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[hammerreborn]

Holy crap that K/D ratio is abysmal. I did better than that running a trial centurion in pure pug matches.

Actually, I did better than that even in the worst trial mech of all, the Raven 2x

Edited by hammerreborn, 15 January 2013 - 06:45 AM.

[Armorpiercer M82]

SI The Joker, on 15 January 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

The ONLY advantage that these players have is voice communications. That's it!

saying ONLY, means you think this is no advantage right ?
in teamplay like mwo is, its huge difference and mostly win for premades.

i know you are just milking the fact, its unbalancing the game.

pug vs pug only
premades vs premades only (ONLY voice communaction for each, ye ?)

this is what i want. ONLY this.

[Kill Dozer]

A lobby system for teams and a ELO "quick launch" system for pure PUG play would address these sort of complaints.

[Joseph Mallan]

SlXSlXSlX, on 15 January 2013 - 06:43 AM, said:

So, its not the winning thing, its the principle of the matter. Its seeing people on ts throwing games for one another. Its about new players, and whether they stay. But sure, attack the op poster, not his argument. Pretty sad, but definately typical of these forums.

Wait... If you are PUGging how would you see a TS group throw a match? Did they say they were doing so in Chat? As a new player (never played any MMO before) I came in expecting to be handed to. Any one expecting otherwise is either a fool or very good at gaming. Did you see the video of the Game reviewer getting rollstomped? Funny thing, he said being part of a team was way to improve your chances of winning even as he was getting rolled. He didn't whine, he didn't insult it. He said it was a tool that would help you win. He was playing as part of an 8 man team but he wasn't using TS. So he got beat. like a deaf PUG would. I don't remember him complaining that he lost either.

[Serapth]

Kill Dozer, on 15 January 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

A lobby system for teams and a ELO "quick launch" system for pure PUG play would address these sort of complaints.

True... now how long do you think it will take PGI to add them, and will there be any pugs left by the time they are complete? Well actually, in addition to those features, they also need shared targeting and communication macros, that would mostly even up the field.

They are advertising the game heavily now, I see banners all over the web. This means they will be pulling in new blood other then founders, and there threshold for unbalance is shrinking. They should certainly triage the problem. Hack the existing MM to put a premade on each team, simple easy elegant fix that doesnt take 6 months.

Besides, given the fact they think ECM is balanced and working fine... how much faith do you have in them getting ELO right?

[SI The Joker]

Armorpiercer M82, on 15 January 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

saying ONLY, means you think this is no advantage right ?
in teamplay like mwo is, its huge difference and mostly win for premades.

i know you are just milking the fact, its unbalancing the game.

pug vs pug only
premades vs premades only (ONLY voice communaction for each, ye ?)

this is what i want. ONLY this.

No, the word ONLY means "And no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively:" IE.. the ONLY advantage (IE 1 advantage) You can google the definition if you don't believe me.

It's only an unfair advantage if you are not allowed to use teamspeak yourself... and you can use it... you simply choose not to, which puts the onus of that directly on your shoulders. If you choose not to use a tool at your disposal to get a job done while another guy does... how is it his problem that you failed while he succeeded?

[Havyek]

Communicate with the team or run around by yourself and be fodder.

MWO is a team based game and as such if you play alone, you will die alone.

You don't need to drop in a group to play as part of a team. T is for ALL CHAT, Y is for TEAM CHAT. If you refuse to play as a team, you will die. There is/are no problems with the premade boogeyman. I run in a premade of 1-3 other people for about 1-2 hours a night. The other 1-2 hours I'm pugging. Bad teams are bad.

Bad players are bad.

[SI The Joker]

Adding to what Havoc said...

B brings up the map.
Once the map is up, upper left-hand corner -- click the "TAKE COMMAND" button.
Click on the map once to set a maker
Click on the marker to set the TYPE of marker
Watch your team full of solo players move towards the mark.

[Serapth]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 January 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

As a new player (never played any MMO before) I came in expecting to be handed to.

This is quite sad then, but your lack of MMO experience might be showing.

In almost all MMOs, you launch into a newbie area, or are often bracketed by level. More often than not there is a training area.

This is the same in games in general, with the exception of a few titles like Dark/Demon's Souls, there is a gradual introduction for the player as they are eased into the experience.

Very few games throw the new players to the sharks.

Even less games tie both hands behind their backs, kick them in the balls and gouge out one of their eyes first. That's what MWO is doing to new players... horrid starting mechs, grinded experience that gives massive advantages, premades allowed to stomp them, no training zone or even a place to test a mech out, very little documentation.

Just here, take this massively undergunned, overheating POS, go out there and fight often against 4 man teams, with 20+% better stats than you across the board, in better mechs than you by a factor of 5.

