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[Sagoth]

IT's quite safe to say that i'm hooked. The fact that you actually have time to remedy your mistakes without being insta ganked makes this game far more enjoyable than anything so far and it has mechs on top of that. Yesterday it was bit annoying to lose so much but today i t hink it's been much better to the point that i don't see it as a problem anymore. Got bit extra creds now to mess up my fitting so i don't have anyone else to blame if i get my face mushed in and if there's more experienced/ well organized group against us, C'est La Vie. Learn to play, follow similar mech yer driving to learn where to go and what to do and don't try to win alone with allmost 2 days of experience in trial mech.

[Cataphract]

Calling premades an groups griefers is just stupid and naive. Yeah I totally group up because I get my kicks off by pug stomping. No, I group because I like teamwork and people willing to work with others. Anybody that says otherwise is just single minded in their approach to a game like this. If you refuse to group up then you better damn well deal with whats coming. Match maker will get changes that will better both ends of the community. I for one am sick of the fact that most puggers wont even bother trying to get their team to work together then complain that they got rolled by teamwork in well a teamwork based game. Stupid as hell thinking if you ask me. Even with the restrictions coming the 4 grouped members of each pug match are still gonna roll the other team. Its sad how much in a teamwork based game that people are complaining about it.

[paladin yst]

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It is only griefing if they constantly heckle or thrash talk the newbies.

That is exactly what premades been doing to pug the very second mwo went open, preamdes been farming pugs like lol.

Simple truth, before the game even starts premades already have advantage over pugs, period. Its not the same lv of playing field.

Eg,

You`re a gladiator and u entered a arena to fight to the death, 7 others from other places fought in the same team with u against other 8 frikking premade gladiators who frikkin trained in the same ludus, each familiar with their roles and group synergy. While ure frikkin shouting hey watch ur...., ur back prolly been stabbed 10 x times.

Only idioit use excuses like oh I`m playing with my friend, then ******* make it premade vs premade, oh thats right, they`re griefers, opps i grief again lalalala~

Welcome to Premade online, new open beta testers.

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Calling premades an groups griefers is just stupid and naive. Yeah I totally group up because I get my kicks off by pug stomping. No, I group because I like teamwork and people willing to work with others. Anybody that says otherwise is just single minded in their approach to a game like this. If you refuse to group up then you better damn well deal with whats coming. Match maker will get changes that will better both ends of the community. I for one am sick of the fact that most puggers wont even bother trying to get their team to work together then complain that they got rolled by teamwork in well a teamwork based game. Stupid as hell thinking if you ask me. Even with the restrictions coming the 4 grouped members of each pug match are still gonna roll the other team. Its sad how much in a teamwork based game that people are complaining about it.

Lol if only thats the same lv of playing field, or wait, ure premade, icwhatudidthere. When restriction comes it will at least even out rather than full griefers of 8.

As long as premades still hold advantage over pugs, doesnt matter they win or not, its nothing more than griefing. Playing so many times together u ******* telling me theres no adv over pugs? frikking premade griefers

Edited by paladin yst, 31 October 2012 - 10:22 AM.

[Heffay]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

That is exactly what premades been doing to pug the very second mwo went open, preamdes been farming pugs like lol.

Simple truth, before the game even starts premades already have advantage over pugs, period. Its not the same lv of playing field.

It's not griefing though. I've played the vast majority of my matches as a pug, and have NEVER run into any trash talking.

[RedHairDave]

the problem is people refuse to play the game they are given, they want the game where they can be rambo and win the game alone. that is not mw. not mw at all.

get a group. its free and easy. anyone can do it. a better way of doing it is coming, for now, work with what we have, its still beta. come back at full launch if you dont like team work. maybe they will have a area for paste eating by then

[silentD11]

Cataphract, on 31 October 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

Calling premades an groups griefers is just stupid and naive. Yeah I totally group up because I get my kicks off by pug stomping. No, I group because I like teamwork and people willing to work with others. Anybody that says otherwise is just single minded in their approach to a game like this. If you refuse to group up then you better damn well deal with whats coming. Match maker will get changes that will better both ends of the community. I for one am sick of the fact that most puggers wont even bother trying to get their team to work together then complain that they got rolled by teamwork in well a teamwork based game. Stupid as hell thinking if you ask me. Even with the restrictions coming the 4 grouped members of each pug match are still gonna roll the other team. Its sad how much in a teamwork based game that people are complaining about it.

