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[Yokaiko]

Zaptruder, on 11 January 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

Yeah, the 3L is smashing it.

It nearly has more votes than the rest combined... and this is in a poll where you can choose multiple options or all of them!

Even with a hit box fix, netcode fix, knock down and all that other good stuff... it's still going to be a bizarrely powerful mech. It'll still be beyond excellent relative to all other light mechs and rival the striking capabilities of many larger mechs.

The ability to fade in and out at will, with sufficient armor to take a good amount of glancing blows, run rings around opponents... all while carrying the most OP weapon combo (ECM+streaks) makes it inherently much stronger than nearly everything else on the battle field.

You guys think you'll bowl over 3Ls running at 150k when collision is back in? As someone that has mastered a 3L, avoiding running into mechs isn't nearly as difficult as some of you are hoping it will be. Give them a wide berth, and be aware of surroundings. Tah-dah.

Have you played with knock downs yet?

[New Day]

any light mech

[Aethon]

Serapth, on 11 January 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

I would say 3l, but thats not accurate.

ECM and Streaks are OP. ECM with Streaks is massively OP. Netcode and broken hitboxes are OP.

It's just Raven 3l has all of these, plus the ability to mount a 295XL engine.


Let's take the speed limit off Hunchbacks and watch a natural Raven killer emerge!


It's the bad hitboxes that infuriate me the most. It seems to vary between matches, sometimes I can strafe them with lasers. Other matches Im simply doomed. I've literally put 5 or 6 minutes of sustained LL fire into a Raven and watched it walk away. It makes you start thinking HACKS.

3 people called the HBK-4SP OPed???

I completely agree.

Serapth, on 11 January 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Let's take the speed limit off Hunchbacks and watch a natural Raven killer emerge!

Especially with this. The Fastback was my favourite thing to use in closed beta. That said, you can do this with the CN9-D these days rather nicely.

[ConnorSinclair]

>all votes on ECM

>hardly any on the Cat



You people are so ******* ******** it's astounding.

I could have a team entirely of DDC with ecm and it would get destroyed by an Cats with AC20's.

[Vassago Rain]

My vote goes to SRMcats.

[ConnorSinclair]

Vassago Rain, on 12 January 2013 - 03:07 AM, said:

My vote goes to SRMcats.

Vass kong needs to do a Cheese Cat only night.

Just AC20's and SRM6's and nothing else.

I'd even consider buying the abomination just for the night

[Vassago Rain]

ConnorSinclair, on 12 January 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Vass kong needs to do a Cheese Cat only night.

Just AC20's and SRM6's and nothing else.

I'd even consider buying the abomination just for the night

But how will we defeat the ultimately powerful ravens, Connor?

[ConnorSinclair]

Vassago Rain, on 12 January 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

But how will we defeat the ultimately powerful ravens, Connor?

Any one with brains knows that with that much AC20 and SRMs flying and no heavier mechs it won't matter.

It would be a turkey shoot.

[VonRunnegen]

FrostPaw, on 11 January 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

Probably because you can still shoot the crap out of a Jenner with streaks and lrms.

Jenners haven't gotten better, they have just been overtaken by something more offensive. For example the ECM Cicada and ECM Commando are pretty much identical to the ECM Raven in threat but because more people use the Raven it get's more of the hate.

The ECM Cicada doesn't mount streaks and is much easier to hit. So other lights have no real trouble with it as without streaks its at least a fairly even fight and heavier mechs have a reasonable chance of hitting. Its the combo of ECM and streaks that is the killer... The commando is like the raven but isn't as good so less moaning - its all the same problems on it but less noticable so less complaining.

Fixed netcode would help a LOT.... but the combo of Guardian ECM blocking enemy streaks and allowing own is still very strong (and against the BT rules for those that care). If it just provided the targetting bubble thingie that'd be a lot better.

[Yokaiko]

ConnorSinclair, on 12 January 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

>all votes on ECM

>hardly any on the Cat



You people are so ******* ******** it's astounding.

I could have a team entirely of DDC with ecm and it would get destroyed by an Cats with AC20's.

Yeah its called a natural predator or hard counter, likewise, a team of ranged phracts would slaughter a herd of AC20pults, or mediums for that matter.


Its jsut the ECM lights that pose an issue. A D-DC is power yes, and more powerful than the rest of the Atlases simply by virtue of ECM, its also a bit slow target.

