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[trycksh0t]

Ethicus, on 22 May 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Is cosmetically different and extra c-bills not enough of a Different for people? thats pretty alright with me. Just sayin.
And since u get it first and at lvl 1, im pretty sure even if they only give you the prime varient hardpoints, you'll be quite contempt.

You use that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.

I believe you were going for content.

Edited by trycksh0t, 22 May 2012 - 05:56 PM.

[Cattra Kell]

Whoa whoa whoa whats going on in this thread? Elite mechs? Alright lets see if I understand this right. People are scared that these "elite" mechs (even though there is only 1 mech, the "Founder's BattleMech." This 'Mech includes a lifetime, per-match C-Bill booster".)

Alright, so we know that if you give $60 to the game you receive a bonus which includes:
Exclusive custom "Founder's BattleMech." This 'Mech includes a lifetime, per-match C-Bill booster.
$80 value of in-game currency* for in-game item purchases.
Two-month premium account to MechWarrior Online at launch: Earn XP & C-Bills faster.Founder's Tag - sets your status apart from the crowd & get noticed in-game and on the forums.
Early access to the game along with Founder's assets availability starts July 17th.

So this mech that you get will be special, but the only thing different from any normal variant of said unknown mech is that it has a permanent c-bill booster, something that does not change the actual statistics of the mech itself. I have no problems with this for the simple fact that all it is giving the player who owns it is more in-game currency which he can spend on ALL THE SAME THINGS A PERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE MECH CAN BUY. So all it is doing is allowing the person to unlock the SAME THINGS non owners of the mech will unlock but just in quicker time, almost like how they said you will be able to do that with the real-world money transactions. Its not a pay-to-win mech at all, rather just a quick unlock mech.

Also, the mech does not have the EXP booster, only the C-bill booster, so it will gain EXP at the same rate as every other mech.

This is also the ONLY mech that we know that someone who pays money will get that no one else can get, and yet it still holds no advantage over someone who uses it vs someone who does not.

Total non-issue and its not breaking the game.
/rant

Edited by Cattra Kell, 22 May 2012 - 05:59 PM.

[gogoRacetrack]

Oswin Aurelius, on 22 May 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Dear god, half the people in this thread can't even read correctly!

It's a FOUNDER'S BATTLEMECH, NOT ELITE.

You get it by purchasing the ELITE FOUNDER'S PACKAGE. You do not get a superior mech, you get a mech that looks different.

I don't know how you possibly went from Founder's Battlemech to a Battlemech with Elite-level experience already pre-loaded.

It went in that direction because people clicked the link on the front page and read the release.

So, the question is, what exacltly does " "Elite" level only" mean?

If it was supposed to mean Elite Package only, then you would expect them to use that term, not transpose another term like level.

[Rear Admiral]

fail thread.

[Zakatak]

Oswin Aurelius, on 22 May 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

And get you more tickets.

It isn't like the cops could catch you.

Viper ACR, sexiest car ever. EVER. Also the fastest around Nurburgring and only 100k. Win win win win.

[Oswin Aurelius]

Yes, but it's not ALL red.

[Gauge]

Okay, this is just a simple explanation for the people who are yelling that this thread is stupid because there is only a cosmetic difference.

Garth Erlam, on 22 May 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

These will not be vastly superior death machines - they will be on par with other variants; they are merely different not better.

They will be 'on par' with other varients. The phrasing leads me (and it sounds like others in the thread) to believe that there could be mechanical differences between the founder's mech and the variants that will be available for purchase in the game. Do we know that for sure? No, but we would like to know.

Edited by Gauge, 22 May 2012 - 06:12 PM.

[Banditman]

I think that's all anyone really wants here is clarification. Whatever it is, I think most folks will be fine with it, but, I personally want some clarity on exactly what that mech is before I drop an extra $30 on it.

[Solis Obscuri]

Oswin Aurelius, on 22 May 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Yes, but it's not ALL red.

It shifts to red after it passes you. While it's approaching, it appears blue.

Edited by Solis Obscuri, 22 May 2012 - 06:24 PM.

[ChalybsUmbra]

*me coming back to check on thread*

Me: "... uh oh."

[Belisarius1]

Gauge, on 22 May 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Okay, this is just a simple explanation for the people who are yelling that this thread is stupid because there is only a cosmetic difference.

They will be 'on par' with other varients. The phrasing leads me (and it sounds like others in the thread) to believe that there could be mechanical differences between the founder's mech and the variants that will be available for purchase in the game. Do we know that for sure? No, but we would like to know.

Thank you. Considering that garth's post was quoted like six times on every page, it should be pretty obvious that people are worried about what he said, not what the release said.

If the differences are purely cosmetic with a c-bill/xp bonus, that would be fine. Different hardpoints, which "other variants" seems to imply, are a whole other ballgame.

