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[LordBraxton]

Lefty Lucy, on 05 December 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

The thing is, there is an actual competitive game mode now. Whether or not that game mode had some class or weight-based limitations would be better for balance is largely inconsequential to said competition. Ideally I'd like to see game balance be good enough that medium mechs have a place (the oft-touted "role warfare"). Barring that, some sort of incentive to play them other than in-game economics *would* be nice.

However, in the here-and-now, if you really want competition, you have to step up and play to the current metagame. I'd love to be able to usefully use some of my wacky builds in 8 v 8. However, I find that the thrill of good competition beats the desire to use less useful mechs, so I strap on my ECM suite and play better.

I agree with you, Ive had a blast running my 9M in these very tense matches.

But 8v8 premade matches is nothing new to me, I was part of plenty back in CB, and they were way more balanced and the oft toted role warfare was working like a charm.

All they have to do is bring class matching back and we are golden. Tonnage limits would be ideal, along with a mechcommander style lobby showing your teammates, the mech they have selected, and a bar showing your total tonnage. You could even have LEAGUES for each tonnage limit. Lovely separate metagames to enjoy!

BASICALLY I'm saying I like everything but they F'ed up the meta by removing weight balance. I know people hate TT comparisons but there is a reason Battletech matches are balanced on a Value system, not all mechs are created equal.

Edited by LordBraxton, 05 December 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[Stoicblitzer]

lol pugs would get slaughtered at the level 8v8s are currently playing at. It's a ton of fun win or lose. People who are working together and 0 AFKs or suiciders? That's good ****. It's true that they should add some balance tweaks, but overall I am very happy.

[hammerreborn]

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Coincidentally, I have been "called out" three times during matches from people that either didn't like me because of a forums post, or what happened in a previous round

Apparently I incurred the wrath of the Goons for my forum posts. There were a lot of streaks shoved up my Jenners *** that match

Edited by hammerreborn, 05 December 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

bug3at3r, on 05 December 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Anyone else see this coming?


*phail topic title

Should say
Calling It Now; Premades Will Start Complaing About Dropping against 'elitists' And 'try Hards'

Wow. And of course, the game is so scary now that PUGnation can't blame all their losses on Mythical Premade Hordes, that instead you spend all your time on the forums mewling further exaggerations and generalizations. Spend half as much time actually playing the game as you do whinging about it, and you might win more.

Thank you Nostradumbass (I wish I could remember who coined this phrase to give credit where due), for stating the obvious, that yes, there will be E-peen players without the skills to match their egos that come mewling back to 4v4/Pug drops. Just as there will continue to be phucktards PUGs who blame their lack of tactics and skills on Premades.

And as usual, another thread that contributes nothing of use, just helps stroke the delicate ego of the OP and any sycophants he picks up along the way,

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 05 December 2012 - 11:38 AM.

[Tasorin]

bug3at3r, on 05 December 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

Anyone else see this coming? *phail topic title Should say Calling It Now; Premades Will Start Complaing About Dropping against 'elitists' And 'try Hards'

Scrub troll is scrub.

The problem the 8 man queue is having that is causing some groups to chafe is that there is no weight balancing or battle value mechanic in the current match making phase II. It's a bring what you got kind of queue which has devolved into Fatlas:Online and pretty much neutered any Medium or non-min/max load out.

Now those of us who have a solid team could drop 8 light/mediums vs 8 heavy/assaults and still win matches, it's the pick up 8-mans who are dropping with crap builds or crap 8 man configurations that are going to get pooped on and complain.

Most of us who want a competitive MWO view the 8-man queue as a small step in the right direction.

Now your 2 seconds of trolling are up, get back in the box ya non-factor.

[Viper69]

Stoicblitzer, on 05 December 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

lol pugs would get slaughtered at the level 8v8s are currently playing at. It's a ton of fun win or lose. People who are working together and 0 AFKs or suiciders? That's good ****. It's true that they should add some balance tweaks, but overall I am very happy.

agree 100% it was a slaughter before ECM, it would be outright ********(gen o cide is edited out?) after ECM. Last night in one of our 8 man drops we literally got rolled like we were a pug because we froze up and stopped calling targets. We got beat 8-1, and it was embarrassing. To the opposing teams credit they did not insult or trash talk and neither did we. It would have been nice though to be able to talk after the match with them. Either way we ate our humble pie and went in for seconds a few times :0.

Edited by Viper69, 05 December 2012 - 11:42 AM.

[PropagandaWar]

Stoicblitzer, on 05 December 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

lol pugs would get slaughtered at the level 8v8s are currently playing at. It's a ton of fun win or lose. People who are working together and 0 AFKs or suiciders? That's good ****. It's true that they should add some balance tweaks, but overall I am very happy.

Yeah but Oh crap when we would get 2 discos. That actually happened a few times last night. Sucked but what can ya do.

Viper69, on 05 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

agree 100% it was a slaughter before ECM, it would be outright ********(gen o cide is edited out?) after ECM. Last night in one of our 8 man drops we literally got rolled like we were a pug because we froze up and stopped calling targets. We got beat 8-1, and it was embarrassing. To the opposing teams credit they did not insult or trash talk and neither did we. It would have been nice though to be able to talk after the match with them. Either way we ate our humble pie and went in for seconds a few times :0.

And calling targets that others cant see because of ECM. Yeah bad a-s-s!

Edited by PropagandaWar, 05 December 2012 - 11:44 AM.