Don't lie. One of the best reasons for rolling premades is the massive amount of wins and destruction you can rack up extremely quickly to make sure you have all builds you want and millions of cbills floating around in case you win something. And the cool part of that is knowing full well that short of PUGs pouring cash into the game there is no earthly way they can keep up.

[Sandpit]

It's going to be a nice change when the devs switch MM and people can't blame premades anymore. I'm sure there will be some that will find something new to blame lopsided games on and their own personal losses. Should be interesting seeing the new excuses to cover up poor tactics, no teamwork, and bad piloting skills though.

[Pheydra Sagan]

http://mwomercs.com/...e-one-come-all/

[paladin yst]

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It's not griefing though. I've played the vast majority of my matches as a pug, and have NEVER run into any trash talking.

How bout ure the last one to die and they shoot off everything u got and machine gun'ed u to death? and then say hi join clan etc etc and all that crap of clan recruitment

Someone suggested ppl to join premade themselves to even out, ya well I`m a night shifter, my play sessions are always brief, and do u frikking know how much time will be wasted just to wait for the other 7 to click the READY BUTTON? My sessions are multiple 30mins - 1 hr a few times of those a day sometimes. I`m not gonna relive those stupid days of waiting mins or even an hr just to make a raiding grp in those silly mmos.

Its pretty simple, premade vs premade, pug vs pug. premade vs pug = griefing. whether u like it or not, the group synergy is so powerful that a well trained super premade can easily stomp a random pug 4v8 or even 3 if they r like some godlike cockpit rapers or side torso corers

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It's going to be a nice change when the devs switch MM and people can't blame premades anymore. I'm sure there will be some that will find something new to blame lopsided games on and their own personal losses. Should be interesting seeing the new excuses to cover up poor tactics, no teamwork, and bad piloting skills though.

Theres no loophole, its even playing field without griefer premades. Coz uve the same tonnage, classes, without all the pramde grp synergy advantage.

The god-blessed lights with invincible lag shield however.....lets just leave that coz it has nothing to do with the game and its just computer softwares and hardware.

The amount of cbills premade are making is simple rediculous, any pugs would be lucky to earn as much as 15% of what they make, obviously they have so little repair bills and earning that much is laughable. Well griefers grief so nothing much but wait is what majority of the new players can do.

Edited by paladin yst, 31 October 2012 - 10:42 AM.

[Greyfyl]

Terriskai, on 31 October 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

I'm 8-4 pugging today.
I don't see the issue.

I went 7-2 this morning and early afternoon while pugging. The premades don't start rolling until about 4PM est. If you want to PUG - do it in the morning.

[Heffay]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Its pretty simple, premade vs premade, pug vs pug. premade vs pug = griefing.

It's not. But you may maintain your opinion if you want.

[Agent of Change]

paladin yst, on 31 October 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

That is exactly what premades been doing to pug the very second mwo went open, preamdes been farming pugs like lol.

Simple truth, before the game even starts premades already have advantage over pugs, period. Its not the same lv of playing field.

Eg,

You`re a gladiator and u entered a arena to fight to the death, 7 others from other places fought in the same team with u against other 8 frikking premade gladiators who frikkin trained in the same ludus, each familiar with their roles and group synergy. While ure frikkin shouting hey watch ur...., ur back prolly been stabbed 10 x times.

Only idioit use excuses like oh I`m playing with my friend, then ******* make it premade vs premade, oh thats right, they`re griefers, opps i grief again lalalala~

Welcome to Premade online, new open beta testers.



Lol if only thats the same lv of playing field, or wait, ure premade, icwhatudidthere. When restriction comes it will at least even out rather than full griefers of 8.

As long as premades still hold advantage over pugs, doesnt matter they win or not, its nothing more than griefing. Playing so many times together u ******* telling me theres no adv over pugs? frikking premade griefers

Ok let's recap for the slow ones in the room (psst i'm talking to you)...

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A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.

A griefer:

• Deliberately irritates and harrasses other players - Well i can't say i haven't seen some premade players do this but I also would be lying if I said I didn't see just as many if not more PUG players also do the same, But in either case not enough to indict an entire chuck of the gaming population
  
• Uses aspects of the game in unintended ways - Well lets see, MWO is stated to be a team focused game and PGI even provided a voice client to use (two if you consider the original TS server), and they gave us a group buiilding mechanic in game, Nope... as far as premades are concerned no Unintended use abuse happening there
  
• Derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users - Well I can't speak for all premade players but 99% of all of the ones I've played with/against have mostly just wanted to fight with big robots and derived pleasure "primarily or exclusively" from a good fight and an earned win, and playing and chatting with friends while doing so.
  
• Cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals - Since premades are not (as discussed before) breaking or bending unintended consequences there are no penalties in place to punish intended core game mechanics.

I'm not sure where the mean premade touched you, but i'm sure it wasn't that bad. As someone who's been playing this game alot I have run into premades talking **** like twice, to me that's not an epidemic. But since you want to throw around poorly thought out, barely legible, QQ laced rage we can safely say you are going to miss the point entirely and continue to use a term that doesn't fit the situation.

Edited by Agent of Change, 31 October 2012 - 10:41 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

Problem is, even if the Pre-mades went 1 on 1 versus those Pugs, the Pug's would lose every time 8-0 or 8-1 anyways. Hmmm, interesting thought that.

How many Pug players could a single "pre-made player" kill, in a row, if they called them out 1 at a time? Hmmm... something to try I supppose...

[InstaGibb]

I'll Just leave this here http://mwomercs.com/...e-chat-servers/ if your pissed there is all the information you need to join a public TS and start playing in groups its much more fun even with losses games are fantastic when you can actully talk to ppl.

[Psykosis]

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Its pretty simple, premade vs premade, pug vs pug. premade vs pug = griefing. whether u like it or not, the group synergy is so powerful that a well trained super premade can easily stomp a random pug 4v8 or even 3...

No..... Really?! Coordination, tactics and teamwork are way more effective than rambo randoms doing their own thing in a <gasp> *team-centric* game?

you don't say...

All the effort of whining is exactly 47,346% MORE than the effort required to load up TS, hop into the ComstarEU server and find a pickup group. Of random people. That earn more per match than your solo career. Sad but true. Anyways, cool story bro.

[Vermaxx]

I managed to drag two of my founder buddies back in last night. Completely different game with mates to talk to and help you do things intelligently.

I don't like internet folk, so I have not yet used any of the options freely offered, and I don't really intend to 'make new friends' as some have done. If you are like me and do not have friends in the game, you are probably better off looking for a different game.

If you don't MIND meeting internet...residents...go into one of the chat programs listed and find a group. Do what the leader says, try your best, or at least try to inconvenience someone on the other team while better players pound them. The game is completely different with groups.

That being said, I strongly doubt I will be brave enough to try the dedicated team queue of 5+, because I assume it will be curb stomping most of the time regardless of how many mates I have with me.

[Psykosis]

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I don't like internet folk, so I have not yet used any of the options freely offered, and I don't really intend to 'make new friends' as some have done

it's not like it's an offer of marriage, you don't have to "like" them on facebook, you don't even really have to talk. say "hi". goto the dropship that's looking for more (it's even announced for you so you don't have to look!), and put yer mic on mute.

seriously, typing all of the above - even forming the thoughts above require more effort than running in a random group you picked up off TS.

[Sprouticus]

The OP is totally correct. I was in a group yesterday and we stomped pugs for like 3 hours in the afternoon. We didnt lose a single match.

Of course that was in a group of 2....but still.


Ill say this again


The issue is not premade vs pug (although it is a problem, it is not the main problem)

The primary issue is that 1-2 bad players or DC's or CTD or new players makes it VERY hard for a team to win.

I would love to see the stats for pug vs pug games. I am willing to bet that MOST of them end up 8-0, 8-1, or 8-2. Yes, good player can make a difference, but losing a mech (and its armor and weapons and sensors) is a HUGE deal in MWO.

Maybe 12v12 will help that. Maybe.

[SilvaDraconis]

The fact that you feel you're being griefed simply because you're losing/dying is entertaining. I've joined premades infrequently and fight against them far more often. I really don't mind the challenge when there is one.

[Vermaxx]

Except installing TS, and finding a room, and dealing with people who are not my friends. I don't WANT to.

When I want to play a violent, gives-no-fkz game, I go play Modern War 3; because I do not need to earn income to buy the weapons, I do not need to worry about afk/exploiting players, and if I have a good run I can outweigh bad team members. And if I really want to, I can go to the 'no teams' queue.

I installed C3 today because my friend issued an ultimatim last night that he is not using Skype anymore (probably just to annoy me). I don't want to play this game with strangers. It was, in my mind, sold as a team-dependent title. I therefore saw it as the new 'social' internet activity for my group.

If I have to play stuff alone, there are better games with more engrossing goals. This is not an argument with you Psykosis, it is just my opinion.

Hell, I spend more time on the forum than I do in the game. That is why everyone hung out in the Barrens more than they'd admit, or sat around in capitol cities in WoW...because arguing on the internet is more fun than you want to admit to.