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[Igor Draskovic]

Now that many people have tried the game, had bad experiences and moved on (check the internet chatter on MWO if you are not convinced) and with only MechWarrior fans left I think that now is perhaps the time to have an honest discussion of where this game is and where it is headed. Lacking a properly functioning netcode, basic lab interface and hud functionality, information about mechs and weapons systems--just to name a few issues--where is this game headed? I for one am shocked that there has been so little for the developers and the producer on the subject. One would think that they would at least updated us with a weekly or at least bi-weekly"state of the game" producter's letter. I really would like to hear what the developement team of this game is betting on other than the fierce and often blind loyalty of a small group of fans.

We are past the point of "it's beta" or "this is beeing addressed" or "coming next patch". It's time to have a serious discussions about where this game is head with a response from developers of how they plan to overcome the serious flaws of MWO.

Edited by Igor Draskovic, 12 December 2012 - 04:48 PM.

[Gaeb]

The state of the game is beta.


Edit: FWIW, if you are somehow new to games that update more than once a year, its amazing how balance and features can vastly change over the course of the year. I go back to complete heal and monks in everquest (both gamebreakingly overpowered, got nerfed hard at end of Velious) as a basic example, but pretty much every game with a decent life cycle *will make adjustments for balance and add new content*.

The state of the game is beta - they're still adding basic components. Good lord, take a 6 month break.

Edit 2: I had far too much fun with the next 10 pages.

Edited by Gaeb, 12 December 2012 - 08:27 PM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

It's kind of dopey and lazy.

[FallguySoldier]

Honest discussion? Sure. But instead of me retyping everything I've written so far on this subject, I'll just post links:


Mw:o - Multiplayer, Or Mmofps?


In Topic: Hawken Vs Mwo : Which Will Be The More Successful F2P Mech Combat Game?


In Topic: Ecm Feedback


In Topic: Mwo Is Now A Niche Game

[Kristov Kerensky]

Current state of the game...in early beta, basic engine functions being installed and tested, balance being adjusted based on factors NOT ingame currently but in development and planned for accordingly-adjusting balance as new factors are introduced(Artemis anyone?), Front End still in early stages with a lot of work still to be completed, very limited social interaction functions with more in the works, very limited matchmaking system currently with more advanced systems in the works.

It's been said to death and back but so many just do NOT get it...this really is a beta test. This is NOT the 'open beta' that so many recent releases have called their Demos, it is actual beta software, far from release state and buggy and unoptimized and often just totally mucked to hells and back. The fact that you could buy stuff for use changes nothing, it is beta software, you voluntarily bought items for this software, there is NO requirement to buy anything to use this software.

Fallguy...almost all of the questions you've posed in those links..answered already, and you've been in since closed beta without knowing this? A team oriented MMOFPS with a full time persistant world/Inner Sphere that our actions can be seen and felt on(within a certain limit..major plot points won't be altered by our actions). All of this is documented on these very forums...and you don't know it after how long now?

[Gaeb]

Children, patience.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Call it Beta if you want to make yourselves feel better, but this is the basic viable product they aimed to launch with for "OB".

Even if they meant REAL launch and not OB as the launch, the game is still going to be in "**** status".

They are selling this game. You can't give it the same "it's Beta" parade ground excuse anymore. Sure, it's still in development, but they feel they can profit from it's current state, so lay off the Beta hugging. We aren't in Kansas anymore.

[Gaeb]

PANZERBUNNY, on 12 December 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Call it Beta if you want to make yourselves feel better, but this is the basic viable product they aimed to launch with for "OB".

Even if they meant REAL launch and not OB as the launch, the game is still going to be in "**** status".

They are selling this game. You can't give it the same "it's Beta" parade ground excuse anymore. Sure, it's still in development, but they feel they can profit from it's current state, so lay off the Beta hugging. We aren't in Kansas anymore.

Oh disillusioned founder. I would drink of your tears, but frankly they're bitter and boring.

Whine if you wish. At the top of your lungs if you must. They will continue to enhance the game, and it will launch next year. And roughly six months after launch, it will be deemed playable. This is the way of releases.

[Windies]

PANZERBUNNY, on 12 December 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Call it Beta if you want to make yourselves feel better, but this is the basic viable product they aimed to launch with for "OB".

Even if they meant REAL launch and not OB as the launch, the game is still going to be in "**** status".

They are selling this game. You can't give it the same "it's Beta" parade ground excuse anymore. Sure, it's still in development, but they feel they can profit from it's current state, so lay off the Beta hugging. We aren't in Kansas anymore.

They can but then the average user who doesn't frequent the forums and doesn't look stuff up past what is in the actual game in regards to information, will simply just walk over to Hawken or Planetside 2 and find a much more enjoyable experience. All the while the fanboy's screaming " BUT GUY'S IT'S EARLY BETA!!!!", as if we haven't been in beta for like 7-8 months.

Gaeb, on 12 December 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Oh disillusioned founder. I would drink of your tears, but frankly they're bitter and boring.

Whine if you wish. At the top of your lungs if you must. They will continue to enhance the game, and it will launch next year. And roughly six months after launch, it will be deemed playable. This is the way of releases.

What's funny is that he used to be a huuuuuuuuuuuge fanboy/PGI Defender( no offense, we all have our opinions and stances). To see him have doubts about the game is saying A LOT.