[Jman5]

Stoicblitzer, on 05 December 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

lol pugs would get slaughtered at the level 8v8s are currently playing at. It's a ton of fun win or lose. People who are working together and 0 AFKs or suiciders? That's good ****. It's true that they should add some balance tweaks, but overall I am very happy.

Interestingly enough I've seen very very few AFK/Crashed players in my PuGs since the latest patch rolled out. Maybe a handful here and there. Either they fixed some of the CTD problems, or they banned the people abusing it.

I have only seen 1 suicider so far.

Edited by Jman5, 05 December 2012 - 11:47 AM.

[hammerreborn]

Jman5, on 05 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Interestingly enough I've seen very very little AFK/Crashed players in my PuGs since the latest patch rolled out. Maybe a handful here and there. Either they fixed some of the CTD problems, or they banned the people abusing it.

I don't think we had any CTD during the match, but commonly during the loading phase we would lose a player or two.

[IceSerpent]

Stoicblitzer, on 05 December 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

lol pugs would get slaughtered at the level 8v8s are currently playing at. It's a ton of fun win or lose. People who are working together and 0 AFKs or suiciders? That's good ****. It's true that they should add some balance tweaks, but overall I am very happy.

/signed

[Lefty Lucy]

Viper69, on 05 December 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Anyone who says or said was not fun and or easy to beat a pug with an 8 man premade is only lying. Everyone loved it, now we have to put up or shut up and fight equally organized opponents (potentially).

Nah, I played in a lot of 8-mans when I was brand new in CB, but quit out of boredom until phase 1 MM was implemented.

[Viper69]

Lefty Lucy, on 05 December 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Nah, I played in a lot of 8-mans when I was brand new in CB, but quit out of boredom until phase 1 MM was implemented.

I understand and a lot of us did as well, hell I only played 4-5 matches a night because I got sick of being shot in the *** by some goon with a new laser.

[Phades]

Kobold, on 05 December 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

This is where tonnage limits are better than straight weight class matching.  If you have 150 tons for two players, do you bring an Atlas and a Hunchback, or do you bring an Awesome and a Cataphract?  Reasonable minds can disagree, and let the players do what they want.  However it still provides some balance, otherwise you will see far too many teams made up of 4 D-DCs, 2 ravens, and 2 Gausscats.

1 Dragon, 1 k2 + Commando prz.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lefty Lucy, on 05 December 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Nah, I played in a lot of 8-mans when I was brand new in CB, but quit out of boredom until phase 1 MM was implemented.

Gotta agree. Sometimes, if you had a particularly ugly day of matches, a "PUGstomp" at least let you grin a bit, mostly out of relief. Funny part is, one of those days I did that, the "PUG" group turned out to be Premies, who dropped by our TS channel to congratulate us, cuz they had never been stomped so hard.

I generally like to play the game for hard fought matches, and slow, grinding, EARNED accomplishments. Same way I like my sports (a blowout is boring 99% of the time, but occasionally, especially against a rival, you do take a little evil satisfaction. But the experience is not as fun as if both teams fought and scratched and the outcome wasn't decided til the final second)

Even more, just got tired of trying to herd cats on a bunch of people who ran off like a shotgun blast, got killed willy nilly, then wanted to cry that that premade is unfair... when I know for a fact we were facing other pugs (when you drop in groups enough you get to know who most Premades are, and can see who else is doing what in the server, though sometimes people use different servers).

[Odins Fist]

Agent of Change, on 05 December 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

I personally don't hold grudges against forumites, however this is further going to prove my point, which also seems to be your point. If running against the pug players is so much easier than running in teams a player that considers himself as good as you are should feel as ashamed playing the lesser challenge as the people this thread is trying to shame.

If you aren't running in an 8 man, why not?
If you aren't going to run in an 8 man for any reason what gives you any place to say anything?

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Did I say I "WAS" or "WASN'T" running in 8 man premades..?? Ah I see, you assume, and there is your flaw.
Also, I do not subscribe to, read or listen to quasi intellectualism without pointing out it's flaws..

[MaddMaxx]

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"And calling targets that others cant see because of ECM. Yeah bad a-s-s!"

We adapted by giving out Grid Co-ordinates and general direction of travel, instead of a letter of the alphabet, until such time as true LoS can be achieved.

[Solis Obscuri]

Kobold, on 05 December 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

There are a lot of pots and kettles on this forum.

I need more room in my sig...

[Agent of Change]

Odins Fist, on 05 December 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

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Did I say I "WAS" or "WASN'T" running in 8 man premades..?? Ah I see, you assume, and there is your flaw.
Also, I do not subscribe to, read or listen to quasi intellectualism without pointing out it's flaws..

Did I say you WERE or WEREN'T running in 8 man premades. No I simply asked a question and pointed out a general flaw in the argument being made if a player (see no specific accusation) was as good as you (simply using your example of prowess as a baseline) should probably not say anything critical about an action they were participating in while implying others would be doing the same (if it doesn't apply to you it doesn't, but it does apply to some on this thread).

The I asked two questions because i made no assumptions about your gaming preferences. You'll note the If's, that usually means a question. I admit it may have seemed rhetorical, it was not.

I mean really I would worry more about comprehension of the post before you trying to dismiss something quasi-intellectual. Clearly stated points in full sentences is just good form.

Edited by Agent of Change, 05 December 2012 - 12:19 PM.

[JimSuperBleeder]

http://mwomercs.com/...-boards-needed/

I posted this yesterday. Idea for separating the two groups.

[PureNO]

Dukov Nook, on 05 December 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

Even the sun shines on a dogs behind every once in a while.

Then we should set up a scrim ,since we were only able to barely beat you 7-1.