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[Goldhawk]

Okay, maybe this is too much to ask, but since according to my knowledge, we are going to be stuck with Inner Sphere tech, when the game begins at 3049ish. At the time, 98% of the Inner Sphere were using
Large Lasers
Medium Lasers
Small Lasers
AC/20
AC/10
AC/5
AC/2
LRM20
LRM15
LRM10
LRM5

But But Goldhawk where iz my LBX 10 and by Gauss rifle. I needz my gauss rifle.

IT DIDN'T EXIST.
Much of the good stuff, Beagle Active Probe, DECENT ECM, and CASE came online in the two years after the Clanners came back in town.
Seriously, can we stop talking about mechs and technologies that come out in the later years? We know there are going to be MRMs, but there is no point in saying, that you will equip your Catapult mech with them?

MW2: Mercenaries did an excellent job of making whatever technologies available at that time. The regular army does not get Gauss until 3055. Kai Allard Liao got a Gauss rifle in 3052. Why? He was elite! He turned down a Daishi so that Victor Davion and Hohiro Kurita would have equal mech platforms to work with.
When does this game start? 3049ish. When is the 1st gauss rifle seen in the Inner Sphere? Coming at them from the clan side, and the Inner Sphere was like ***.?!!!

Now lets cover it again, Inner Sphere, 3052, Gauss technologies, double heatsinks, LBX10, CASE, and a few other innovations. If you have confusion. Look at the 3050 and the 3055 technical readouts. Those will inform you of the technology of the time.

Also, Clan mechs were EXTREMELY rare to get salvaged until about 3058. Then, Operation Bulldog and Operation Serpent captured many many clan mechs so that seeing them on Inner Sphere battlefields went from 20% rare to 40% rare.

When does the Game start? 3049.

No Devistator, or make it an old varient with auto cannons. Also, that was a prototype. You have to be in good with that planet or that production company just to see it let along pilot it. Short of many of the players on this game "Finding" a Star League depot full of Star League era mechs, there are not going to be any available. Even if you pay out of pocket. All the good tech is gone.

Only Comstar and a few Kurita ELITE regiments got the good Star League mechs.

[Monky]

The existence of rare mech frames like the Raven already being included in the game fairly clearly rebutts this.

Sorry, but rare IS/Starleague tech is likely going to be in the game at launch, maybe pricey, but we'll see. Also you forgot SRM's and special equipment. DON'T FORGET THE SRMS!

[Garth Erlam]

I think what he's saying is there's a difference between "cool, a Raven, that has (some limited, especially the 1X) lostech" vs. "I'm some mook starting out in a Merc Corp, where's my Awesome with dual heatsinks and Guardian ECM?"
The answer, Billy, is in the future, Bobby!

Unless I'm reading him all wrong.

[Motionless]

I can still get a madcat though, right?

[Garth Erlam]

Not if Paul is still here.

[Kenyon Burguess]

http://www.sarna.net...Equipment_Lists

what your looking for in the list is rules level 1, 2 and std ratings. they should or will be very soon available for the 3050 time period. however, your going to need to click the items themselves to tell for sure. some of the dates are 3060 ect. ect. on std. but that is the list for everything

Edited by Geist Null, 04 May 2012 - 09:02 AM.

[Adridos]

monky, on 04 May 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

The existence of rare mech frames like the Raven already being included in the game fairly clearly rebutts this.

Raven isn't that rare.

Just the tech it uses to be really effective is.

[Monky]

It depends on how it is implimented in the final product, IMO since it's pretty impractical to try and measure the exact number of x equipment at x time of introduction, the rare equipment should be available and just expensive. Updating your Urbie with an LBXAC10 and another ton of ammo should probably be prohibitively expensive, but not impossible.

From SARNA;

Year Availability Clan = 2595
IS = 3035^[1]
Note that this is only for the AC10 version, the others don't appear until salvaged off of clans/produced independently in 3058

I would also contend the Raven at this point in time is exceedingly rare, a few are in the hands of the cappies and a few are in the hands of the davions to my knowledge.

Edited by monky, 04 May 2012 - 09:05 AM.

