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#141 Kaijin

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

View PostBuckminster, on 21 January 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

Pfft. Light mechs aren't all cheese.


PGI made them all cheese. It has been an unofficial "design pillar" from the very beginning to make light mechs "useful", compared to what they have been in previous MW titles.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

Dude all mech's are killable, i kill all the ecm variants frequently in assaults and out, i occasionally run into a lagtastic light but all you do is lead your target a bit more...its not rocket science....with all the qq'ing going on you would think you need a masters at Physical sciences to do it....it is actually quite easy

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

View PostPihb, on 21 January 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

You drive a light mech, you know you have an unfair advantage over everyone else. How do you square this in your head? Put aside the fact that PGI has not called what you do cheating. How do you go out every match, in a mech that you and everyone knows has an unfair advantage. If you were a 13 year old i would understand why you enjoy having an I win button. I loved cheat codes when i was 13.


after driving a hunchie and a stalker i finally switched to a raven 3l... quite frankly it's so glaringly op it's ridiculous. if my hunchie ever walked into a group of 4 mechs, or even my stalker i'd be dead so quick, the odd's of me getting out are next to zero. but on a raven 3l, i get out of that situation 9/10. you put a raven 3l up against ANY OTHER bot who doesn't have an ecm? it's not even a contest. unless they're running dual guass guns and they land a lucky shot or 4 they aren't going to win. in a normal game i can distract 4 mech's for at least 2-3 minutes non stop before i get taken out, if not longer. sometimes i'll kill 1 or 2 of them before i die, and on really rare occasions when they're awful i'll kill all 4. it's completely ridiculous. the ONLY counter is to have another ecm, most effectively a light to counter my ecm and then streak me to death. lasers, ballistics are all entirely useless against a 3L.

until they fix the net code and hitboxes, a good temporary fix for lights is to reduce their base hit points (right now it seems like they base hitpoints are almost as high as their armor, 20 pts or so). leg armor for lights need to be cut in half. 30+ armor per leg is crazy. you can eat 2 full gauss gun shots and still keep running... on a light? that's entirely unacceptable. the rest of their armor could use a 25% reduction at least. once you put in a max engine on a light they're by far the hardest thing to kill, aka take the longest. which is all that really matters in this game, how long it takes you to kill someone. the longer it takes you the higher the odds of someone else coming up and blowing you up. it's either nerf their current survivability, or bring their weapons load down. a 3l might not be so bad even with all their current survivability if say they only had 2 energy hardpoints and 1 missile hardpoint which would cut their dmg output nearly in half. either way the current form for lights lets them have their cake and eat it too. they move fast are hard to kill and dish out effective dmg.


with all that said, i have to admit i justify playing a light because it's fun. compared to my hunchie who basically dies if i get caught out, which is frustrating. my light raven 3l offers me much better odds of survival and therefore i'm in the game longer. the high maneuverability allows me to get alot more accomplished. i can escape engagements that are bad. for isntance say i just turn a corner and i'm met by 4 mechs. in a light i can quickly get the heck out, in a hunchie i'm boned unless they didn't notice me. stalkers are basically the same as my hunchie except with the stalker i can drop a heck of alot more dmg than my hunchie. maybe mediums are just the ******* children in this game but they seem utterly useless to me right now. if you fit them with a big engine to make them maneuverable their dmg output is barely better than a light's. their armor is nowhere near enough when you fit them with decent weapons for high dmg. the only thing mediums are good for is if someone else is distracting the enemy and you go in and hit them hard then hide out around a corner or something. at least with my stalker i can stay in a fight for longer than a few seconds. but even then my light is superior int hat regard, my light can stay in a fight for 5-7 minutes no problem. more often than not people will simply give up on trying to kill me cause it's much easier to kill a medium or a heavy/assault. allowing me to wreak havoc. it's just really stupid all around how strong lights are. a gorup of 3-4 lights with 2-3 ecm's between them can tear apart a pack of 4 mechs of mediums, heavies, or assaults. it's ridiculous.


TLDR: lights are too survivable. they need their armor nerfed, base hitpoints and armor. if not a nerf to their survivability then a nerf to their hardpoints/weapons or tonnage.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

View PostPihb, on 21 January 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

You drive a light mech, you know you have an unfair advantage over everyone else. How do you square this in your head? Put aside the fact that PGI has not called what you do cheating. How do you go out every match, in a mech that you and everyone knows has an unfair advantage. If you were a 13 year old i would understand why you enjoy having an I win button. I loved cheat codes when i was 13.


Ah yes the QQ; moar, MOAR! I need them to fuel my Jenner.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

NOM NOM NOM, Gimme MORE TEARS


*Transforms into a tear licking Zombie*......TEARS.....TEARS.....I need TEARS

#146 Knights0fNi

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

Man call the waaambulance.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostPihb, on 21 January 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

You drive a light mech, you know you have an unfair advantage over everyone else. How do you square this in your head? Put aside the fact that PGI has not called what you do cheating. How do you go out every match, in a mech that you and everyone knows has an unfair advantage. If you were a 13 year old i would understand why you enjoy having an I win button. I loved cheat codes when i was 13.


