#461
Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:50 PM
"you... you brought this on yourself."
#462
Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:00 PM
Bromineberry, on 05 January 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:
1) make ECM heavier?
It now only weighs about 1,5 tons. It's basically a no-brainer to install on your mech. Is there ANY reason, to run a light mech NOT equipped with ECM? In my eyes, there isn't, because ECM makes a light mech SO much more viable on the battlefield. If the module was to weigh let's say 5 tons, THAT would be a huge drawback for a light mech, because that would mean, tha you have to give up speed and/or weapons and/or armor. And it would lead to the pilot having to make a decission what he needs more. And 5 tons are a lot...even for an Atlas. And no, I don't care what TT rules say about the weigh...
This was the first thing I stated in our voice chat by the 3rd or 4th round I played after ECM was initiated. At 1.5tons it is a no-brainer, keep all your weapons, your speed, your armor, and add HUGE tactical advantage. No question whether or not to run it even to the point that 25% of the players dropped their favorite mechs for the 4 ECM variants. THAT is what they need to fix. ECM needs to be a trade-off. Don't nerf it into oblivion, don't provide another band-aid "counter", just carefully balance it in. If it provides too much of an advantage, build in some disadvantages. Weight/heat is the universal balance in MWO.
Hunchback 4sp driver (don't own a cat or light-mech) so this is purely 3rd-party looking in...
--billyM
#464
Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:10 PM
neviu, on 05 January 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:
*snip*
... very mature.
yes, drive away the paying community, drive away new players, drive away the chance of ever getting this game to become it's full potential.
... very mature
Edited by gavilatius, 05 January 2013 - 01:11 PM.
#466
Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:16 PM
gavilatius, on 05 January 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:
yes, drive away the paying community, drive away new players, drive away the chance of ever getting this game to become it's full potential.
you know,
ime just getting sick of all the godam gazilion threads about freaking ecm,
and this dude well yea,,
liking his own posts,
just funny..
#468
Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:18 PM
neviu, on 05 January 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:
you know,
ime just getting sick of all the godam gazilion threads about freaking ecm,
and this dude well yea,,
liking his own posts,
just funny..
you're not making it any better.
come up with a suitable solution to this problem, and maybe people will tolerate you a bit more.
#469
Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:20 PM
ime a evil man.
#471
Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:36 PM
gavilatius, on 05 January 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:
come up with a suitable solution to this problem, and maybe people will tolerate you a bit more.
How about heat, tonnage and hardpoints.
Make it heavy
If it's pumping out enough electromagnetic radiation to block line of sight microwave designators, it has to be generating a crap-ton of heat, too.
All that energy to flood the EM spectrum has to come from somewhere. It will require an energy point.
While we're at it, let's require it to be in an arm energy hardpoint. Torso is too shielded, legs to low, head would cook the pilot like the microwave generator it is.
Heat, tonnage and energy hardpoints.
There's a reason modern ECM aircraft are largely unarmed. The freaking ECM takes up all the space and capacity.
Oh, and while you're at the exact ground zero of all the interference garbage on all spectra, why the hell should your own targeting computers work?
Edited by Suicidal Idiot, 05 January 2013 - 03:37 PM.
#472
Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:14 PM
Meanwhile BAP should detect units hidden by cover if within 120m."
Now that is a good idea!
Edited by Livebait, 05 January 2013 - 04:15 PM.
#473
Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:15 PM
That's all you need.
making this a "soft-counter" would even it out.
we can make Angel ECM a hard-counter for even more weight later.
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Tag is still 1 ton... WHO THE HELL DID THIS?
#474
Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:18 PM
This would be a much more sensible implementation that is still very useful but requires some thought.
#475
Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:21 PM
#476
Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:38 PM
#477
Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:53 PM
its not possible to kill a 35t mech fast in the game, you can run easy between the mechs they miss you too much
last game there was a lagy raven between 5 mechs and yes the raven didnt die
i vote for a new game mode called "no ecm"
so all can play what they want ^^ but im sure that ecm games not longer be full 8ecm vs 8ecm is not so funny for the ECM lovers, i think ^^
Edited by Even Dark, 06 January 2013 - 10:12 AM.
#478
Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:59 PM
Even Dark, on 05 January 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:
its not possible to kill a 35t mech fast in the game, you can run easy between the mechs they miss you too much
last game there was a lagy raven between 5 mechs and yes the raven didnt die
i vote for a new game mode called "no ecm"
so all can play what they want ^^ but im sure that ecm games not longer be full 8ecm vs 8ecm is not so funny for the ECM lovers, i think ^^
The Raven seems to be particularly laggy. My ping is usually under 50, and driving a Jenner I have no difficulty hitting other Jenners or Commandos with lasers, but the Raven is jerking all over the place most of the time.
#479
Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:24 PM
Edited by Protoculture, 06 January 2013 - 05:24 PM.
#480
Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:43 PM
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