

Edited by Gigaton, 01 April 2012 - 01:15 PM.

[flying1ace]

Technoviking, on 27 March 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

"Of these 4 100 ton mechs that you wouldn't want to be seen next to, which would you reluctantly choose?" might be a little less biased than "favorite".

King Crab, just for less Humanoids I guess.

um... probly the imp

[Jack Gallows]

Devastator. Accept no substitute.

[GrimJim]

Lord Banshee, on 31 March 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Lolz, with MASC it would redefine "microwave oven". Mine would prolly melt in place for good. Never had that pleasure. Piloted a 7S during a Civil War campaign though.

It was like rolling in an Executioner but with guns. I only used the MASC to jockey for range or to create hellacious charges so I never fell prey to freeze up.

And yeah. Torso mounted weapons on the 5S was the way (despite the orig 3050 pic). Made you one heck of a melee brawler when able to fire all your short range weapons, an ER PPC, and then throw in a pair of punches.

[Odanan]

I`m sorry but this pool is messed up. First, you need to say what Devastator it is. If you are talking about the low-tech DVS-1D, OK. Otherwise, you can`t compare level 1 mechs with level 2 mechs. (The level 2 Devastator is clearly much better than any level 1 mech)

Annihilator = massive weaponry in a very slow mech
King Crab = 2x AC20s in the arms + full armour = a fantastic short range fighter
Imp = overheat paradise = I love it!
Devastator DVS-1D = I wouldn't even consider it in the game - it's too uncommon.

About the second pool, isn't the standard Banshee the BNC-3E? So let me understand: all 3 options are the same?

Anyway, I would pick the BNC-3S (level 1 tech)

[Garth Erlam]

Odanan, on 02 April 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

I`m sorry but this pool is messed up. First, you need to say what Devastator it is...

About the second pool, isn't the standard Banshee the BNC-3E? So let me understand: all 3 options are the same?...

/giggles