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[Oderint dum Metuant]

TopHatt, on 30 December 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

8v8 is where I saw a mech headshot 3 people and then make a fourth headshot one shot kill on a mech while standing below it shooting up... obvious cheat

You ran into Keith didnt you....it's ok to admit it.

[TANTE EMMA]

BWUHAHAHAHAHA...

Edited by Noakei Siegel, 30 December 2012 - 03:10 PM.

[Besh]

Stopped reading after page 14...

One thing I need to say is:

Forgive me my noobishness, but I REALLY fail to see how using the most unbalanced, gameflawabusing builds/mechs/teammakeups does have ANYTHING to do with being competitive, or skillfull, godly, or generally better than anyone else ?

I mean, people in this thread really call bringing 5 DD-Cs and 3 3Ls into an 8 men "competitive play"...wake up call! ITS NOT!

There are most likely more than enough Teams out there who COULD do the same for playing 8mens. They simply dont WANT TO. Cos its effing boring. Many People simply LIKE to play other Mechs.

The people in here who really think bringing in 3 3Ls to run behind enemy lines and wrap up/entangle the entire enemy team, hurting everyone bad, maybe even killing 1 or 2, for the rest to get simply mopped up by 5 DDC-s rolling in means being "competitive", "skillfull" or "good" seriously need to get a reality check. NOW !

Its just ezMode, you know it, you hide your ineptness of being successfull in any other combination behind words/phrases like "min/max build", "builds/teams that work" etc. While what it REALLY needed to show you how good you are is a preorganized Match against ANY of the groups you accuse of being "too bad", "rather pugstomping" etc...where the teams agree upfront about #of ECMs allowed, and weightclass restrictions. And I betcha quite a few of you guys would get your bhinds handed back to yourselves over and over if you had to employ real skills and tactics to be able to win, using a diverse Team of Mechs each built for a specific role .

If you are not one of the guys thinking 5/6 DD-Cs and 2/3 3ls every 8 men and winning = OMGODZORS WE PWN !, dont even react. Cos in that case, I simply didnt address you with this.


The others: get a grip.

Edited by Besh, 30 December 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[TopHatt]

""knowing how to aim on stupid opponents, and knowing how to hack are actually two very different skills. So unless you have some sort of documented proof, it didn't happen. Are there aimbots? Sure. But you also have guys piloting good high "core" damage builds that get on a tear. I've head shot 3 mechs in a match before, ended the game with 4 kills and under 200 damage...... and I am only "OK" as a pilot.

On the other hand, I am pretty much computer illiterate.... it is simply easier for me to get GOOD at shooting than figuring out how to hack.

I I love hearing people constantly scream at me "Aimbot" or that I am in a premade , when I am Pugging (which is most of the time these day, unless I am running in the 8v8 que)""

I've played over 2000 matches in MWO and I've seen some good players but there is no way you can claim that a one shot headshot kill on a 100% fresh mech within a fraction of a second of the time they can see each other at an impossible angle was just good shooting...
I do plan on getting FRAPS set up so I can document

[Oderint dum Metuant]

TopHatt, on 30 December 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

I've played over 2000 matches in MWO and I've seen some good players but there is no way you can claim that a one shot headshot kill on a 100% fresh mech within a fraction of a second of the time they can see each other at an impossible angle was just good shooting...
I do plan on getting FRAPS set up so I can document

This can be down to lady luck smiling on you, have had it plenty of times.

[Glory in the Highest]

Also have to consider that even though you just noticed that 'Mech, doesn't mean he saw you at the same time. ;3

[Mack1]

Sir Trent Howell, on 30 December 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

The Blazing Aces scrimmaged against the Ghost Bears and cReddit last night. Very fun games and well played by all teams involved. We're happy to play more teams in organized fights.

Wish all Clans were like you guys, most of them just pug stomp all day.

[Barnaby Jones]

Mack1, on 30 December 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Wish all Clans were like you guys, most of them just pug stomp all day.

Prove it.

Edited by Barnaby Jones, 30 December 2012 - 05:11 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

TopHatt, on 30 December 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

""knowing how to aim on stupid opponents, and knowing how to hack are actually two very different skills. So unless you have some sort of documented proof, it didn't happen. Are there aimbots? Sure. But you also have guys piloting good high "core" damage builds that get on a tear. I've head shot 3 mechs in a match before, ended the game with 4 kills and under 200 damage...... and I am only "OK" as a pilot.

On the other hand, I am pretty much computer illiterate.... it is simply easier for me to get GOOD at shooting than figuring out how to hack.

I I love hearing people constantly scream at me "Aimbot" or that I am in a premade , when I am Pugging (which is most of the time these day, unless I am running in the 8v8 que)""

I've played over 2000 matches in MWO and I've seen some good players but there is no way you can claim that a one shot headshot kill on a 100% fresh mech within a fraction of a second of the time they can see each other at an impossible angle was just good shooting...
I do plan on getting FRAPS set up so I can document

actually, having done just that, I think I can.

Frozen City, started on upper side, crested the e5 depression at the nose of the dropship, and dropped a Catapult, one volley from my Wang, AC/20 and 2 Medium Pulse. Got the holy hell hammered out of me before I could reverse to cover by some SpamCats. As I rounded corner at full speed, had an enemy Awesome round the tail of the dropship, his PPCs mostly missed, my snap shot took his face off. Being on comms in an 8 man, I know he had not been engaged yet. Could either have started the game damaged? I suppose. No way to confirm. Next mech I did have time to scan, damaged leg and missing arm, while trying to flee our D-DC he came face first into my ambush. Bang. No face, dead CN9-AL. Final kill that match was to finish off an Atlas. No head-shot this time, as they are too hard to really guarantee, and anytime I see the big "K" moniker, I automatically go right upper torso, as popping their XL is usually a lot quicker than trying to head-shot them..

