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[rgreat]

PGI will do it right. They usually make good decisions.

[Tank]

Rathe, on 01 November 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

the interesting thing about missiles: they rock random pugs trying to solo hard, but are currently nigh worthless in organized 8v8 matches.

They are nearly worthless even against for anyone who capable use a brains time from time.

My prime mech is LRM Cat, and yeah when someone try's to be Conan the barbarian I nail that perosn to the ground, when not, my missiles mostly punish daisies on the ground.

Edited by Tank, 01 November 2012 - 05:46 PM.

[kragmoor]

Khavi Vetali, on 01 November 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Wonder why in all of the games from the competitive matches and tournaments the LRM based teams get spanked and direct fire brawling teams carry the day.

Hmmm.

Tactics. LRM's are easily rendered ineffective by intelligent tactics.

I agree completely, in fact next time i'm in a pug match i'm just going to sit down and have a nice long chat with my team mates about how we are going to play while the enemy kills us

[Vila deVere]

I'm not interested in e-sports. I want a Mechwarrior game.

[Rathe]

kragmoor, on 01 November 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

I agree completely, in fact next time i'm in a pug match i'm just going to sit down and have a nice long chat with my team mates about how we are going to play while the enemy kills us

don't pug then

[Antonio De Lesante]

<Medium mech specialist here> Please for the love of all that is unholy.. do NOT nerf missles.

Why you ask? Well, because all of the sudden my EASY kills go away... I love ducking and covering (oh wait, isnt that a podcast?) hiding behind enemies (nothing like a gob ton of enemy missles dropping their own!) and of course, sneaking in and WTFOMG 1 shotting missle boats in the back!

Not to mention, I just LOVE imagining them screaming and banging on their keyboards when they realize that the last 100 missles they dumped on me WERE COMPLETELY USELESS because I was whacking them at 125 m out.... ROFLH!!!!


Try this... PLAY the game, instead of whining....


and to note, I've been playing all things battletech and mechwarrior from the begining.. so dont tell me im a newb..

(I still prefer tabletop!)

-Sick of the whiners-
Antonio - Ronin for hire

[Brazo Izquierdo de Muerte]

well just build a dual ams mech and then sit back and snipe at long range and pick the missle boats off.

Edited by Alisyn Chaynes, 01 November 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[dF0X]

Rathe, on 01 November 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

so does that mean that missiles need to be nerfed, or does it mean that PGI needs to teach players how to avoid LRM's better?

Neither, it means player's need to open their eyes, and attempt to learn what works in the game instead of bellyaching on the forums when they get killed. It's called learning.

[hashinshin]

the waterfalls of LRMs thing really made me laugh.

Cause it's so true.

As of right now I consider 1v1s in this game to be completely pointless as within seconds of starting them either you or your opponent will be dead by LRMs. Or 2v2s. Or 3v3s. Pretty much anything in an actual fight that's not just run over hill and shoot till you see LRMs coming at you and duck under.

[Rathe]

Desrtfox, on 01 November 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Neither, it means player's need to open their eyes, and attempt to learn what works in the game instead of bellyaching on the forums when they get killed. It's called learning.

while I agree that a bunch of players stepping up and learning how to play would be good, if people wanted to do that, then they already would have. I think PGI should put out a 'LRM tactics and counters' youtube vid at the very least.

[Tank]

Antonio De Lesante, on 01 November 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

<Medium mech specialist here> Please for the love of all that is unholy.. do NOT nerf missles.

Why you ask? Well, because all of the sudden my EASY kills go away... I love ducking and covering (oh wait, isnt that a podcast?) hiding behind enemies (nothing like a gob ton of enemy missles dropping their own!) and of course, sneaking in and WTFOMG 1 shotting missle boats in the back!

Not to mention, I just LOVE imagining them screaming and banging on their keyboards when they realize that the last 100 missles they dumped on me WERE COMPLETELY USELESS because I was whacking them at 125 m out.... ROFLH!!!!


Try this... PLAY the game, instead of whining....


and to note, I've been playing all things battletech and mechwarrior from the begining.. so dont tell me im a newb..

(I still prefer tabletop!)

-Sick of the whiners-
Antonio - Ronin for hire

Thanks to guys like you I won't get fat and bored playing on my Cat.

[dF0X]

Rathe, on 01 November 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

while I agree that a bunch of players stepping up and learning how to play would be good, if people wanted to do that, then they already would have. I think PGI should put out a 'LRM tactics and counters' youtube vid at the very least.

You're right of course, but I would think that players should at least try to learn a game rather than coming on the forums and saying, "I died, therefore this game is imbalanced." Perhaps an in game death is the game's way of telling us that we have more to learn.

Any game in which I have no more to learn, is a dull game.

[Brazo Izquierdo de Muerte]

Rathe, on 01 November 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

while I agree that a bunch of players stepping up and learning how to play would be good, if people wanted to do that, then they already would have. I think PGI should put out a 'LRM tactics and counters' youtube vid at the very least.