Ah, light-shaming. Using social pressure to control how other people play a game is a low blow. If you don't like the metagame, I think you're better served learning how to deal with it than you are trying to change it.

EDIT: I feel tempted to add - I don't drive a light. My lightest ride is a Centurion.

Edited by Padic, 21 January 2013 - 02:23 PM.


#148 KingBane

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

also the biggest reason i play a raven 3L now, is because it's so effective in killing other lights. counter their ecm and streak them to death. energy and ballistics are just entirely ineffectual.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:19 PM

One, it's fun.
Two, I don't have much rationalizing to do; my lights are all spiders. I have maneuverability, but crap armour. I actually have to aim to deal damage, unlike the other Lights. And I know it's not that difficult to hit lights with lasers. It's just a skill most people don't seem to have. I've faced an almost identical Spider and in the time it took him to graze me a couple times, I had crippled him, and would have killed him if my teammate hadn't stolen the kill.

Streak lights are OP because they don't require aim, which is normally harder for lights, and they have very high, consistent DPS. My 5D has an Alpha of 18 (and that's the best Spider) if I can hit them with my lasers for the whole duration. A Raven 3L, on the other hand deals 10 damage just from its missiles, and doesn't even have to look at you to get a guaranteed hit, while also having 3 lasers and being immune to streaks itself.

So yeah. I don't feel I need to justify playing lights, because none of my lights have streaks, and they all have very low damage outputs. If anyone could learn to lead targets, I'd be screwed.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostPihb, on 21 January 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

You drive a light mech, you know you have an unfair advantage over everyone else. How do you square this in your head? Put aside the fact that PGI has not called what you do cheating. How do you go out every match, in a mech that you and everyone knows has an unfair advantage. If you were a 13 year old i would understand why you enjoy having an I win button. I loved cheat codes when i was 13.


I didn't notice.

I can aim.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

View PostPihb, on 21 January 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

You drive a light mech, you know you have an unfair advantage over everyone else. How do you square this in your head? Put aside the fact that PGI has not called what you do cheating. How do you go out every match, in a mech that you and everyone knows has an unfair advantage. If you were a 13 year old i would understand why you enjoy having an I win button. I loved cheat codes when i was 13.

Im a heavy pilot myself but I have one light. A spider to be exact but it just sits in my mechbay.Knowing that alot of issues with the game hasn't been resolved yet.I simply cannot pilot one until they are.I dont know about anyone else but if i cant beat u fair and square then getting the win just isnt as satisfying.So I agree with the op on this one. :P

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

I had to lvl it...

Edited by Budor, 21 January 2013 - 02:42 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:46 PM

The double armor per location choice begins to break down on the lighter 'Mechs. The fact that I have a light machine with 238 points of armor is pretty crazy. The Urbie, which was dedicated to be slow and heavily armored has an armor factor of 96 in regular BT. Usually the most heavily armored light should never have more than 12-14 points of armor on each leg. In MWO it isn't rare to see lights with over 30 points in each leg. I have no problem with the small hit boxes and difficulty to track, but they should not be able to take an AC 20 slug to any location and still ****** off to fight again. This is coming from a Jenner pilot.

That being said, it is very difficult for me, even with 6 Medium Lasers to take out a heavy without investing some serious time and risk. But, unless the larger machine has a really good pilot that knows how to keep that light machine in its sights, its only a matter of time. Once we start seeing some medium jumpers that have good maneuver profiles, the light 'mech with ECM is going to remain king.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:46 PM

Lights are broken thanks to no "Collision" and crappy netcode AKA "Warping." I don't play them right now because of the problems. If other players wanna use them fine, but don't brag about your high score either. Collision should never have been removed when we went to open beta.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostPihb, on 21 January 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

You drive a light mech, you know you have an unfair advantage over everyone else...


Over the XP weekend I was leveling-up two non-ECM commandos. It was much more of a 'nightmare' than an advantage.

#156 Bounty Dogg

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

I rationalize it like this:

"hmm, I feel like playing lights today!"

.............

thats it.

#157 Fbishop

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

All I pilot is Light as of now...love harassing and scouting. Pretty damned good at it too, if I say so myself...

#158 PoLaR

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Lights don't bother me.

The only 'mech I look down on Is the 3L, and I have every right to.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:59 PM

lol, as someone else said

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

During closed beta I piloted all the available mechs to get a feel for them and the game. Since open started I haven't played as much and have only piloted Atlases, Cicadas, a Cataphract, and now the Spider. From a assault pilots perspective lights are a major annoyance. From the light pilots perspective every other mech is dangerous. While the game is still in basic development and balance is not assured, so certain mechs, weapons or what have you will be OP. Right now Ravens are a very powerful mech. Before ECM they were not. Maybe they will fix jump jets and the Highlander will be OP because of death from above. I just sent a bunch of time leveling the Spider and while they are fun, it takes a lot of time to level them while pugging. Honestly they are next to dead if SSRMs are anywhere near.

Edited by MacKerris, 25 January 2013 - 07:54 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostChavette, on 21 January 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

You're right, real men play heavy or assault.


i think that should be Mediums.





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