Almost ANY one of Steele's first Legion of Thunder's Cent Pilots or GaussaPult drivers have had dozens of similar experiences.

Aim high, and center, and you get more head-shots than people want to believe. (Works well with PPC K2s and Triple PPC AWS's also)

*edited for grammar.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 30 December 2012 - 05:45 PM.

[Click]

Barnaby Jones, on 30 December 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Prove it.

It's funny because the appearance of threads such as this one is proof by itself

[Phades]

Krondor, on 28 December 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

I don't know how people claim ECM adds tactical options. It redues them significantly by shoehorning the game into 2 main and 2 secondary chassis and reducing or eliminating counters that forced team diversity.

In 4 man these counters still exist, ECM has just reduced them so boating is a lot less common, which IMO makes for a much better and more interesting game.

It wouldn't have been an issue if they didn't restrict which chassis could fit ecm among other factors. If the concern was in regard to sniper build mechs fitting ecm, well then they failed horribly in controlling that aspect.

[shintakie]

Barnaby Jones, on 30 December 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

It isnt a fact, and (based on the ONLY FACTUAL INFO we have) its not as common as puggnation would have you believe.

As you should be aware, we still have yet to actually get factual info. We got anecdotal evidence from Garth that in one night at an unspecified time that he dropped a dozen or so times and only have a couple premades durin that time.

His evidence is no more powerful than everyone elses evidence. Why? Because its just a simple experience 1 guy had durin 1 day of play.

I'm still waitin on the, not actually promised, numbers that Garth said he'd post on pugs vs premades. Actual factual numbers taken from the servers like his team kill numbers.

[Roland]

Actually, I seem to recall pgi releasing server stats suggesting that it was far less common than many seem to believe.

[Henry Pride]

The major problem is, that u have the different time zones between europe and the usa. Most europe 8guy teams are on, when the americans sleep, or go to work, and in the other direction too. Had a few 8guys Games at 4am few days ago, but 4am in the morning isnt a usual stay up time for most of us.

But the number of 8man groups is few these days due to just the fear of the 8 ECM Group. I had such a bunch of morons once in the last couple days. Most of the Teams we encountered were well mixed with lights, meds, heavies and assaults, and most of the time max 4 ECM Mechs.

[Barnaby Jones]

Click, on 30 December 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

It's funny because the appearance of threads such as this one is proof by itself

Correlation does not equal causation. Or in other words, a vocal minorities claims does not equal a majority problem.

shintakie, on 30 December 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

As you should be aware, we still have yet to actually get factual info. We got anecdotal evidence from Garth that in one night at an unspecified time that he dropped a dozen or so times and only have a couple premades durin that time.

His evidence is no more powerful than everyone elses evidence. Why? Because its just a simple experience 1 guy had durin 1 day of play.

I'm still waitin on the, not actually promised, numbers that Garth said he'd post on pugs vs premades. Actual factual numbers taken from the servers like his team kill numbers.

Garth having access to the actual info, makes his statement the closest thing we have to facts. The age of the quote and his methods in determining how to arrive at that stat, not withstanding.

[Suicidal Idiot]

One solution would be to simply have different skill level games. Keep the same basic system and add a checkbox to select for "Noob" "Warrior" and "Death Incarnate". Matches are only composed of the same checked skill level.

Another solution: allow ANY size group to drop into the 8v8. If you feel hot enough to take on an 8 player group with only 3 of your own buddies, go right ahead! Then you wont have all the difficulties of the coordination required to get 8 people playing together.

Also, there could be a "Noob Solo" check, where only solo's, not groups, can join.

[shintakie]

Barnaby Jones, on 30 December 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Correlation does not equal causation. Or in other words, a vocal minorities claims does not equal a majority problem.

Garth having access to the actual info, makes his statement the closest thing we have to facts. The age of the quote and his methods in determining how to arrive at that stat, not withstanding.

And yet it still is little more than anecdotal evidence. He saw only a couple premades in one night of a dozen or so drops. You can't infer anythin from that statement except exactly what was said. He only saw a couple premades that night. Anythin you try to gleam from that statement that isn't he only saw a couple premades that night is a complete concoction of your own mind with no basis on reality.

Are there as many premades as posts on the forums have you believe? Maybe. Was Garth's experience actually how it normally is? Possibly. Do we have any actual answers at this point and time? No.

Until they bother to release actual statistics I'll continue to side with the worst case scenario as its better to be prepared and have nothin happen than to stick your fingers in your ears goin la-la-la-la-la while your house burns down.

[Roland]

PGI actually has server stats, which show how often premades are being paired against pure pugs.

It's not just "some experience Garth had once."

And, if I recall, they presented those stats here a while back, and they showed that the issue was not nearly the problem that some folks here claim it to be.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Stats Roland? If you don't mind can you please hunt up where you saw that.

[Mongoose Trueborn]

Every time we drop in 8 mans we either roll the other team or they just hide on their spawn waiting for us to push into them. If you have a good team on stop by the DV8 channel on NA server and invite us to scrim. We are always looking for a good fight.