[Orzorn]

Goldhawk, on 04 May 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

Much of the good stuff, Beagle Active Probe, DECENT ECM, and CASE came online in the two years after the Clanners came back in town.
Now lets cover it again, Inner Sphere, 3052, Gauss technologies, double heatsinks, LBX10, CASE, and a few other innovations. If you have confusion. Look at the 3050 and the 3055 technical readouts. Those will inform you of the technology of the time.

Oh YEAH?!

Quote

CASE
Introduced: 2476 (Terran Hegemony)
Extinct: 2840 (Inner Sphere)
Recovered: 3036 (Draconis Combine)

Double Heat Sink:
Introduced: 2567 (Terran Hegemony)
Extinct: 2865 (Inner Sphere)
Recovered: 3040 (Federated Suns)

Standard Gauss Rifle
Introduced: 2590 (Terran Hegemony)
Extinct: 2865 (Inner Sphere)
Recovered: 3040 (Free Worlds, Lyran Commonwealth, Draconis
Combine)

Beagle Active Probe
Introduced: 2576 (Terran Hegemony)
Extinct: 2835 (Inner Sphere)
Recovered: 3045 (Capellan Confederation)

ECM Suite
Introduced: 2597 (Terran Hegemony)
Extinct: 2845 (Inner Sphere)
Recovered: 3045 (Capellan Confederation)

Anti Missile System
Introduced: 2617 (Terran Hegemony)
Extinct: 2796 (Inner Sphere)
Recovered: 3040 (Federated Commonwealth)

Artemis IV Fire Control System
Introduced: 2598 (Terran Hegemony)
Extinct: 2855 (Inner Sphere)
Recovered: 3035 (Free Worlds League)

LB-X Autocannon
Introduced: 2595 (Terran Hegemony [LB 10-X]); circa 2820 (Clans [LB
2-X, 5-X, 20-X])
Extinct: 2840 (Inner Sphere)
Reintroduced: 3035 (Federated Commonwealth [LB 10-X]); 3058
(Federated Suns [LB 2-X, 5-X, 20-X])

All of those are well within the timeline. It might be a little hard to get, but rare? Not so sure about that.

Edited by Orzorn, 04 May 2012 - 09:03 AM.

[Joe Mallad]

Motionless, on 04 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

I can still get a madcat though, right?

No... You can not. The clans and their tech are not in the game to start. The game starts a whole year before the clan invasion and seems to be going by a real day is 1 day in the game history. So we should not see the clans or any of their mech/tech for about a real year.

[Motionless]

Yoseful Mallad, on 04 May 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

No... You can not. The clans and their tech are not in the game to start. The game starts a whole year before the clan invasion and seems to be going by a real day is 1 day in the game history. So we should not see the clans or any of their mech/tech for about a real year.

Yeah but I can still get mine though, right?

[DeadWingman]

Motionless, on 04 May 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

I can still get a madcat though, right?

U can have it in a Few months after lanuch when the clans invade

[GrimJim]

Eeeeehhhh......

Its a good rant, seriously, I mean it. But many of these "lostech" items were making their way into units post Helm in '28. The FedSuns had even cobbled together the double heatsink (sorta) in 3022 on Hoff (one of FASAs first modules in 1986 dealt with this).

By the War of '39 80% of these weapons and a good number of revived and new chassises were fielded in some form or another (albeit no altogether as efficient or as effective as they are in 3052).

3052 is the point were all these things actually worked well and started to become more common. Before then the stuff was there but went to the elites and tech savvy nations....

...mind you with Loyalty Points, I think the devs mean to include players in these ranks thus making the uncommon.... common

[DeadWingman]

Orzorn, on 04 May 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Oh YEAH?!



All of those are well within the timeline. It might be a little hard to get, but rare? Not so sure about that.

Might be hard but they came out in TRO 3050, dont know if they are sticking to the TRO there

[Opus]

Yoseful Mallad, on 04 May 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

No... You can not. The clans and their tech are not in the game to start. The game starts a whole year before the clan invasion and seems to be going by a real day is 1 day in the game history. So we should not see the clans or any of their mech/tech for about a real year.

true, but it still will take a year to filter into IS gear; captured or salvaged Clantech can't be just slapped on any old IS mech.

BUT since salvage is not going to part of launch, who the hell knows . .