Yeah... that's a nice way to get people to rage quit.

[Joseph Mallan]

Serapth, on 15 January 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

True... now how long do you think it will take PGI to add them, and will there be any pugs left by the time they are complete? Well actually, in addition to those features, they also need shared targeting and communication macros, that would mostly even up the field.

7 billion people, a few thousand players... Odds are... yes, there will still be PUGs to come.

[Serapth]

BDU Havoc, on 15 January 2013 - 07:02 AM, said:

T is for ALL CHAT, Y is for TEAM CHAT.

And they are stupidly broken. Text stays on screen for what... 15 seconds. For some stupid reason its blurred out during the pregame match. Your ability to type dies when you do, so even if you are a scout you cant say "Look at in E6" after dying.

Comparing the in game text ability to voice is like comparing the Botswanian Army to the US Forces. Horridly lopsided.

[Ghogiel]

Serapth, on 15 January 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

how much faith do you have in them getting ELO right?

ELO will fix all the things. It's true everyone on the forum who has no clue about it fixing anything says so.

[Serapth]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

7 billion people, a few thousand players... Odds are... yes, there will still be PUGs to come.

Yes, and they give the game a few minutes evaluation.

Im not pulling a chicken little here, the sky isn't falling, yet.

BUT, the new user experience is crap, and they are squander god knows how many opportunities. Hell, just making the trial mechs viable would go a long way to solving the problem. Make trial mechs more like newbie training... you play a few matches as a light, then heavy, then medium, then assault, all in real mechs with actual heat sinks and endo steel. Then you award them the cadet bonus.

[Joseph Mallan]

I consider myself a new user (as I said never played an MMO). (heat mechanics will fix trials if the DEVs will actually fix that crap!). If the game was to hard or if it were total crap, I'd say so. It's getting boring cause its the same maps with the same non-missions after almost 7 months. Thanks to the guys on Chat I have something to look forward to other than the stomping of heavy feet and hum of a motor.

[NitroDev]

If you want a single player experience in a multiplayer game, you're gonna have a bad time. I suggest you go play World of Warcraft on a PvE server if that's what you want.

[Tasorin]

Look, even if they made a Solo Only drop option, you would still get p00ped all over because plenty of us would solo sync drop and then what?

Basically it would be like early Closed Beta when there was no matchmaking or grouping and it just tried to stuff 8v8 into a match...

[Serapth]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 January 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

I consider myself a new user (as I said never played an MMO). (heat mechanics will fix trials if the DEVs will actually fix that crap!). If the game was to hard or if it were total crap, I'd say so. It's getting boring cause its the same maps with the same non-missions after almost 7 months. Thanks to the guys on Chat I have something to look forward to other than the stomping of heavy feet and hum of a motor.

You are an elite founder with 5500 posts...

I don't exactly get how you consider yourself a new user. You certainly aren't the demographic we are discussing here.

NitroDev, on 15 January 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

If you want a single player experience in a multiplayer game, you're gonna have a bad time. I suggest you go play World of Warcraft on a PvE server if that's what you want.

Sigh... really, that's what you go out of what I said?

I wont bother refuting you, you obviously wont comprehend my reply.

[Exoth3rmic]

Unless your complaint is specifically about sync dropping, statistically you'll get premades on your team too over a decent sample size of games.

If you're still stuggling in that instance; well I suggest taking a step back and looking at the game play modes on offer, and what is to come in the future, and then adjust play style and expectations accordingly to your own commitment and time available.

Also don't be posting in community warfare posts if solo queing is your thing and you won't go to TS, i'll be calling you all out on that when I see it.

Edited by Exoth3rmic, 15 January 2013 - 07:24 AM.

[Serapth]

Exoth3rmic, on 15 January 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

Unless your complaint is specifically about sync dropping, statistically you'll get premades on your team too over a decent sample size of games.

If you're still stuggling in that instance; well I suggest taking a step back and looking at the game play modes on offer, and what is to come in the future, and then adjust play style and expectations accordingly to your own commitment and time available.

Also don't be posting in community warfare posts if solo queing is your thing and you won't go to TS, i'll be calling you all out on that when I see it.

TL;DR

Play like me or shutup.

Yep, heard that one too many times...


EDIT: Wow, [REDACTED] is censored...

Edited by Helmer, 16 January 2013 - 10:35 AM.
Edited for content.

[Bguk]

I've never seen this thread on the forums before. Not just new but refreshing as well!

Posting threads like these needs to stop until the planned fixes are in. Also, I will repeat this until they show the icon in game, there is no way to tell 100% of the time when you are facing a premade. Yes, premades happen. The overall percent of time they happen is unknown at this time due to lack of data.