Why? if you wanna play the game then learn and ask questions and figure out what works for you. no one should expect pgi to show them how to "duck" or if you really care that much come find me in the ts ill show you how to deal with lrms.

[Rathe]

Alisyn Chaynes, on 01 November 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Why? if you wanna play the game then learn and ask questions and figure out what works for you. no one should expect pgi to show them how to "duck" or if you really care that much come find me in the ts ill show you how to deal with lrms.

a lot of 'common complaint' issues would solved if there were an actual tutorial, a la mw2's tutorial. even a Planetside-esque hologram training program would go a long way toward helping

[Brazo Izquierdo de Muerte]

you forget tho that there are mechs that were built to be missle boats from the ground up.

here
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bowman

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Longbow

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Archer

not to mention Energy boats
The nova cat which i cant get to link right cause of broken link



http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Warhawk


and then the projectile boats as well

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rifleman_IIC the rifleman iic 2 with quad ac 2

i could go on but i wont. boats are just normal part of the game. have two mediums sneak up on your offending boat while a guy at long range keeps his head down with sniper fire. Lrm boat problem solved

Edited by Alisyn Chaynes, 01 November 2012 - 06:07 PM.

[Shepherd]

TL:DR - LRMs are ok for a variety of reasons that I'm fully convinced of.

LRMs are an important part of the game. The possibility of getting LRMs raining down on you moderates your tactics. It's something you've got to consider. So even if the LRMs are shot down by AMS or the target can get into cover to avoid the hits, they're still changing their behavior because of LRMs. So they are an important part of the game.

I've found that unless you're under fire from three or four dedicated missile platforms - I'm talking LRM Atlases or Catapults - LRMs are not going to destroy you. They'll hurt, yes, and they'll mess with your aim, sure, but they do far less damage than gauss or boated lasers.

I think the biggest reason, to me, to leave LRMs alone is the maps we've got. They all contain ways to maximize missiles and ways to neuter them completely. River City has the spaceport and the park to launch LRMs from a commanding position, but you've also got plenty of buildings to render LRMs entirely useless, and you've got the river delta to sneak into to avoid LRMs. Forest Colony makes LRMs deadly if the fight happens in the water, but go through the cave and the LRM boats are useless. Frozen city - same thing. You can try a frontal assault over Noobie Ridge and get hammered by LRM support, or you can go caves and avoid them entirely. Only Caustic makes it difficult to avoid LRMs, but you can still do it. From the factory swing way right and you can usually get in close before LRMs are a problem. And here's the biggest factor - the map is random. So a team that hopes for Caustic and goes with loads of LRMs could just as easily get River City and be screwed. The maps moderate your team composition, and even your own mech choice. I rarely see dedicated LRM platforms anymore. Most LRM mechs are hybrids these days.

[Alfred VonGunn]

Rathe, on 01 November 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

so does that mean that missiles need to be nerfed, or does it mean that PGI needs to teach players how to avoid LRM's better?

Neither it means people need to grow a set and join teams and learn,, Ask PGI to teach them is like the Welfare state,.,.. It's to hard,,,

[IIIuminaughty]

CHWarpath, on 01 November 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Well its 2012 folks, and we still have missile boats. Missiles are OK but when you are battling other mechs with actual skill (you know the basis of a game) either you or your opponent is being spammed by waterfalls of missiles. Also lets not pretend the AMS by itself is all that useful either. You can run two AMS's and be with a lance of them and still be spammed by water falls of missiles. I recommend a severe nerf and don't give me your board game from Parker Brothers excuse either. Video games are fun when they are about skill, waiting for a red lock and and pressing a mouse button is far from this concept. I have played the Mechwarrior series since the early 90's and these same bad players were upset when the Ghost Bear Expansion came out for Mechwarrior 2 and it included AMS systems. The question is do you want real gamers playing this game or a tiny community? Me? I prefer tournaments for money and a mass community that is involved in competitive play.

Son, Stop complaining. Nuff said

[Dorado]

LRM's are supposed to make you fear them or at least be smart and use cover and tactics to render them ineffective. I just got out of a match with no less than 6 LRM boats on the opposite team. My team was smart, used cover, closed the gap, and spanked those boats with no problem. It is the over-reliance on LRMs that I find amusing. When a pilot stuffs so many LRMs in his ride that he is ineffective once the enemy closes that is silly in my opinion.

A lance full of AMS makes plenty of a mitigation shield as well if you work together.

Enough with the LRM boat whining already. Learn tactics to counter them instead. Stop creating threads to whine about them. If you are going to whine at least use one of the -many- threads already out there about it.

Edited by Dorado, 01 November 2012 - 06:15 PM.

[Antonio De Lesante]

please refer to my VERY sarcastic (and serious) post responding to someone else complaining about the OP of missles.. big NO for me... (and no, I dont use lrms, EVER)