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[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

You act like there is an alternative to fighting when losing. If I just power down and surrender, they're still going to destroy me for bonus exp/bills. I may as well just keep shooting them so their repair bill is higher.

The only real alternative is to try to RUN AWAY when losing and hope they go for the base rather than chase you. But most Mechs are too slow to even try this. Unless you're a Light; it's not really viable.

[Isking]

It all depends on how many enemies are left. If its less than 4 I'll take them on. If its 4+ then no. I'm going to spend my time trying to ninja cap their base or, if they offer, surrender. There is no point to take a massive repair bill when its a losing situation.

[On1m]

I prefer to fight. There have been a few matches where the odds are 4-5 to 1 and I have almost won.

[stoph]

Back in the good ole days of 8 man groups sometimes we would offer to allow the enemy to withdraw. It was rare but I have seen situations where they conceded the base and walked off and no on fired another shot.

I have been near to the last one standing and been offered quarter and I have accepted.

If I'm already engaged and the battle becomes hopeless I fight to the last. I know I won't be able to withdraw without being killed anyways.

Since I usually run an Assault Brawler I have seen 3-4 of my "teammates" run ahead and get themselves killed before I can get anywhere near and had the last four split on two sides of the map. In those instances I find a nice hill to hide behind and power down. I'm not one to throw myself on the sword for glory's sake alone.

I have also gotten into a fight, down by 3 or even 4 but a fair share of enemy mechs were heavily damaged which we were able to finish off quickly and go on to win.

So use good judgement but if the situation is hopeless disengage if you can and allow the base capture, it isn't the path to eternal glory but it is the mercenary way.

"The dead know only one thing, it is better to be alive." - FMJ

[ReD3y3]

Seen many a light mechs sacrafice their body to delay bad guys from capping my base while we cap theirs.

Best moments in this game so far... when another guy sacrafices his mech for the win of the team.

Thanks commado pilot. I will not forget your sacrafice.

[Percival Hasek]

Bluten, on 13 November 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

You act like there is an alternative to fighting when losing. If I just power down and surrender, they're still going to destroy me for bonus exp/bills. I may as well just keep shooting them so their repair bill is higher.

The only real alternative is to try to RUN AWAY when losing and hope they go for the base rather than chase you. But most Mechs are too slow to even try this. Unless you're a Light; it's not really viable.

Many decent folks will honor a valid surrender. Hiding is safer especialyl versus PUGs who are less likely to honor a surrender, but sometimes you can't hide. (slow mech, legged mech, etc.)

[Rifter]

My rule of thumb is if im in a mech that can do 80kph+ and its hopeless i run and hide. If im in a slow mech then i fight till the death.

Simply because in a slow mech you arnt fast enough to run and hide.

[Tempered]

I'm usually hard headed and just keep fighting. It's not like they won't let me drop into another match if my mech gets clobbered.

[MacKerris]

There is no honor in quitting.

[Stoicblitzer]

I was pugging once and was an LRM boat. Naturally, my entire team died and we killed one or two.They were for sure a premade of 8 (this was before nov 6). They offered me power down and live. I accepted. One of their guys fired on me and I complained about the geneva convention. They reprimanded that guy and proceeded to group hug me. I powered up and ran happily into the catapult's outstretched arms. We embraced. I powered down again. They formed a circle around me and sacrificed me in the cleansing waters of River City. This is nonfiction.

[Tarman]

MacKerris, on 13 November 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

There is no honor in quitting.

There is no money in dying. There is no glory in being executed.

[Dmitri Valenov]

Not to completely debunk the Op's theory or anything, but I have helped win matches with a weaponless Commando and a Centurion with only two medium lasers left and pretty much everything he said that guarantees a loss. Asking me to give up so I have less repair costs isn't going to work as I'm not losing anything since this is a game. As such I will happily fire until my Mech explodes on the off chance that I can send some of my opponents to the repair bay as well.

Don't worry though, I'm sure a few people will listen to you because they think C-bills actually matter.

