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[EvilCow]

hammerreborn, on 22 March 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Also I'm pretty sure mw:ll, which people say mwo needs to emulate, had 3rd person view as well.

MWLL does not have 3pv. In MW2 you could only look at your mech and without HUD nor reticle. It was simply for screeshots with no real gameplay use.

MW4 had it and the community suffered a split as result.

Edited by EvilCow, 22 March 2013 - 11:33 PM.

[PlzDie]

hammerreborn, on 22 March 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Gold vision causes the ability to read? Best superpower ever.

Garth's post also says third person is a possibility, in case you were also wondering.

People being paranoid doomsayers isn't something to be admired, it's to be ridiculed.



Did you also suffer through mechwarrior 2, 3, and 4 as well, you know, games with third person view. And third person was clearly hinted at in Paul's post (see above), so....good job not reading before you put that money down.

Yeah it is too bad that I put money down before that post was released in July. Before that it was never will there be a third person. So I bought an Elite package on the 28th of June or sometime around there when the Founders went live, and they came out with this post in July, two to three weeks later.

http://mwomercs.com/...age-on-sale-now


The only way you can convince me that I am in error for feeling conned is to point to post regarding them considering 3PV before they started selling Founders packages.
I had this same discussion with someone else on this same thread and because I could not get to my financial documents to confirm dates I had to back down, he used the same post as you did to try and convince everybody that they should have known, as it was clearly stated.

I do have Legendary now which was a gift, I would never bought that myself and yeah I did spend more money on MC and such, there was still a small sliver of hope and some trust that 3PV would never see the light of day. After yesterdays post from PGI, the money they got from me thus far will be the last. I will still play until they eventually throw all view modes together on one server then I will just quit.

Edited by Duppie1974, 22 March 2013 - 11:45 PM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

hammerreborn, on 22 March 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Gold vision causes the ability to read? Best superpower ever.

Garth's post also says third person is a possibility, in case you were also wondering.

People being paranoid doomsayers isn't something to be admired, it's to be ridiculed.



Did you also suffer through mechwarrior 2, 3, and 4 as well, you know, games with third person view. And third person was clearly hinted at in Paul's post (see above), so....good job not reading before you put that money down.

Your "Hammers Trolls" signature is not doing you any favors.

[Kvalheim]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Hi Mechwarriors,

So Russ let slip in an interview with No Guts No Galaxy we are looking into a 3rd person view option. It seems a lot of people are unhappy with this, so we’d like to explain our thought process here.

For reference, we also strongly recommend listening to Russ’s comments, as he provides a clear case for our approach.

Over the course of development, we’ve had a huge number of requests for a 3^rd person camera option. At this early stage, it’s something we feel that warrants further analysis, understanding and exploration.

MechWarrior Online is, and will always be, a game focused on 1st person combat in Mechs. That experience is sacrosanct to the classic Mechwarrior experience.

If we find that there is a relevant role for an optional 3^rd person camera mode, then then would simply be an additional option that, if you don’t want it, won’t affect you.

Am I the only person who read properly into that?
Sounds more like at most it'll be severely limited TPV that they still don't particularly want to implement.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Kvalheim, on 22 March 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Am I the only person who read properly into that?
Sounds more like at most it'll be severely limited TPV that they still don't particularly want to implement.

OH GOD, WE LET SOMETHING SLIP TO THE MASSES... FULL DAMAGE CONTROL MODE INITIATED! MAKE UP THE STORY'S AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GO ROGUE ON US!

it's called Damage Control Mode man. Company's do it all the time.

[Volume]

I forgot this thread still exists.

3PV would be bad, but it wouldn't be as bad as many of the other 50 things on the "bad things about MWO" list.

Edited by Volume, 22 March 2013 - 11:58 PM.

[Kvalheim]

Jade Kitsune, on 22 March 2013 - 11:37 PM, said:

OH GOD, WE LET SOMETHING SLIP TO THE MASSES... FULL DAMAGE CONTROL MODE INITIATED! MAKE UP THE STORY'S AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GO ROGUE ON US!

it's called Damage Control Mode man. Company's do it all the time.

I know, but fans also blow things way out of proportion all the time too. This isn't the first time I've seen a proposed decision turn everyone rabid, and it won't be the last. And most of those "horrible horrible" decisions turned out to have no impact whatsoever.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Kvalheim, on 22 March 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

I know, but fans also blow things way out of proportion all the time too. This isn't the first time I've seen a proposed decision turn everyone rabid, and it won't be the last. And most of those "horrible horrible" decisions turned out to have no impact whatsoever.

This is not one of those times, the lies have been proven time and again. go read the old dev blogs, go read the pillars, hell go read the discription of the game as intended on the website. "First Person only" is all over the place.

