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[LanceUy]

I think this is becoming a growing concern. I have encountered more than a few times people in my team powers down when the battle is not going our way. They power down to save their repair bill and the opposing team rewards this behavior by not killing the last mech because they want the capture bounty.

See the cycle? Abandoning your team behavior is becoming more and more. I play this game for fun and I believe dying as I go down fighting and contributing to my team even if PUG. It sucks this game is turning into a c-bill grind taking priority over gameplay.

[EDMW CSN]

LanceUy, on 31 October 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

I think this is becoming a growing concern. I have encountered more than a few times people in my team powers down when the battle is not going our way. They power down to save their repair bill and the opposing team rewards this behavior by not killing the last mech because they want the capture bounty. See the cycle? Abandoning your team behavior is becoming more and more. I play this game for fun and I believe dying as I go down fighting and contributing to my team even if PUG. It sucks this game is turning into a c-bill grind taking priority over gameplay.

For some it is considered honorable to let a powered down mech surrender.

Heck it was openly indicated in the novels that when a guy powers down, people consider it unspoken rule that you have surrendered or hostilities have ceased and let you be.

Edited by EDMW CSN, 31 October 2012 - 09:17 AM.

[Lin Shai]

LanceUy, on 31 October 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

I think this is becoming a growing concern. I have encountered more than a few times people in my team powers down when the battle is not going our way. They power down to save their repair bill and the opposing team rewards this behavior by not killing the last mech because they want the capture bounty.

See the cycle? Abandoning your team behavior is becoming more and more. I play this game for fun and I believe dying as I go down fighting and contributing to my team even if PUG. It sucks this game is turning into a c-bill grind taking priority over gameplay.

No offense, but when I'm PUGing and my whole team has waddled off in different directions rambo-style to die ... why should I sacrifice myself at the alter of stupid?

When it comes down to the end of the game and my smoking mech is going to be the last one left, I'm certainly going to do my best to stay alive. If that means running off and powering down, so be it. Although since I'm a scout, usually I can just scamper off and outrun them.

[AllGamer]

i have seen first hand a lot of this indeed, since the wipe

and indeed we do just let them be

a Peaceful resolution is always acknowledged

[Vlad Ward]

I think I was just in that match with you.

While I agree that it's kinda a pain, often times there's very little that one mech would be able to do to change the course of the battle anyways.

Due to the extremely low skill floor and high skill ceiling of this game, most PUG matches are straight 0-8 wins or losses anyways.

Edit: Also, we totally had a guy power down on the opposing team the other day when my premade announced that we were just doing some fraps filming and didn't want to fight. Of course, 7/8 of the of the guys on the other team just walked into our firing line anyways and positively melted. One smart Raven saw what was going on and just shut down.

He was a good sport about it. After we were done filming, we all disconnected to give him the win for being so cool.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 31 October 2012 - 09:22 AM.

[Merix]

I think its more rude when pugs charge head on 1v8 ignoring the rest of his team and not following any kind of strategy. Powering down to live after you've already lost is fine and even lore friendly.

[Dead3ye]

I do this all the time if i am against a pre made, with almost all of my team dead and the entire enemy team still stands. It saves me C-bills and its annoying enough earning them.

[Shamoo]

OP,

I agree with previous replies to your post. Powering down is a completely legal tactic that is highly underused. There are also power down tactics that can be used to avoid being LRM'd to death. Or even used to defeat Streak boats (try powering down and then back up on a streak cat and taking shots between It can be very effective given that they have to acquire lock every time you power up and lose it when powered down )

Also admitting your defeat is honorable, not everyone has the need to go down fighting. Sometimes it just plain makes sense to admit defeat

Edited by Shamoo, 31 October 2012 - 09:26 AM.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

right because I need to entertain the 6 mechs pummeling me because my moronic 'teammates' can't read a minimap. Its amazing how people say 'stick together' then they just cut and run when they think there's too many enemies...of course they say nothing to the actual teammate next to them. I power down when I'm surrounded by 5 or more mechs, regardless of my team performance, why? because I will be dead in another second or so, so why bother?

