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[Bhael Fire]

I'm actually pretty happy they are doing a stat wipe. Not because I'm embarrassed by mine, but because I like the idea of everyone starting on the same level playing field — considering how many exploits there have been in the game since open beta started.

That said, I'm also happy to get a chance to earn a "cleaner" more accurate set of stats.

When I first started playing again after closed beta, I didn't care about my K/DR...at all. I piloted recklessly because there wasn't a proper training ground that I could use to find a mech that fit my play style comfortably. I racked up dozens of deaths and a mere smattering of kills just looking for the perfect fit. My K/DR was abysmal at 0.39 or something horrible like that.

Anyway...long story short; I made a lot of mistakes along the way and I've learned from them. And all the balancing changes and a wonky PUG matchmaking system didn't help much.

Even though my kills will probably far exceed my deaths by time they wipe the stats (averaging 1 or 2 kills per death these days), it'll be nice to be able to start fresh with a chance to get even better stats....with fewer deaths. And not for anyone's else sake but my own.

[Kahoumono]

I wish I had something to lose. Don't really care about them to begin with cause they don't say much at the moment. Until they fix the net code a lot of the stats will be deceptive.

[Harmatia]

I think PGI will have to if they ever plan on using player "skill" as a pillar of matchmaking in MWO. There have been too many matchmaking problems for existing stats to be legitimate and fair.

[Mr Mantis]

If you care too much about your stats you are doing it wrong, if you don't care about your stats at all you are doing it wrong. Glad to hear they are cleaning up a few messes.

[OneEyed Jack]

Asakara, on 22 January 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...t-2529-updated/



http://mwomercs.com/...k-on-open-beta/



http://mwomercs.com/...k-on-open-beta/

Oh, please.
They were clearly referring to the wipes of mechs, xp and such that they apparently did several times in CB.

I can't help but feel that anyone who has a real problem with this has stats that they doing something they won't be able to repeat later, once balancing is better and the exploits are fixed....

[TopDawg]

OneEyed Jack, on 22 January 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Oh, please.
They were clearly referring to the wipes of mechs, xp and such that they apparently did several times in CB.

I can't help but feel that anyone who has a real problem with this has stats that they doing something they won't be able to repeat later, once balancing is better and the exploits are fixed....

Or maybe they had free time now that they spent playing and won't have as much time to acquire those stats later? I don't really care about my KDR, but it'll be a bit disappointing to lose ~4,500 kills, 3,000+ matches, and 2,000+ wins.

As I said earlier, it's not the end of the world, but I think there are better ways to go about it (like I also posted earlier):

"It would make more sense to keep track of stats on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly basis, and then having 'lifetime' stats as well.

I'm not sure why it makes sense to erase stats when it should be more than feasible to simply start tracking stats for achievements when said achievements are introduced, or again the same thing when phase 3 is introduced."

[GrabbleRus]

We need a new formula as the main rating coefficient.
1) Average XP should be calculated without +100/300 XP for Loss/Win and of course without all premium, hero mech etc bonuses. And we need to incorporate damage in it. Maybe via adding XP for damage.Then we can see clearly what our team value is.
2) K/D ratio should be replaced by rating R=((Kill+Loss)/(Death+Win)). This way those suffering from **** teammates won't be so much inferior to roflstomping premades players with 10:1 Win/Loss ratio. It's not an ideal formula - but i think it's better than what we have.

[Murku]

Started thinking 'hell yeah' to the potential statwipe, but also see the nostalgia element.

Hopefully they will park your final pre-ELO/achievements score somewhere warm and friendly in your profile for you to glance at any time your feeling low, but as clearly needed be happy to begin afresh with a matchmaking system in place.

[Kyryos]

Stat wipe is fine as long as I keep all the cbills and mechs ive earned.

[GrabbleRus]

Murku, on 22 January 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

Started thinking 'hell yeah' to the potential statwipe, but also see the nostalgia element.

Hopefully they will park your final pre-ELO/achievements score somewhere warm and friendly in your profile for you to glance at any time your feeling low, but as clearly needed be happy to begin afresh with a matchmaking system in place.

With the implementation of the ELO rating the game will lose a lot of its fun. Right now you can just log in and press launch without worries and be in the battle 5 secs later. No hard feeling for loss. Just imagine the ammounts of rage spilling from those who whine about pugs, ECM, ravens, gausscats, streakcats etc. right now.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Congzilla, on 22 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

I am fine with a reset.

which is funny... there was a stat reset thread out yesterday and the number of "it would destroy the game" rants was just funny

http://mwomercs.com/...e-refund-reset/

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 22 January 2013 - 10:05 PM.

[Elizander]

They can simply do "Life Time" and "Seasonal" stats.