[Psikez]

Ya'll so silly

[Parnage Winters]

Igor Draskovic, on 12 December 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Now that many people have tried the game, had bad experiences and moved on (check the internet chatter on MWO if you are not convinced) and with only MechWarrior fans left I think that now is perhaps the time to have an honest discussion of where this game is and where it is headed. Lacking a properly functioning netcode, basic lab interface and hud functionality, information about mechs and weapons systems--just to name a few issues--where is this game headed? I for one am shocked that there has been so little for the developers and the producer on the subject. One would think that they would at least updated us with a weekly or at least bi-weekly"state of the game" producter's letter. I really would like to hear what the developement team of this game is betting on other than the fierce and often blind loyalty of a small group of fans.

We are past the point of "it's beta" or "this is beeing addressed" or "coming next patch". It's time to have a serious discussions about where this game is head with a response from developers of how they plan to overcome the serious flaws of MWO.

You mean you want the dev's to respond in time to causes and talk about the state of the game?

http://mwomercs.com/...-command-chair/ You mean like this?

I mean it has everything you just asked for, discussions and progressions of issues, roadmaps to what they are doing and rough timetables of such.

Edited by Parnage, 12 December 2012 - 05:26 PM.

[Gaeb]

Windies, on 12 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

What's funny is that he used to be a huuuuuuuuuuuge fanboy/PGI Defender( no offense, we all have our opinions and stances). To see him have doubts about the game is saying A LOT.

No - it just says he's human, and his patience has limits. I totally understand.

[Igor Draskovic]

Kristov Kerensky, on 12 December 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

Current state of the game...in early beta, basic engine functions being installed and tested, balance being adjusted based on factors NOT ingame currently but in development and planned for accordingly-adjusting balance as new factors are introduced(Artemis anyone?), Front End still in early stages with a lot of work still to be completed, very limited social interaction functions with more in the works, very limited matchmaking system currently with more advanced systems in the works.

It's been said to death and back but so many just do NOT get it...this really is a beta test. This is NOT the 'open beta' that so many recent releases have called their Demos, it is actual beta software, far from release state and buggy and unoptimized and often just totally mucked to hells and back. The fact that you could buy stuff for use changes nothing, it is beta software, you voluntarily bought items for this software, there is NO requirement to buy anything to use this software.

Fallguy...almost all of the questions you've posed in those links..answered already, and you've been in since closed beta without knowing this? A team oriented MMOFPS with a full time persistant world/Inner Sphere that our actions can be seen and felt on(within a certain limit..major plot points won't be altered by our actions). All of this is documented on these very forums...and you don't know it after how long now?

It is this level of delusion which concerns me. The game is, in fact, in open beta yet in the mind of many people in this forum it is still "just beta" or "early beta". The fact that the game has been made avaialbe to the general public in this state really has no baring because...you know...it will be awesome a few months or years from now and all of these people will be sorry they doubted it and they will come back.

[Gaeb]

Parnage, on 12 December 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

You mean you want the dev's to respond in time to causes and talk about the state of the game?

http://mwomercs.com/...-command-chair/ You mean like this?

BLASPHEMY! Don't point out there's a whole dev forum updated every 2-3 days.

[Odins Fist]

You see after you start accepting "REAL" money for good and services, "even in "CLOSED BETA", some get the impression that a product has been brought to market..
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Then in an "OPEN BETA" where anyone can download said product, and then "BUY" with real money, goods and services, some people get the impression that "BETA" is not the correct term anymore. The product is being sold to the general public, it has been brought to market, finished or not.. The End.

[Vulix]

Just take a break and come back in a month or two when the game is more developed

[Igor Draskovic]

Parnage, on 12 December 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

You mean you want the dev's to respond in time to causes and talk about the state of the game?

http://mwomercs.com/...-command-chair/ You mean like this?

That is now at all what I mean. Please read my post again.

[Gaeb]

Igor Draskovic, on 12 December 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

It is this level of delusion which concerns me. The game is, in fact, in open beta yet in the mind of many people in this forum it is still "just beta" or "early beta". The fact that the game has been made avaialbe to the general public in this state really has no baring because...you know...it will be awesome a few months or years from now and all of these people will be sorry they doubted it and they will come back.

What would you, with your obviously unparalleled game producer experience and deep understanding of the game engine and programming challenges, suggest they do differently?

Edit: Updated.

Edited by Gaeb, 12 December 2012 - 05:27 PM.

[Odins Fist]

Gaeb, on 12 December 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

What would you, with your obviously unparalleled game producer experience, suggest they do differently?

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Hmmm...an "OPEN BETA" where anyone can download said product, and then "BUY" with real money, goods and services, some people get the impression that "BETA" is not the correct term anymore. The product is being sold to the general public, it has been brought to market, finished or not.. The End.

[Igor Draskovic]

Gaeb, on 12 December 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

BLASPHEMY! Don't point out there's a whole dev forum updated every 2-3 days.

You are not as clever as you might think. None of those posts seroulsy address any of the issues I have listed. It looks to me like developers are deliberatly avoding dealing with the major gameplay and latenancy issues by making threads about ECM and balance. Who gives a **** about any of that when the game is barely playable?