Also, this is a round-based F2P game, nothing is really at stake; the battle we are in, is just one of dozens a player will play each night - hence individual battles lose any weight or gravity, so again why bother?

put me in a clan vs clan match with territory / mech factories / dropships / resources at stake you'll see a different level of performance.

Edited by Aaron DeChavilier, 31 October 2012 - 09:32 AM.

[LanceUy]

Yes, some good points had been brought up. If a guy fights, had his mech badly damaged and the fight is obviously over, I understand powering down as a surrender and the opposing team not killing. That I respect. What I do not like is seeing a guy on our team powered down in some hiding spot with most of his armor intact and undamaged. That just tells me he wasn't helping during the fight.

Edited by LanceUy, 31 October 2012 - 09:34 AM.

[gregsolidus]

If we're going 0/5 then hell yeah, I'm powering down. why should I commit to a suicidal charge when I literally have to pay for it?

[LanceUy]

gregsolidus, on 31 October 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

If we're going 0/5 then hell yeah, I'm powering down. why should I commit to a suicidal charge when I literally have to pay for it?

Ok, your logic seems sound and I can understand that but maybe there is a suggestion to avoid this becoming a trend? If everyone thinks like this, the moment we see 0/3, then should we all scatter and hide and power down?

[Ryan the Lion]

I don't think you have to worry about people powering down right after launch. Most will power down and surrender if they are the last remaining opposite. Happened just the other night and four of us surrounded him and the other four went to cap.

[Aaron DeChavilier]

gregsolidus, on 31 October 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

If we're going 0/5 then hell yeah, I'm powering down. why should I commit to a suicidal charge when I literally have to pay for it?

because gamers are visceral sore winners, you must entertain them with your suicicde charge otherwise you're a coward . If they win through a clear demonstration of superior abilitiy, its not enough; they are only satisfied by literally seeing the opponent team completely crushed because. The most powerful teams know when they've won, and don't need to expend any more effort. If someone powers down and your team is winning by a huge margin - just leg them once and move on; even they wanted to stealth cap they're hobbled now.

[Lane]

The enemy had 5 we had 1, and our 1 killed their 5. If he had powered down instead it would have been boring for the rest of us. If your the only one that is left either cap or run and find the enemy, try to kill or stand there and die. Anything else is a waste of everyone else's time.

Lane

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

I wonder how long this thread will go before it gets locked like the other farm threads.

[Joseph Mallan]

LanceUy, on 31 October 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

I think this is becoming a growing concern. I have encountered more than a few times people in my team powers down when the battle is not going our way. They power down to save their repair bill and the opposing team rewards this behavior by not killing the last mech because they want the capture bounty.

See the cycle? Abandoning your team behavior is becoming more and more. I play this game for fun and I believe dying as I go down fighting and contributing to my team even if PUG. It sucks this game is turning into a c-bill grind taking priority over gameplay.

FYI there is a problem where a Mech will drop and have a black screen. They are unable to play. So the problem may not be the player but the game. Be considerate and understand the game does sometimes imitate Bad playing.

[LanceUy]

Keep the discussion on the issue and share opinions and suggestions. As long as it doesn't get personal and no flames then we can have a healthy thread.

Joseph Mallan, on 31 October 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

FYI there is a problem where a Mech will drop and have a black screen. They are unable to play. So the problem may not be the player but the game. Be considerate and understand the game does sometimes imitate Bad playing.

Yes. Players often say this and that is not an issue. Perfectly understandable. Though these players often just disconnect early in the game

[Raalic]

There is a really good reason that BAP exists: powering down is a perfectly common and reasonable tactic in many situations. If it is being abused right now, as in people run off and power down before the match has really even begun, then BAP will put an end to that once properly implemented.

[gregsolidus]

LanceUy, on 31 October 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Ok, your logic seems sound and I can understand that but maybe there is a suggestion to avoid this becoming a trend? If everyone thinks like this, the moment we see 0/3, then should we all scatter and hide and power down?

Probably, that's a steep margin to come back from.