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[MoonUnitBeta]

http://mwomercs.com/...ofits-mc-to-cb/
This is what I tihnk they should do. there's 5500MC worth of camo right now (in paint and patterns), and there's for sure going to be more patterns and colours. I'd easily drop this MC to own the camo's to only get charged CB afterwards. I voted no because I don't see very little point in "owning camo" if it's only limited to a mech. I would much rather have a CB cost associated with it, and it be open to all mechs.

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 08 January 2013 - 07:59 AM.

[CodeNameValtus]

I thought this was a no-brainer business model decision that PGI screwed the pooch on royally.

Seriously, sometimes I wonder what's in the water up there in Canada!

[King Arthur IV]

CodeNameValtus, on 08 January 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

I thought this was a no-brainer business model decision that PGI screwed the pooch on royally.

Seriously, sometimes I wonder what's in the water up there in Canada!

high on maple syrup.

[RG Notch]

Tennex, on 19 December 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

i don't konw why they are so stubborn about this. its a win win for everybody and a pretty clear decision

Maybe they are so stubborn about this is because despite the bitching on the forums they are making good money selling paint? Don't you think if it was as one sided as these polls are they would do something? You can see it in this thread, people own up to buying or being ready to break down and buy. I think they'd be better off with permanent unlocks, but I think a lot of people talk about not spending a dime yet some one is spending or PGI would do something. No one is going to stick to a decision if it's really costing them money. Have they even said a single thing about the camo costs?

[Thornhill]

Bump

[Cid Slayer]

I play World of Tanks and since they're copying a few things from there I'll chip in.

Nothing in any game ever has made me more furious than when World of Tanks changed my 'permanent' camo in an update. I paid real money for a particular scheme and then they changed the pattern and colours.

Now in WoT you have to buy THREE camos for the different map types and like in MWO you have to overwrite what you've already paid for and throw away your money if you want a change.

MwO needs to make either colours or patterns reusable on purchase. My suggestion would be to not make it account unlocked, but make it mech unlocked.

Ie. You buy yellow and red for your MadCat. You then decide to change the scheme to Blue and Orange. You have the option to now use yellow, red, blue or orange for your MadCat but if you wanted to paint your Atlas Blue, you'd need to buy the paint again.

That way, yes you still need to pay to unlock items but you don't lose anything you've already bought. I think it's the best compromise.

Either that or make patterns account unlocks and pay for each colour. (or vice versa).

If MWO did the option of you don't lose what you unlock, I'd paint every one of my mechs (and pay). As it is, I've got a few painted, regretted spending money and given the rest the PCGamer paintscheme.

RG Notch, on 08 January 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Maybe they are so stubborn about this is because despite the bitching on the forums they are making good money selling paint? Don't you think if it was as one sided as these polls are they would do something? You can see it in this thread, people own up to buying or being ready to break down and buy. I think they'd be better off with permanent unlocks, but I think a lot of people talk about not spending a dime yet some one is spending or PGI would do something. No one is going to stick to a decision if it's really costing them money. Have they even said a single thing about the camo costs?

Point is though, a happy customer is a spending customer. They could be making MORE money if people felt like it was better value.

[KeeperVS]

I completely agree with King Arthur IV, Liquidx and the rest. I have not spent any MC yet, and not for lack of wanting to. I'd love to have it exactly as King Arthur IV is saying, but the businessman in me understands that there are balances to be had and the paints will have to cost a good amount of MC, but no where near the pricing that Planetside 2 does. That is nuts.

[borisof007]

There should have been a 3rd option, buying a paint color should unlock that color for ALL mechs permanently, I don't want to have to buy the same skin/colors for multiple mechs. One paint color/pattern/skin, I should be able to use it on any mech I want.

I also feel the same way about this as cockpit items. Stop making me have to find which of my 19 mechs has the effing bobblehead I want to take it out and put it in another mech. It's aggravating.

[Havyek]

IMO once you purchase a paint or scheme with MC it should be available for ALL 'Mechs, but should cost c-bills to apply it.

[King Arthur IV]

RG Notch, on 08 January 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Maybe they are so stubborn about this is because despite the bitching on the forums they are making good money selling paint? Don't you think if it was as one sided as these polls are they would do something? You can see it in this thread, people own up to buying or being ready to break down and buy. I think they'd be better off with permanent unlocks, but I think a lot of people talk about not spending a dime yet some one is spending or PGI would do something. No one is going to stick to a decision if it's really costing them money. Have they even said a single thing about the camo costs?

i dont know what side your on but sounds negative.
btw camo cost is another topic

im sure they have made a killing on the initial purchase on paint but if little people chooses to repaint because you cant keep it then its money they could of made. thats why its a win win if you can keep it.
just to dumb it down for you good sir.
paint i can NOT keep: i buy 3 paint = ~$4.5 and spend no more.
paint i can keep: because i can keep, i buy 9 paint = ~$13.5.

what ***** would keep repainting his mech over and over?? but trust me if you can keep it, there are plenty of idiots that would buy more then one paint (i have two cars, i only need one but.... i have two )

[RG Notch]

King Arthur IV, on 08 January 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

i dont know what side your on but sounds negative.
btw camo cost is another topic

im sure they have made a killing on the initial purchase on paint but if little people chooses to repaint because you cant keep it then its money they could of made. thats why its a win win if you can keep it.
just to dumb it down for you good sir.
paint i can NOT keep: i buy 3 paint = ~$4.5 and spend no more.
paint i can keep: because i can keep, i buy 9 paint = ~$13.5.

what ***** would keep repainting his mech over and over?? but trust me if you can keep it, there are plenty of idiots that would buy more then one paint (i have two cars, i only need one but.... i have two )