[Kvalheim]

Did you also read the rules they were looking at for 3PV?
Wherein there'd be locked to the torso, close in near cover to lower FoV, turn off the HUD completely aside from current target window, be tested to make sure that no LoS could be made in 3rd that couldn't be made in 1st.
I used TPV in MW4 only a few times, but never for an advantage; just to get better bearings on my 'Mech's position. This is one small design change that's going to have vastly less impact that everyone is making out, mostly because you're all really looking for that "one game-killer"

[Steadfast]

I am sad about this. Frustrated because I feel cheated about this sudden change. They said numerous times starting in 2011 that there will be no 3rd Person mode. Period. I wanted to play that game. Not a game where half the community or more play 3rd Person while I play 1st person. Sigh. Not that anybody cares.

Daniel

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Kvalheim, on 23 March 2013 - 12:00 AM, said:

Did you also read the rules they were looking at for 3PV?
Wherein there'd be locked to the torso, close in near cover to lower FoV, turn off the HUD completely aside from current target window, be tested to make sure that no LoS could be made in 3rd that couldn't be made in 1st.
I used TPV in MW4 only a few times, but never for an advantage; just to get better bearings on my 'Mech's position. This is one small design change that's going to have vastly less impact that everyone is making out, mostly because you're all really looking for that "one game-killer"

you were a minority.

*pro* players will use whatever is an advantage, is it an option that will confer some bonus over not using it, if yes, it will be used... it's why we've seen the prevelance of SRM's up until now, it's why we're starting to see "poptarting" as a viable tactic yet again, and it's why, when 3rd person is implimented, people will use it to get a better view.

At the end of the day though, to me, it doesn't matter if they do it in a way no advantages are gained or anything. the fact is we, as a community, as players, and especially as FOUNDERS, were blatiantly lied to about more than one thing

[Kvalheim]

Change happens in life, learn to deal with it.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Kvalheim, on 23 March 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

Change happens in life, learn to deal with it.

it's a matter of a company flat lying to it's userbase.

That's illegal, don't know if you know that or not... especially when money is heavily involved. Not only that it's a matter of ethical practice.

[Kvalheim]

How can you be sure it was "lying" and not "plans for the game changed during development cycle" like they almost always do

[SBRAAA]

pihrnaga, pls

[Aesthetech]

Kvalheim, on 23 March 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

How can you be sure it was "lying" and not "plans for the game changed during development cycle" like they almost always do

Because MWO Is a released game for which users can pay money to access/use content, and once you open up the wallets you also open up the floodgates...

[Cale MacKenna]

They have stated numerous times that this game would not be pay to win as well. With stuff like these consumables coming in that line of p2w is very blurred to them. Now after saying for ages there would be no 3rd person view, they are now changing course and saying they are looking into adding it.

I love this game, play it every chance I get. I appreciate what the devs have done, that is up until the consumables which no one wanted them to add, and now this. Wish they would:

1. put out more mechs at a faster rate.
2. Stop lying to us all the time.
3. pick a group that knows what they are doing when it comes to the ask the devs. Since we get nothing but junk responses that totally avoid answering the questions.
4. MORE MECHS
5. Actually listen to their player base about what THEY want to see put into the game, instead of what a few people want and then add that.

Is it really so hard to do? I am not saying the programming and coding is easy, by all means it is not. I would just like for them to tell us something and STICK TO IT. Sure they are being hassled by their backers, and because of that they ignore the rest of us who paid to purchase a founders package, and who has/is purchasing MC. It is really bad for business and a very good way to drive off the players.


When will you (the devs) actually listen to us? 90% of the player base do not want 3rd person view put into the game. Can you not accept that and LISTEN to us?
We want more mechs and maps entered into the game, yet you take your time to put these in as well.

Again, I love this game, I really do not want to stop playing because of your choices to ignore us..

[Duncan Aravain]

My concern is that PGI is using their finite, and it appears limited, programming assets to work on a project that a small percentage of interested gamers want. I would think, as a business person myself, that you would want to maximize your production assets to create products that the largest number of consumers would want to buy. Quality products like maps and new mechs would be far more logical than a third person view and, in the long run, make far more money as it creates a more vibrant and interesting product that people will spend money on to customize for PGI. In addition, programming assets are going to be stretched for CW and, quite bluntly, CW is going to be the make or break part for this game.

Edited by Duncan Aravain, 23 March 2013 - 04:55 AM.

[grayson marik]

I rather think its is not PGI's fault but the publishers fault. We should go to IGP instead PGI.

[xhrit]

I for one, want 3rd person view. every other mechwarrior game has had it.

I also want pve....

every other mechwarrior game has had that, too.