Dmitri

[Violette]

Stoicblitzer, on 13 November 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

I was pugging once and was an LRM boat. Naturally, my entire team died and we killed one or two.They were for sure a premade of 8 (this was before nov 6). They offered me power down and live. I accepted. One of their guys fired on me and I complained about the geneva convention. They reprimanded that guy and proceeded to group hug me. I powered up and ran happily into the catapult's outstretched arms. We embraced. I powered down again. They formed a circle around me and sacrificed me in the cleansing waters of River City. This is nonfiction.

This. Is. So. Great.

[FunkyFritter]

Personally I'm playing mechwarrior to wage war with mechs, not balance my budget.

[Dmitri Valenov]

ReD3y3, on 13 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

Seen many a light mechs sacrafice their body to delay bad guys from capping my base while we cap theirs.

Best moments in this game so far... when another guy sacrafices his mech for the win of the team.

Thanks commado pilot. I will not forget your sacrafice.

You're welcome.

[Thirdrail]

When the team I'm on is obviously losing, I decide based on how we're losing. If we're three mechs in three totally different places, I start looking for someplace out of the way to power down. If we're all together and working as a group, then there is some small hope, and I will stay and fight.

I watched a guy in a love cat destroy 6 enemies and come back from 7-1 one night. He almost won that match. This was before artemis, and before they toned down the LRMs, though, so his 2xLRM20+TAG was hitting like an orbital melta cannon. His last two kills were with a pair of medium lasers. It was pretty out of hand.

[Sawa963]

If I'm going down, I'm going down in a furious blaze of glory. I won't need c-bills when I'm in Valhalla with the other men.

[Tarman]

FunkyFritter, on 13 November 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Personally I'm playing mechwarrior to wage war with mechs, not balance my budget.

Me too, but some people are here to collect the most money and shinies. Some people are here to crank their K/D into the sky. Still others are here because their friends made them sign on. Some just like watching robots explode. There are many ways and reasons to play. If you're here to wage war, then how many guys who are on merc contracts would die for their employer just because? Also remember that war costs money. You don't ever have to surrender or powerdown yourself, or even offer terms to someone you've clearly beaten, but it is a valid endgame move.

[Divine Retribution]

To the OP:

Running away when down by 3 or more mechs isn't always the best choice because the condition of the enemy mechs aren't always known. Here's two cases I've experienced.

Case #1: The rest of my team is dead and 4 enemy mechs remain. I've got 1 LL and 1 ML left on the one torso/arm I have remaining. I like to go down hard, so I start looking for a target. Run into a pair of almost cored mechs, both of which become 1 shot kills. A third mech was in just as bad shape as me and I win out. The last one was a streak commando that runs out of ammo before finishing me off.... Our team wins. Hitting tab doesn't tell you the whole story in a fight...

Case #2: One friendly mech in decent shape left (not me), along with 3 enemy mechs. Friendly starts to run and hide. The team points out repeatedly that all 3 enemy mechs will explode if sneezed on, and are only being held together by bits of string. Friendly mech wants no part in it because there are 3 enemies... to the friendly it wouldnt matter if it were 3 unarmed, one legged hunchbacks because there were 3 of 'em.... Our team loses to cap because of cowardice. Again tab was a bad tool used to make a decision with.

Situational details should determine course of action, not a brief glimpse of the statistics screen. Along the same train of thought, if your team loses 3 terrible kamikaze pilots quickly would you surrender?

[nitra]

any one who looks up to kenny rogers deserves to be shot like the coward of the county .

so why dont you take a stand , and fight to the death instead of wussing out and pretending you are being all strategical .

cause there is nothing in this game to be strategic about .survival does nothing to provide long term gain.

nor does it conserve resources or endows bonuses .

all cowardice does is provide another halfhearted shiv preventing their team from winning because they are only partially committed to the battle as long as they are winning .

if things go badly they go run and hide.

Cowardice is the Primary reason for team loss in Mech Warrior Online !!

Edited by nitra, 13 November 2012 - 11:19 PM.