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[Gulinborsti]

I think the poll on this topic made it obvious that more than 90% of the players are heavily offended by the idea of offering 3rd person view in this game.
I don't think it will happen because it would be the most brutal slap in the face of the player base I can imagine.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Gulinborsti: i fear we may all be getting that brutal slap. Why? because we cried out that it was way to soon for open beta, and they delayed it like what 2 weeks but pushed ahead anyway? methinks they will do the same no matter what we think of 3rd person. I highly doubt that if they do this THIS incarnation sees christmas 2013.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

StORmTrAin, on 22 November 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

If you want sim go play freaking Boing 747 or something

You will Arcade ...going to Amored Core Online,WoT or Mechassault ...This game simlike planned ,the only Ground for the most to play it
This game was marketed and advertised as a simulation similar ... **** me not of my back, and tell my is raining

No to a Jump&Run Stupid Warrior for Noobplayer which can drive any car if they do not see the wheels

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Utilyan, on 22 November 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

It could be coded to where units are not revealed until a 3rd person's mech's pilot's vision has someone within peripheral.

In other words a enemy unit could be behind you and next to you......and it would be invisible until they enter the field of view of the pilot.



3rd person is all your going to want after your the best.

Look once you got your god mode mech and always find yourself on top of the list....your going to start moving towards lil' more glamour, showing off, tricking out the mech....
When you get your custom skins..... you might want 3rd person to take screen shots n' stuff.



eventually no matter what your going to want 3rd person view in the long run. The sweet view of a DFA.

Aol solaris had it, mechwarrior 2 had it........We all know those two games and now MWO is the real canon. All the table toppers and companies can cry all they want.....You were at solaris you are real vet, thats the real canon thats what realley happened.

The canon of actually being there vs. they got mechwarrior movies they call canon and now pretend like those movies never happened.......old b mechwarrior movies..... with mechs that don't even moves......like a jenner just standing there... lol 2 robots next to each other dont even move and then flame thrower goes on........... Dude....please.


sides you get to hear betty say "external camera......engaged"

Back in the day they used to FIGHT in the mechs like boxers.......thier whole armor was red even the feet before they died.

3rd person view is canon.

Oh,an New Player with 1! Post only for 3PV ...Strawman and Marionette ...what for a demagogic poor Trick of the Kidding little whining 3PV Fraction

[Viper69]

Asking for our feedback is only a comforting tactic used by corporations. You can bet a dollar to a donuts they already are working on it and implementing it. They only ask us as to appear like they really care what the people on the forums think. If you think they actually care what you think I have a log ride to sell you, you just have to squeeze into the toilet to get on the logs.

PGI told people there would be no 3rd person view in the press release of the game. You know why? It was to snag the hard core simmers who generally tend to back ferociously a sim. Look at Rise of Flight, that community is tight knit and they buy planes for each other, they are simmers. Now to keep their money up they need to draw in and keep the people who would otherwise not want to play a sim, you all know those people, the people who turned ammo off and heat off in Mech4. The non simmers who just want to blow stuff up to hell with a semblance of realism. Those are the target audience of 3rd person view. Like it or not disagree if you like, but nothing in life you do in the 3rd person, there is no reason to learn to pilot a robot by walking in the 3rd person, none at all. If you want to look at your mech, there is a pretty picture of it in the mech lab that look damn near exactly like what you are walking around in. Do you get out of your car going down the highway wondering what your car looks like speeding along? No, you dont.

[Hood]

What is going to happen is they will make 3rd person available for pay.. sorry its coming.

[GrandKlaive]

They should leave 3rd person out of the game so everyone is on equal ground.

[Gremlich Johns]

3rd person view is all about maximizing their monetary intake. If they - PGI, can figure out a way to do it without ticking off the core base MW fans, they will do it. However, FFP is the only way to play this genre of game. Third person view really does belong where the casual gamers are - on consoles.

If and when 3rd Person View appears in MWO without server limitations, I will do what I did with mektek's version of MW4 - not play. I stayed out of public or ladder leagues servers because they allowed both 3rd and 1st person view on their servers. I stayed on NBT-Mercs/HC FFP servers.

By server limitations, I mean 3 kinds: 3rd person only servers, 1st and 3rd person servers (you select which view you play with), and FFP only servers.

Otherwise, if you want third person view, PGI should make it so you can do nothing else but look - that means no cockpit controls other than pop out/in for a look and no mech movement, torso twist, or firing. You wanna shoot at something? Then you should only be in 1st person view to do it.

[Gremlich Johns]

StORmTrAin, on 22 November 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

The can segregate 1st person and 3rd person players, but eventually, the hardcore purists will have noone to play with because 3rd person is the most awesome way to play this game to fully grasp the cool environment this game offers. Think about it, the effects are going to be awesome, your going to see all the fire and missiles and rifle shots all around you, imo, a way more awesome gaming experience that being cooped up inside your little **** pit. I have been playing 1st person and it's not bad, but 3rd person is going to put you on the battlefield! Just wait and see, you're going to love it. Try to have an open mind before saying your going to hate it without giving the thought any consideration, in the future there's going to be MORE mechs, weapons, maps and who knows, this game can only get better with the involvment that it now receives. I say HAILZ YEAH to 3rd person!!

Obviously, you have never played a sim. Stay with consoles, mate. 3rd Person View really is for noobs. Mechs are on the battlefield and you are in them. Gun fire and missiles all coming at you are best seen from inside and you have to keep them from hitting you as best you can by tactical maneuver. If you are outside the mech during the firefight, you are not connected to the game. You're just shooting stuff and that mech you are sitting above is taking the heat, not you.