Edited by Belisarius†, 22 May 2012 - 06:40 PM.

[Talon Thorn]

Banditman, on 22 May 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Please refer to this post by the developers, and specifically the first graphic in that post which shows you the abilities of an Elite mech has versus a non Elite mech.

You realize of course that the post you linked to is from several months ago, and the so called "elite" mechs they are talking about are not the same as the "Founder" mechs that were announced today, right? So far the only thing we can confirm is different about the founder mechs is their appearance.

[Chase Matthews]

Anyone else think that this Elite custom 'mech would be better if it was one of our choosing?

[Alaric Wolf Kerensky]

Solis Obscuri, on 22 May 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

Bonus XP and C-Bill gains, we know that much at least...

Nothing was ever said about Exp increases on these 'Mechs, only increased C-BILL gain.

[Outlaw2]

Belisarius†, on 22 May 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Not even day one and we have non-cosmetic cash only content that makes a real difference in game. We trusted you guys not to do this. I don't even care if I'm destroying any chance I have of getting into beta by not swooning all over you.

It's completely irrelevant whether you guys think they're superior or not. You can't know what balance will be like this early. If there are loadouts which will fit on elite 'mechs and not on others, you're flirting with pay to win no matter what you say.

Come on. It's not that hard. Sell convenience, sell cosmetics. Don't bloody well sell exclusive in-game abilities, even if you say they're not very good. That means nothing.

I got to quote this since no one else has.

Pelase don't sell exclusive mechs with real in-game differences. If this founders mech is just a cosmetic variant with a c-bill booster, then that is fine. None of that gives in-game advantages.

Bel is correct in saying that what you think is "on-par" now could end up being a big advantage (if indeed it has exclusive in-game differences). I doubt there has been enough testing to confidently say its on-par. It wouldn't matter anyway since its the f2p trap to sell anything that has the potential to creep into pay to win territory.

Edited by =Outlaw=, 22 May 2012 - 09:21 PM.

[StaIker]

I'm actually not too bothered by exclusive Mechs for sale so long as they remain small in number. I think there is enough depth to combat in MechWarrior to make any slight advantage almost irrelevant in a 12v12 game.

[Evinthal]

=Outlaw=, on 22 May 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

I got to quote this since no one else has.

Pelase don't sell exclusive mechs with real in-game differences. If this founders mech is just a cosmetic variant with a c-bill booster, then that is fine. None of that gives in-game advantages.

Bel is correct in saying that what you think is "on-par" now could end up being a big advantage (if indeed it has exclusive in-game differences). I doubt there has been enough testing to confidently say its on-par. It wouldn't matter anyway since its the f2p trap to sell anything that has the potential to creep into pay to win territory.

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

Seriously people are taking this way to far out of context.

The only thing different about these 'mechs that we know of so far is that they look different and have a C-Bill per match bonus.

THAT IS IT.

"on-par" means exactly that. I seriously doubt they will have any other changes OTHER than the Skin, and C-Bill increase.

[Gauge]

Evinthal, on 23 May 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

"on-par" means exactly that. I seriously doubt they will have any other changes OTHER than the Skin, and C-Bill increase.

The reason this has caused concern is because on-par doesn't generally mean 'identical'. You are right that we do not know, but this is an important issue to a lot of people, so it makes sense that they'd love to get some answers about it. Adding more 'rabble' to the thread isn't going to answer anyone's concerns or bring about level-headed thinking.

[Beazle]

You guys are all missing the crucial point to this topic.

Weather you call them elite or founder mechs, regardless of EXP or C-Bill bonuses, or even super abilities and extra weapons, the only thing that really matters is.........


Do they come with Hula Girls??????

[Outlaw2]

StaIker, on 23 May 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

I'm actually not too bothered by exclusive Mechs for sale so long as they remain small in number. I think there is enough depth to combat in MechWarrior to make any slight advantage almost irrelevant in a 12v12 game.

Thats a slippery slope I don't want to get near to.
Of course if this is the ONLY exclusive pay to have mech they'll ever sell, and its difference is marginal, then yea...its not a big deal.However if this becomes standard operation, and those difference start becoming a liability if you don't have them, then its a problem. I don't want to further encourage this type of sale (if it is indeed what I hope its not).

Evinthal, on 23 May 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

Seriously people are taking this way to far out of context.

The only thing different about these 'mechs that we know of so far is that they look different and have a C-Bill per match bonus.

"on-par" means exactly that. I seriously doubt they will have any other changes OTHER than the Skin, and C-Bill increase.

If thats the case, then they should really come out and clear this up. They should plainly say " hey folks, its just different skin plus a c-bill booster. "On-par" is rather vague and can be interpreted either way. And if you want context, he said it will be on-par with OTHER variants...indicating founder mechs are their own variant.

Edited by =Outlaw=, 23 May 2012 - 07:40 AM.