Go **** yourself. No need to dumb it down, if you can't see that all the whining that you have done hasn't made them even comment on the whole scheme there's little to bother discussing. I'd dumb it down for you but I doubt I can stoop to a level appropriate to your particular level or lack there of intelligence. I'll give it a shot for some of the potentially less dense.
These posts have appeared since the camo pricing was announced, and the same folks come out and say they will never spend a dime. If that was the actual case, PGI would do something. If you think they would sit on this scheme for months just out of spite, then continue to post polls and get the same people to come out and whine. Some one is spending on camo. Maybe that is just short term, but once people realize it's unlikely to change, a lot more people who swore not spend will, at least once. Since only a small % of F2P players ever actually spend anything, that should work fine for them.
I already said I think that permanent sales would be better, but that's because it would save me money, not necessarily make PGI any more money. I'd rather be honest than try to spin it like I care if PGI makes money on it like some folks here.
If it was such an obvious win win for everyone why wouldn't PGI do it? Because, despite all the business, marketing and economics expert here it may not actually make PGI more money. I think it would, but I don't profess to know this business as well as some posters.
So if it's a simple win win for everyone as all the "experts" contend can you explain why it was done this way or why it hasn't changed? Is PGI that dumb? Do they not like money? Do they have actual numbers that show they make more this way?
Again I know how easy it is ti find experts on all topics on the internets, so I'm sure they will be here with the answers.

[King Arthur IV]

borisof007, on 08 January 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

There should have been a 3rd option, buying a paint color should unlock that color for ALL mechs permanently, I don't want to have to buy the same skin/colors for multiple mechs. One paint color/pattern/skin, I should be able to use it on any mech I want.

I also feel the same way about this as cockpit items. Stop making me have to find which of my 19 mechs has the effing bobblehead I want to take it out and put it in another mech. It's aggravating.

it would of complicated the poll because the main issue is keeping the paint not keeping it on all or one. essentially it would of split 2 votes coming from the same area. if we can get the devs to allow us to keep the paint, then we can refine the idea more. baby steps

[King Arthur IV]

KeeperVS, on 08 January 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

I completely agree with King Arthur IV, Liquidx and the rest. I have not spent any MC yet, and not for lack of wanting to. I'd love to have it exactly as King Arthur IV is saying, but the businessman in me understands that there are balances to be had and the paints will have to cost a good amount of MC, but no where near the pricing that Planetside 2 does. That is nuts.

im glad you understand how logic in pricing and consumer behavior works, im having a hard time explaining things i learnt in high school lol.

it pleases and pains me to see more and more founders agree with me. you guys have dropped +$60 and you still willing to spend more but not with this scheme.

anyway ty for the vote of confidence.

[King Arthur IV]

RG Notch, on 08 January 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

Go **** yourself. No need to dumb it down, if you can't see that all the whining that you have done hasn't made them even comment on the whole scheme.

i stopped there. chill out man. post only been up a few weeks during holiday.

if you dont want to join the good fight because you think its futile, that is fine. not everyone has to be an actives.


"we may battle fiercely but it is only because we love this country deeply and we care so strongly about its future"

-obama 2012

[GRIMM11]

I am bumping this

[Flying Judgement]

If i could use every paint what i buy on every mech probably i would buy half or more the paints so YES i can have different camo or good for clan wars. and something what i like. Oh and defenetly all the Cool uniqe painting
At present i just buy one what i like.
if i cant bring it to my other mechs i just buy one and one spare paint

and i really want to buy the blue fairy and the xmas lights but i cant ... i just got money affter the holidays :'(
all thise things sould B available to by at any time too so they not looseing money

[PANZERBUNNY]

If someone can't see how they would make MORE money if colour and camo were permanent, they need to leave this topic.

Moving more units instead of less people at a premium pricing point, even if they decreased the cost means a wider range of customers.

A pricing range may appeal to say, 2 gamers. Reduce the price and change the mechanic and you may suddenly find yourself appealing to 10-20 gamers that would never have been interested.

[King Arthur IV]

Flying Judgement, on 08 January 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

If i could use every paint what i buy on every mech probably i would buy half or more the paints so YES i can have different camo or good for clan wars. and something what i like. Oh and defenetly all the Cool uniqe painting
At present i just buy one what i like.
if i cant bring it to my other mechs i just buy one and one spare paint

and i really want to buy the blue fairy and the xmas lights but i cant ... i just got money affter the holidays :'(
all thise things sould B available to by at any time too so they not looseing money

this is what im talking about!!! there are plenty of players just like this. i dont get why igp/some people dont see it. there is a huge huge amount of people willing buy **** loads of paint to play dress up all day and its not even a lie. this is evident in all f2p.

anyway ty for the vote! your voice how ever small will be heard!!

[King Arthur IV]

PANZERBUNNY, on 08 January 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

If someone can't see how they would make MORE money if colour and camo were permanent, they need to leave this topic.

Moving more units instead of less people at a premium pricing point, even if they decreased the cost means a wider range of customers.

A pricing range may appeal to say, 2 gamers. Reduce the price and change the mechanic and you may suddenly find yourself appealing to 10-20 gamers that would never have been interested.

funny thing is, allowing us to keep paints doesnt effect the one time buyers in anyway either but people still dont get it.

Edited by King Arthur IV, 08 January 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[modijn]

i would buy for dollars, colours (like formulas) and patterns (like design blueprints) to stay in the simulation.
or the system could depend on gallons and if i buy green and blue i could mix yellow ... i love simulations
If i got a "Designs licenses" pattern i could use it on 1 mech but always. Permanent.

Repainting would costs C-Bills, workerks to pay

my range for a pattern with colours (2-5$). and permanent.

Colours could also be nice a reward. Metalic painted parts etc.