[Sigmund Sandoval]

I think I will be fine with the regular IS technology and have advancements come through expansion of the game. I don't mind working through the Clans tech advantage for a while.

[wwiiogre]

But Goldhawk they all exist and before the clan attacks. So your post makes no sense to me.

Active Probe 3045 Liao
Anti Missile System 3040 Federated Commonwealth
Ferro Armor 3040 Draconis Combine
Artemis 4 Fire Control System 3035 Free Worlds League
LBX-10 AC 3035 Fed Com
Ultra AC5 3035 Fed Suns
C3 Master/Slave Computers 3050 Draconis Combine
CASE 3036 Draconis Combine
ECM Suite 3035 Liao
XL Engine 3035 Lyran Commonwealth
Gauss Rifle 3040 Free Worlds League, Lyran Commonwealth, Draconis Combine
Hatchet 3022 Lyran Commonwealth
Double Heat Sinks 3040 Federated Suns
Endo Steel Internal Structure 3035 Draconis Combine
ER Large Lasers 3037 Draconis Combine
Pulse Lasers 3037 Draconis Combine
Streak SRM-2 3035 Free Worlds League
Missile Special Munitions only Inferno SRM loads are available in this time frame
MASC 3035 Liao
NARC 3035 Free Worlds League
ERPPC 3037 Draconis Combine
TAG 3033 Federated Suns
Triple Strenght Myomer 3050 Liao

Sorry Goldhawk, there is a Santa Claus. But what we don't know is when Christmas will come in MWO or when or if these will be available or what they will cost or how much xp it will take to open up the mech variants that use these wonderful weapons, engines, structure, heat sinks, or equipment.

Chris

ninja'd while I typed

Edited by wwiiogre, 04 May 2012 - 09:14 AM.

[Orzorn]

DeadWingman, on 04 May 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Might be hard but they came out in TRO 3050, dont know if they are sticking to the TRO there

I got all of those numbers from the TechManual, so they are accurate.

[Garth Erlam]

wwiiogre, on 04 May 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

But Goldhawk they all exist and before the clan attacks. So your post makes no sense to me.

Active Probe 3045 Liao
Anti Missile System 3040 Federated Commonwealth
Ferro Armor 3040 Draconis Combine
Artemis 4 Fire Control System 3035 Free Worlds League
LBX-10 AC 3035 Fed Com
Ultra AC5 3035 Fed Suns
C3 Master/Slave Computers 3050 Draconis Combine
CASE 3036 Draconis Combine
ECM Suite 3035 Liao
XL Engine 3035 Lyran Commonwealth
Gauss Rifle 3040 Free Worlds League, Lyran Commonwealth, Draconis Combine
Hatchet 3022 Lyran Commonwealth
Double Heat Sinks 3040 Federated Suns
Endo Steel Internal Structure 3035 Draconis Combine
ER Large Lasers 3037 Draconis Combine
Pulse Lasers 3037 Draconis Combine
Streak SRM-2 3035 Free Worlds League
Missile Special Munitions only Inferno SRM loads are available in this time frame
MASC 3035 Liao
NARC 3035 Free Worlds League
ERPPC 3037 Draconis Combine
TAG 3033 Federated Suns
Triple Strenght Myomer 3050 Liao

Sorry Goldhawk, there is a Santa Claus. But what we don't know is when Christmas will come in MWO or when or if these will be available or what they will cost or how much xp it will take to open up the mech variants that use these wonderful weapons, engines, structure, heat sinks, or equipment.

Chris

ninja'd while I typed

I think what he's saying is them existing is not the same as them being usable. People seem to think that every Mechwarrior was rolling in multi-million c-bill beds.

[Opus]

Sigmund Sandoval, on 04 May 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

I think I will be fine with the regular IS technology and have advancements come through expansion of the game. I don't mind working through the Clans tech advantage for a while.

I actually prefer IS tech, in many ways...

Better heat/damage ratios for prolonged battles - Clan tech is costly and not replaceable sometimes if damaged/destroyed

Garth Erlam, on 04 May 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

I think what he's saying is them existing is not the same as them being usable. People seem to think that every Mechwarrior was rolling in multi-million c-bill beds.

We're not ?