[Vassago Rain]

ConnorSinclair, on 12 January 2013 - 03:24 AM, said:

Any one with brains knows that with that much AC20 and SRMs flying and no heavier mechs it won't matter.

It would be a turkey shoot.

I predict plenty of OP accusations.

[Yokaiko]

VonRunnegen, on 12 January 2013 - 03:38 AM, said:

The ECM Cicada doesn't mount streaks and is much easier to hit. So other lights have no real trouble with it as without streaks its at least a fairly even fight and heavier mechs have a reasonable chance of hitting. Its the combo of ECM and streaks that is the killer... The commando is like the raven but isn't as good so less moaning - its all the same problems on it but less noticable so less complaining.

The raven's busted hitboxes don't help there either.

[ConnorSinclair]

Yokaiko, on 12 January 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

HERPY DERPY DERP natural predator DERP DERP HERP hard counter

http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0

Meta and cheese > Common tactics

Vassago Rain, on 12 January 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

I predict plenty of OP accusations.

Too late

But yeah, I'd love to do this.

I'm free this weekend, do we have any one willing to do it? If we can't hit 8mans, let's just roll that **** in 4s since that many cats alone would be back breaking for carry groups.

Edited by ConnorSinclair, 12 January 2013 - 03:44 AM.

[Chief 117]

Raven by far. I actually bought him yesterday and OMG ! Super Easy mod right there, I take almost NO damage, I do about 600 damage per match and I got killed only 1 so far. 3 ml + 2 ssrm + ecm + lag shield + bad hitboxes (not sure on this one) = tourist mod

[Yokaiko]

ConnorSinclair, on 12 January 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

Meta and cheese > Common tactics

AC20pults aren't scary if you aren't in an assault. Since I don't drive assaults that often, I hardly consider an whackapult very dangerous. In most of my mechs I just pull range and blow them up.

Edited by Yokaiko, 12 January 2013 - 03:52 AM.

[ConnorSinclair]

Yokaiko, on 12 January 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

AC20pults aren't scary if you aren't in an assault. Since I don't drive assaults that often, I hardly consider an whackapult very dangerous. In most of my mechs I just pull range and blow them up.

I'll take you'd get your golden *** handed to you for 120 dollars.

[Vassago Rain]

Yokaiko, on 12 January 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

AC20pults aren't scary if you aren't in an assault. Since I don't drive assaults that often, I hardly consider an whackapult very dangerous. In most of my mechs I just pull range and blow them up.

No, you'd die very quickly, golden lord.

[M4rtyr]

I'm gonna say no mech is OP... as has been said, lagshield si alot of what the lights are living on. Beyond that the raven isn't a particularly scary opponent.

The area where there is more balance issues are the weapons because they've got them all messed up. Lasers generate way too much heat thanks to trying to work off the TT stats but firing 3x faster. Missiles get double damage? They're already damn effective why do they get double damage now?

So no, mechs are fine, its just a matter of finding a chasis that can pack in the best weapons loadout.

[FrostPaw]

VonRunnegen, on 12 January 2013 - 03:38 AM, said:

The ECM Cicada doesn't mount streaks and is much easier to hit. So other lights have no real trouble with it as without streaks its at least a fairly even fight and heavier mechs have a reasonable chance of hitting. Its the combo of ECM and streaks that is the killer... The commando is like the raven but isn't as good so less moaning - its all the same problems on it but less noticable so less complaining.

Fixed netcode would help a LOT.... but the combo of Guardian ECM blocking enemy streaks and allowing own is still very strong (and against the BT rules for those that care). If it just provided the targetting bubble thingie that'd be a lot better.

Sure the Cicada is a bigger target but it also has more armour and can run faster with the right engine, I'd say overall that makes the cicada an equally difficult target to kill, but I'll give you that it's less of a threat to other light mechs without SSRM to auto hit with.

You mention SSRM but you don't talk about LRM, something that sure as hell kept light mechs from mixing it up where lrm support existed, but since there is little or no lrm deterrent anymore because by the time you're in range to counter ecm you're out of range to use lrms there is a huge advantage to scouts using ECM simply to avoid that deterrent now.

You can lag warp all you want in a Jenner, someone using lrms will take you down regardless, in an ECM mech that option requires counter ECM and lrm support on two different mechs at the same time. That fact alone makes it worth taking ECM since it negates an entire weapon system at any range until your opponent lucks out with a second ally using counter ECM just for you.

[Broceratops]

generally speaking if there are this many candidates for "OP" it means the game is pretty balanced