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[Franchi]

Lindonius, on 27 November 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

I don't think you'll be seeing many Jenner Ds with ECM considering that an ECM takes up 2 slots and the Jenner D only has one spare slot in it's head.

It's not letting me put it on mine in the mechlab. Unless I'm missing something.

You are missing the fact that it goes in any slot like the BAP, they just didn't remove it from the head list when they removed it a few patches back.

[Lindonius]

Aaaah thanks for your eludication.

[Aegis Kleais]

Harmatia, on 27 November 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

It's the Internets, that's what "things" do. Right? Right!

Like you wouldn't believe, brotha.

[malibu43]

The one thing that seems weird to me is the 20m band (180-200m). That is just ridiculous. It should be 180-400m or something like that.

Oh, and I vote for allowing all ravens to carry ECM. And not Jenners.

[SpiralRazor]

Aegis Kleais, on 27 November 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

No need to drama queen it. We're guinea pigs. If they see the current implementation is too powerful, they WILL adjust it. No need to blow up at every proposed change.

Theres no need to test it...its simply over powered from the get go unless it functions SIGNIFICANTLY different then whats described.

And why would they do that?

[Merrik Starchaser]

AHZeruel, on 27 November 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

I hope they hand that out with the hotfix ready. I agree that Ravens and Commandos could use a buff, Not sure about the Cicada, and the Atlas is already a Walking Fortress, so no complaints there. But missiles are the only reliable way to scare Jenner harassers away.

Jenners have all the tools to be effective on the field, more than the other lights mentioned. They have great speed, jumpjets, lagshields and no knockdown, EMC should be for the other lights or "fast" mechs that could be hunters or harassers.

Jenner is good as it is, EMC would be too much IMO.

Agreed!

[Terick]

Kobold, on 27 November 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

How did I never notice this before? *checks pages 134-135 of Total Warfare under "ECM suite"* *checks page 138 of Total Warfare under "Streak SRMs"* Oh right, I never noticed it because you're wrong.

hmm... so they changed the TT rules on ECM... pretty lame about that one for TT. Might have to go to the official formus to hunt it down to see what the reason was, but then in TT. The to-hit number would still be high and wouldn't make as much of a diffrence as it does here.

Since you are wanting to go with the Tac Ops rules. I want Ghost targeting. Yes, give you a few other mechs to shoot at and not know which one is real, but you can get sensor locks to waste STREAKs on them.

I still support the Jenner NOT beign able to carry ECM. For Raven and Commando, they could really use it. Even the flea could...

Edited by Terick, 28 November 2012 - 12:03 AM.

[p00k]

if they can fix the netcode before dec4, ecm granting effective immunity from streaks wouldn't be so bad. but as things stand, ballistics are awful since you can't really tell how much you have to lag lead any given jenner until you land a shot on them. lasers you can rake to find the sweet spot, but even then it's inconsistent as far as doing meaningful damage to one component. streaks are the mainstay of jenner swatting as a result

take away streaks without fixing lagshields takes away the only reliable way to damage jenners. at which point the game degrades into a jenner version of the nov6 mess. the only way to beat lrm boats jenners is to take a lrm boat jenner, murder everyone else who didn't get the memo, then lrm jenner duel it out with the survivors

[GalaxyBluestar]

really this is the worst news ever, this game needs it's bugs fixed and balance in game play, not more encouragement for exploiting rats ruining every other chassis in the game. oh yeah i can't wait to play a game that's a wash with jenners all picking on new INCOME in trial mechs and driving them away.

this encourages no new builds at all the game won't be mech warrior it will be strek cat vs jenner. that's how biased it will become if we keep exploiting glitches and ill designed equipment like this. boring as hell!

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 28 November 2012 - 12:18 AM.

[Farmer]

I'm just...I'll just be in the mechlab, washing my Raven. She has no purpose anymore. PGI just made the Jenner D variant the best light in all things. I just...There are no words to describe the stupidity in allowing the -D, let alone ANY Jenner, run EW equipment.

[p00k]

GalaxyBluestar, on 28 November 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

r it will be strek cat vs jenner. that's how biased it will become if we keep exploiting glitches and ill designed equipment like this. boring as hell!

streak cats will be worthless. srm6 cats, if you're lucky with your lag leading, might have a chance if you nail them with a solid alpha, but given lack of collisions that's a challenge in and of itself

Farmer, on 28 November 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

I'm just...I'll just be in the mechlab, washing my Raven. She has no purpose anymore. PGI just made the Jenner D variant the best light in all things. I just...There are no words to describe the stupidity in allowing the -D, let alone ANY Jenner, run EW equipment.

the raven has a purpose! you can paint it! and look at your fancy paintjob! in mechlab! because it's suicide to take it on the battlefield against a jenner...*ahem*

[Clay Pigeon]

If a jenner variant gets ECM, there will be no reason for the raven L.

[BigJim]

This thread makes me worry for humanity, and specifically among them, this game community.

I was half way through a nice long rebuttal out pointing out why the OP is wrong in his analysis of the problem, wrong in the way he plays, wrong in his fears, and wrong in the way he thinks.

But tbh it's too much trouble, so I'll just quietly pity him in silence.

<pity>

That Said, making it the Jenner-K, and a different commando would be a better move. That's all that needs done.

<checks to make sure sky isn't falling>

Phew. Close one.

Edited by BigJim, 28 November 2012 - 06:21 AM.

[Orkhepaj]

Kobold, on 27 November 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Unsure why PGI felt the need to make ECM wildly more powerful/versatile than it is in standard BT universe.

Cause they did the same thing with the jenner , and look how awesome it turned out.

[p00k]

BigJim, on 28 November 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

<checks to make sure sky isn't falling>

Phew. Close one.

no one said the sky is falling. it isn't dec 4 yet obviously hope i see you in my jenner next week

[Percival Hasek]

Can't lock Missiles? Really? Well, theres an easy to call nerf. Heck, if they just want to eliminate all LRM boats, maybe they should just do so.

[Icebound]

Once knockdowns are back in, it won't matter anymore.

[Kousagi]

Percival Hasek, on 28 November 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Can't lock Missiles? Really? Well, theres an easy to call nerf. Heck, if they just want to eliminate all LRM boats, maybe they should just do so.

The can't lock missiles will only take effect if the ECM is within 180m of you, which if you are firing LRM's at a mech 180m's from you, then I feel for you. If anything, this is more a nerf to SSRM's, Which is a good thing as SSRM's are retardly op right now vs anything.

[Ransack]

I guess I will spend the rest of phase 1 piloting my founder's Jenner. Can anyone recommend a decent build? As currently configured, I overheat a lot.

Jenners really do not need any sort of buffage at all in my opinion.

[Purlana]

Jenner Warrior Online.

Reactor Online. Sensors Online. Weapons Online. ECM Online. All Systems Nominal.

Edited by Purlana, 28 November 2012 - 07:46 AM.