[GuineaPigSparky]

Looking over the Stat tree, Yes, it is quite useless as is.
Look at stats the way baseball players are tracked.

i would like some continuous statistics available such as:

Avg dmg per match overall
Avg dmg per match: Lights

Avg dmg per match: Meds

Avg dmg per match: Heavies

Avg dmg per match: Assaults

Assists last match
Assists accumulated since "X" some datebenchmark
Avg assists per match by mech weight as above.

Spotting assists accumulative
Spotting assists avg per match


Basically, anything experience can be earned doing would be wonderful to see a stat sheet on my performance. A report card excellent for guild applications, bragging amongst friends and generally watching improvements and degradation of pilot skill over time. I would be happy with a simple count of number of assists, number of hits scored, perhaps critical damage point capture as well to see where something special could be discovered.

And definitely a record of friendly fire damage dealt along with a record of team kills. !! Imagine, an actual method to determine the ethics of a pilot !! OMG

Having some experience in statistics, I like lots of numbers.

[Roadkill]

I'll be upset if they wipe our stats. There's no good reason to do it, and I can think of a few reasons to not do it.

1) They don't need to wipe our stats in order to implement achievements. They could simply start the achievements from whatever point each person is at when they add them into the game.

2) They've said repeatedly that there will be no more wipes. Yet another broken promise.

3) While I won't have any trouble getting a better KDR than I have now, I doubt I'll have as much free time once this happens as I've had since Open Beta started. I will have a difficult time getting my totals back to their current point, nevermind the fact that my current total should be included in whatever I manage to get back to.

Bad idea, PGI. Way to **** off your customers again.

[Thorn Hallis]

I hope they'll make suicide stats public before the wipe.

[MajorBorris]

I thought there were no more resets?

Thats why I actvated my premium and why I played alot when beta went open.

Maybe I should wait untill this game is out of "beta" before spending anymore $

Besides, that $30 Atlas K Im selling for a mechbay pretty much broke my bank for a long time.

Edited by MajorBorris, 22 January 2013 - 11:51 PM.

[DirePhoenix]

MajorBorris, on 22 January 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

I thought there were no more resets?

Thats why I actvated my premium and why I played alot when beta went open.

Maybe I should wait untill this game is out of "beta" before spending anymore $

Besides, that $30 Atlas K Im selling for a mechbay pretty much broke my bank for a long time.

There are no more DATA wipes. Your character, your XP, your 'mechs, your CBills, your purchased items will still be there. (Although to be fair, I know I'm not as easily parted with my MC now as I will be when the game actually goes live)

A stat wipe/reset is meaningless at this juncture, and frankly it should be expected. We're still in beta. We have entire systems not yet in place. We're playing a game without all the parts, and the parts we have aren't even tuned yet. Our stats don't mean anything right now, and honestly they shouldn't until this game is out of beta and the systems are more concrete. It also only makes sense to reset the stats after they've built an achievement system so everyone can start on the same page instead of picking a point in the game when they didn't have the systems tuned (or even in place), and not everyone has experienced the game in the same state.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

I have a 4.19 K/D ratio at the moment. About 55% of my play time is Pugging all alone, the other 40% with a friend or two (rarely 4), the last 5% in a premade with voice comms or 8-man.

I'm really NOT in favour of a stat reset because it erases a couple months of my hard work. But I can live with it I guess, in the interests of helping new players.

However I don't see the point if PGI isn't going to change anything regarding dropping premade teams (of any size) among solo players. We'll just end up back with the same "skewed" stats over time, where people who never drop alone have vastly superior stats to those who do, regardless of skill.

PGI, don't reset the stats if you're not prepared to put a Solo only mode.

In fact, you should provide entirely separate stats for Solo-only, 2-4 man group and 8-man group.

.

Edited by 5th Fedcom Rat, 23 January 2013 - 12:38 AM.

[MajorBorris]

DirePhoenix, on 23 January 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:

There are no more DATA wipes. Your character, your XP, your 'mechs, your CBills, your purchased items will still be there. (Although to be fair, I know I'm not as easily parted with my MC now as I will be when the game actually goes live)

A stat wipe/reset is meaningless at this juncture, and frankly it should be expected. We're still in beta. We have entire systems not yet in place. We're playing a game without all the parts, and the parts we have aren't even tuned yet. Our stats don't mean anything right now, and honestly they shouldn't until this game is out of beta and the systems are more concrete. It also only makes sense to reset the stats after they've built an achievement system so everyone can start on the same page instead of picking a point in the game when they didn't have the systems tuned (or even in place), and not everyone has experienced the game in the same state.

You are assuming my time and $ is meaningless, time and $ I spent playing to earn among other things, future achievments... as from what I understood there would be no more resets.

[Wispsy]

Would prefer a 'lifetime' and then various like week, month, year, season etc I spent a lot of time getting those 5k+ kills but if they reset it my ratio would only go up from what it is now and if there are achievements for reaching a certain kd it will be easier to cheese it up for the first day instead of slowly working it up(my kd changes at 0.01? For a death and not even that if it is only 2 kills).