[Rejarial Galatan]

there is not enough of an audience out there to keep this game going if they add in third person. sorry to say it, deny it all you want by saying there is a massive audience out there, but 3rd person is gonna kill MWO. it will drive off a TON of players who came here, donated to PGI on the basis that this was not going to be a graphically polished version of MW4. They claim they are adding in <IF THEY ADD IT> 3rd person to help the newer players who have failed to grasp the mechanics of torso twist versus leg facing <a concept that they mastered IRL by simply learning to ride a bike or drive a car, or even to WALK and talk to a person NEXT TO THEM, who is ALSO walking> in a game. They look to not be adding in a TUTORIAL, by saying: we have the training grounds with VIDEOS of how to play, but, in all honesty, those videos are about as useful as a screen sunroof on a submerged SUBMARINE.

Fact is, that, those players who DO stay and put up with the BS of 3rd person will drive off the twitch crowd who came here simply because of 3rd person, because face this fact: they are not doing a bloody thing to teach players how to actually play. this game has a steep learning curve that even third person wont fix. a proper tutorial will. face it, 3rd person comes in, this game dies a month or two after, maybe 3 if they are lucky, but, it will kill it. IF they are looking to kill the game, then by all means add 3rd person.

[CutterWolf]

stated this once before and it worth stating it again. "Once this game is coded for 3rd person view, there is a 100% chance it will be hacked to allow it to be used at anytime". I have see it done over and over again to every sim type shooter that started out as a FFP only game and then had the idea that they (the dev's) could control 3rd person view use by making it an option or setting up severs that were FFP only and it got hacked anyway. Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks that won't happen is only fooling them self, if you have been around for as long as I have you know this to be the fact plan and simple..........Kiss competitive MWO gaming bye bye and shortly after that, kiss MWO bye bye.......

Edited by CutterWolf, 23 November 2012 - 07:46 PM.

[BigSteel]

nitra, on 16 November 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

i fail to see how less than 9% can be considered huge...

Because many of those who would have increased the % arent currently playing (making posts) because they have decided to not play MWO because its solely 1st person.

and ftr: its not just because its first person, but because its a clunky first person that screams robot - not mech.

[Rejarial Galatan]

because this game is broken in soo many ways right now BigSteel. THATS why it screams robot and not mech. it IS in beta still. keep that in mind.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Rokuzachi,Gimpy Warhead,Cnox and his multiple Pro-Accounts are perhaps followers of competitive games that are dividing this tactic the MWO community and want to destroy the game? because they fear that otherwise their game breaks down, by MWO????

you had to take out the collisions because there were problems, which arise only for problems if additionally a 3D view of the 'Mechs must be presented?????

Edited by CSJ Ranger, 24 November 2012 - 12:58 AM.

[AstroBot]

If you really want a 3rd person view play Mechwarrior Tactics.

[coRpSE]

How about this, after listening the pod cast, and hearing some of there arguments, I can understand about the new players to the game maybe needing it to learn to control their mech. But, I think instead of putting it into the game, create a training aspect of the game where new players can go in, and complete several levels of training with each level getting a bit harder, and eventually have it so there is no more a third person view. The whole idea of splitting up 3rd person view players from first person view is stupid. No offense. If you do that, then match finding may slow down and it gets away from what you guys have been saying from day one that this IS a first person view game.

Training levels sort-of like what World of Tanks added in and doing something along those lines would be the best option, then eventually wean them away from 3rd person view. I know this has been brought up and I know you guys could make the training matches client side, using some sort-of bot system, and it would give them the ability to play those levels and learn the game which was your argument and not split up the community in the online version into two groups like Russ had mentioned with the option to have it on or off would.

Overall, I feel that would be the best option and I am sure that the 3600+ people that voted on this thread, http://mwomercs.com/...son-its-coming/ can agree with me. It would not effect the game at all because it simply would not be there for people to use on the online aspect, but in the training rooms it can be but it would be just against bots and not other humans.

Edited by coRpSE, 24 November 2012 - 07:06 AM.

[Kaulwyn51]

Ummmm..........weren't we ALL that started this game at day one of the closed Beta newbies. We had to learn to drive, turn, twist, shoot and move our Mechs. I don't seem to remember seeing a Tutorial room for learning how to drive, shoot or well anything else. Did I just miss something everyone goes through ? A LEARNING PERIOD. I never asked to have a Mech with training wheels, I ask my friends and the ones I was dropping with, yea some were jerks, but not many. We are still out there and willing to help.

[Rizzwind]

Kaulwyn51, on 24 November 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Ummmm..........weren't we ALL that started this game at day one of the closed Beta newbies. We had to learn to drive, turn, twist, shoot and move our Mechs. I don't seem to remember seeing a Tutorial room for learning how to drive, shoot or well anything else. Did I just miss something everyone goes through ? A LEARNING PERIOD. I never asked to have a Mech with training wheels, I ask my friends and the ones I was dropping with, yea some were jerks, but not many. We are still out there and willing to help.

I agree most of us well take the time to walk new guys through the motions. Learning on 3rd POV is going to make it that much harder when they move to 1st POV. Keep them out of the bad habits to start with.

[Horned Bull]

3rd person view? Nice way to ruin the game.

[Livebait]

NO 3rd person view. NO, NEVER, NOOOOO. Stupid idea. This is a PC SIMULATION GAME not a console port.

Edited by Livebait, 24 November 2012 - 11:44 AM.