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[Bad Brad Keselowski]

Tolkien, on 13 January 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

It makes me feel dirty to play it too, but hey there's a certain perverse magic to getting ~1000 damage and 5 kills in a 35 ton light mech. The Craven 3L lives longer and does more damage than my founders Jenner or Hunchback ever could.

I see, so that's what a skilled light pilot can squeeze out of this mech under normal circumstances. Just to compare, my BEST result was like 650 damage with 3 kills. I still think it's not bad considering I'm a very crappy light pilot.

But, well...wenn I encounter a skilled light pilot in a 3L, i usually quit. I know, it's not the right way to deal with the situation, but at least it prevents me from not playing the game anymore.

[Pando]

Sir Roland MXIII, on 11 January 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Man one light will always have issues in a one on one with an Atlas. Not to say it can't win against you but geez, you're basically braggin' that you're tank has yet to be killed by one enemy with a sticky bomb. Which is to say, I don't think you're point is accurate because I know it CAN be done, and also a little out of touch. Really it comes down to a LOT of variables and mechs are only two of those. Plug some more of those in and I'll be happy to take you're optimism a little more seriously - which is to say, at all seriously.

37 Print Screened games using the above build. Two deaths. I'm sorry for any misconceptions my simple one-liner response to a thread named "best-mech" had caused. Let me clear this up for you.

I am an avid egotistical ***-hat. I love smashing people in-game.

Edited by Pando, 14 January 2013 - 11:27 AM.

[Tolkien]

Bad Brad Keselowski, on 14 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

I see, so that's what a skilled light pilot can squeeze out of this mech under normal circumstances. Just to compare, my BEST result was like 650 damage with 3 kills. I still think it's not bad considering I'm a very crappy light pilot.

But, well...wenn I encounter a skilled light pilot in a 3L, i usually quit. I know, it's not the right way to deal with the situation, but at least it prevents me from not playing the game anymore.

I'm glad it has you playing and having fun, even if it is that shameful kind of joy where you need a scalding shower after you play just to make the dirt come off.... anyway, >1000 damage is nowhere near my average game it's just the high water mark and your 650 is still very respectable.

Pando, on 14 January 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

37 Print Screened games using the above build. Two deaths. I'm sorry for any misconceptions my simple one-liner response to a thread named "best-mech" had caused. Let me clear this up for you.

I am an avid egotistical ***-hat. I love smashing people in-game.

You should put it up as a new player guide too. Call it something like "Pando's AS7-D-DC: Better than Tolkien's craven".

I still think you should put a name on it like Craven - something that really summarizes what it does. Since it's a grown up mech that hangs around and terrorizes the little mechs I advocate for the AS7-D-Diddler.... Horrifying and effective.

[Pando]

Tolkien, on 14 January 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

I'm glad it has you playing and having fun, even if it is that shameful kind of joy where you need a scalding shower after you play just to make the dirt come off.... anyway, >1000 damage is nowhere near my average game it's just the high water mark and your 650 is still very respectable.




You should put it up as a new player guide too. Call it something like "Pando's AS7-D-DC: Better than Tolkien's craven".

I still think you should put a name on it like Craven - something that really summarizes what it does. Since it's a grown up mech that hangs around and terrorizes the little mechs I advocate for the AS7-D-Diddler.... Horrifying and effective.

Maybe I'll call it "Pambi the Bambi's AS7-D-DC craven hunter" after the pug who called me Pambi just before I slaughtered his team. I took great joy in destroying an un-named person.

[Kmieciu]

I witnessed a fight: K2 with 2xAC20, a Cataphract (2xAC5 2xUAC5) and a laser Hunch fought a Atlas AS7-D-DC and a RVN-3L in a cave on Forest Colony. The Atlas got cored in 15 seconds, the Raven took down the Cataphract and ran away...

Craven is the best mech, hands down...

[Tolkien]

I believe it's time to hunt some spiders. Birds love spiders...

Edited by Tolkien, 16 January 2013 - 04:50 AM.

[o0cipher0o]

Finally i've tried this mech, with this loadout. Well, with the stock engine, and only 16 SHS, no tweaks unlocked i've done around 600 dmg, 3 kills 2 assists in caustic, 1st place in the scoreboard... some tweaks are needed, this mech is really too much powerfull!

[Derpxes]

This build is ridiculously good. I'm not a very good pilot by any stretch. My previous win rate to building this was well below 50%, I'm currently sitting at a 70% win rate. My K:D was below 0.75 now it's at 1.26. Simply put this mech is OP and I recommend anybody who likes winning to use it exclusively.

[Dikaiosyne26]

I still have a question though:

How is a Raven like a writing desk?

[Eltyr]

Seriously, the 3L hate is amusing. If it was that powerful, I would be piloting my 3L instead of my 'phracts. No one ever understood the Raven was good before ECM, so they think the change is a lot bigger than it was. It is a good mech, but it is easy to kill, and doesn't carry that formidable a loadout compared to a lot of other mechs. A lot of people just don't aim well. (The lagshield, while it exists, is vastly overstated). If you come loaded to shoot big things, and run into little ones, why are you surprised you miss? Additionally, relying on streaks can vastly decrease your dps and burst as a Raven. Lrn2Aim. (The best 3L Ravens don't run around as fast as you think they do either.)

[Airu]

Eltyr, on 19 January 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

Seriously, the 3L hate is amusing. If it was that powerful, I would be piloting my 3L instead of my 'phracts. No one ever understood the Raven was good before ECM, so they think the change is a lot bigger than it was. It is a good mech, but it is easy to kill, and doesn't carry that formidable a loadout compared to a lot of other mechs. A lot of people just don't aim well. (The lagshield, while it exists, is vastly overstated). If you come loaded to shoot big things, and run into little ones, why are you surprised you miss? Additionally, relying on streaks can vastly decrease your dps and burst as a Raven. Lrn2Aim. (The best 3L Ravens don't run around as fast as you think they do either.)

If you are so sure, pick jenner F and record a video of you owning a 3L in 1v1

[Eltyr]

Airu, on 19 January 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

If you are so sure, pick jenner F and record a video of you owning a 3L in 1v1

I don't do Jenners. I like my 'phracts, and liked my Ravens. The raven was already an accomplished Jenner killer before ECM.

[Airu]

You just proved my point, you did not attempt to kill a 3l with any other non streak light, otherwise you would think differently.

[Tolkien]

Dikaiosyne26, on 19 January 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

I still have a question though:

How is a Raven like a writing desk?

Both have wings.

Also, in both cases the developers of the days tacked an OP item onto an already powerful frame (wings onto a regular desk and ECM onto a fast, hard to hit and well armed mech chassis). This is why to this day you can see a writing desk in every study and a Craven 3L in every hangar.

Edited by Tolkien, 22 January 2013 - 09:31 AM.

[Dikaiosyne26]

Tolkien, on 21 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

Both have wings.

Also, in both cases the developers of the days tacked an OP item onto an already powerful frame (wings onto a regular desk and ECM onto a fast, hard to hit and well armed mech chassis).  This is why to this day you can see a writing desk in every study and a Craven 3L in every hangar.

Let's try this Tolkien wrote on both

[Tolkien]

Dikaiosyne26, on 22 January 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

Let's try this Tolkien wrote on both

I've also piloted both after having too much to drink - the Craven corners much better than the writing desk, and the latter is a disaster going down inclines.

Man, I miss College.

[Wrenchfarm]

Took my Craven out for a spin early this morning. 800+ damage games ahoy.

Feels dirty, but also kind of good to be on the other side of the murder of crows for a change.

[Broceratops]

mostly its good because it makes you largely immune to damage from noobs and baddies who don't know how to lag shoot. if you're in a slower mech or a non-ecm light, you will still take damage from these guys. but in a 3L if you can kill the 2 guys who are competent, then the rest of the team is just fish in a barrel.

they're not a big problem in 8s, trust me. you can't even make 1 pass through an enemy team without being blown up. so once they fix the net code it'll be pretty balanced.

[Arkadash]

Hey guys, great discussion.

Is there any reason why no one is talking about the Cicada CDA-3M? With ECM being as OP as it is, I was thinking about the following build: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...fba47d1288831d However, the (un)popular support for the Craven has me wondering where my CB will be best spent.

I haven't yet tried any of the light mechs, so my question my have an obvious answer. Thanks in advance.

[Tolkien]

Arkadash, on 23 January 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Hey guys, great discussion.

Is there any reason why no one is talking about the Cicada CDA-3M? With ECM being as OP as it is, I was thinking about the following build: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...fba47d1288831d However, the (un)popular support for the Craven has me wondering where my CB will be best spent.

I haven't yet tried any of the light mechs, so my question my have an obvious answer. Thanks in advance.

I've run the Cicada-3M and found it underwhelming compared to the Craven. It's speed is roughly equal, it's toughness is roughly equal, its hitbox is much bigger, while its armament is a tradeoff. It has more punch against slow mediums, heavies and assaults, but is much less effective against lights due to the lack of streaks. It also goes down faster due to the bigger boxier target it presents.

So in short - more firepower against some mechs, but less survivable in my experience.

Edited by Tolkien, 23 January 2013 - 02:17 PM.