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[StarfyrGuns]

Adridos, on 24 January 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Already done with Mechwarrior 4. The pop-tarting experience is nothing any of us would like to return.

To quote G. Santayana: "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."

Back in Vengence and Star Leagues, anyone who insisted in bidding to have 3rd person, got a face full of Pea-Soup Fog in return lmao

[Captain Wolfsburg]

I'm all no for this.

Even if they were to implement it in the way they claim, with an option to drop in a 3rd person game or not, it will split the player base and create a whole slough of balancing issues, such as proper weapon convergence in 3rd person. Even if you choose 1st person only, it's likely the reworked targeting system to accommodate 3rd person will negatively effect your 1st person experience.

I say, MWO was promised to be a 1st person only simulator style game. That's what we want. Keep it that way.

[StandingCow]

Don't like it and don't think it belongs in MW. I am fine with it in a testing/training environment in order to aid new players in understanding how their mech moves, but that is it.

[Valentyn]

I certainly hope it never makes an appearance.

[buttmonkey]

i dont see what your ******* problem is seriously wtf!

if me and a few friends want to play in 3rd person mode against other people who want to play in 3rd person mode what does that have to do with you? who are you people to tell me i cant?

the devs have stated that NOBODY WILL BE FORCED TO PLAY AGAINST PEOPLE USING 3RD PERSON IF THEY DONT WANT TO!!!! so stop your QQing

addng the option for 3rd person will only bring morepeople to the game, how is that bad? more money means a better game more likely to succeed.

and if it doesnt affect you why do you care? you will still have your 1pv v 1pv only so grow up aready

you people obviously dont listen so i will say it again like the devs have a thousand times already

NOBODY WILL BE FORCED TO PLAY AGAINST PEOPLE USING 3RD PERSON IF THEY DONT WANT TO!!!!

here it is just one more time for those of you who really are the dumbest of the dumb and cant get your feeble minds around
it

NOBODY WILL BE FORCED TO PLAY AGAINST PEOPLE USING 3RD PERSON IF THEY DONT WANT TO!!!!

[AlexEss]

I like how people acts like it is still a argument IF TPV will go in game. That ship have sailed loooooooong ago. It will be coming and the only thing we can influence now is how it will be put in-game.

Face it... even this poll in this thread only give the opinion of maybe 10% of the games population at best. As noted by Bryan "we" also reflect a very specific sub-category of the community that in many way slot in to the "hard-core/fan" we have a far greater knowledge and familiarity with both the franchise and the play-style then the average consumer.

If the average player want to have third person view they will get is because they are the majority. If you do not like it you will have to get a few mil of your own and buy the license away from PGI and make your own game... At what point you will understand that catering to the vocal minority is ok if you make a game for your self and don't care about cost or return on investment.

Now personally i do not care if we get a third person view because i am way to curious on how they are going to implement it in order to make it good. If it turns out bad... Well then they just have to re-work it and if the majority swings to take it out.. guess what... it will be taken out.

Right now "we" are not the majority. (even if the majority of "us" want the same thing)

[wolfhnd]

"and if it doesnt affect you why do you care?"

Because the Developers have plenty of things to fix without alienating the majority of the community with a difficult feature to implement? If it is true that only a handful of people want it what makes anyone think it will attract new players? If it does attract new players are they likely to spend real money on the game?

I think there is a good chance that the money lost developing this feature and the players that are alienated by the developers wasting time on it could easily be more than it will generate. This is not Battlefield, Call of Duty or even World of Tanks, it's a niche game and the hope of drawing huge numbers of new players is most likely a pipe dream. Harken went down the copy what works for the masses road and it is failing. If you care about this game surviving encourage the Developers to cater to the only reliable market they have which of course are the battletech fans.

[mania3c]

AlexEss, on 23 March 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

I like how people acts like it is still a argument IF TPV will go in game. That ship have sailed loooooooong ago. It will be coming and the only thing we can influence now is how it will be put in-game.

Face it... even this poll in this thread only give the opinion of maybe 10% of the games population at best. As noted by Bryan "we" also reflect a very specific sub-category of the community that in many way slot in to the "hard-core/fan" we have a far greater knowledge and familiarity with both the franchise and the play-style then the average consumer.

If the average player want to have third person view they will get is because they are the majority. If you do not like it you will have to get a few mil of your own and buy the license away from PGI and make your own game... At what point you will understand that catering to the vocal minority is ok if you make a game for your self and don't care about cost or return on investment.

Now personally i do not care if we get a third person view because i am way to curious on how they are going to implement it in order to make it good. If it turns out bad... Well then they just have to re-work it and if the majority swings to take it out.. guess what... it will be taken out.

Right now "we" are not the majority. (even if the majority of "us" want the same thing)

Actually ..it will affect everyone..players, developers, fanbois, haters..everyone...

3rd person view is creating sooo many problems while is not solution for almost anything.. They are trying to fix the wrong end..instead trying to teach new players to play in 1st person mode, they are giving something which is unbalanced, exploitable, cost development time and money and in the end, these players wont stay in the game for a long time anyway. plain and simple.. I understand you want to play from 3rd person view..but if 3rd person view will be also in CW ..not just some private matches, it's creating many logic, logistic and balance problems, which just CAN'T be solved and not making game experience worse for everyone...that's the problem.

Edited by mania3c, 23 March 2013 - 04:02 AM.

[buttmonkey]

wolfhnd, on 23 March 2013 - 03:47 AM, said:

"and if it doesnt affect you why do you care?"

Because the Developers have plenty of things to fix without alienating the majority of the community with a difficult feature to implement? If it is true that only a handful of people want it what makes anyone think it will attract new players? If it does attract new players are they likely to spend real money on the game?

I think there is a good chance that the money lost developing this feature and the players that are alienated by the developers wasting time on it could easily be more than it will generate. This is not Battlefield, Call of Duty or even World of Tanks, it's a niche game and the hope of drawing huge numbers of new players is most likely a pipe dream. Harken went down the copy what works for the masses road and it is failing. If you care about this game surviving encourage the Developers to cater to the only reliable market they have which of course are the battletech fans.

i actually agree with you that they have better things to do right now. but i think if the majority of people didnt want it then they wouldnt do it. what i think is going on is that the minority love it as fps and now that its clear to change 100% of them are QQing.

i would say most people dont actually care because they will have a choice, and it will implemented fairly.i think the excuse of "it will split the community" is fear from 1pv fanatics. but 3rd person can be embraced.

personally i will still use 1st person 90% of the time and just use 3rd person when i want to experiment with things or see what my cammo looks like

[color=#959595]but if 3rd person view will be also in CW ..not just some private matches, it's creating many logic, logistic and balance problems, which just CAN'T be solved and not making game experience worse for everyone...that's the problem.[/color]

[color=#959595]this is true it should be in competitive gaming especially competitions![/color]

the best solution is to use it in "casual" drops only

Edited by buttmonkey, 23 March 2013 - 04:10 AM.

[Solomon Ward]

Do not care because i don´t have to queue with people who use 3rd person view.

If 3rd person view gets more players (which i doubt but what do i know) it´s benefitting the longevity of MWO.

[AlexEss]

mania3c, on 23 March 2013 - 04:01 AM, said:

Actually ..it will affect everyone..players, developers, fanbois, haters..everyone...

3rd person view is creating sooo many problems while is not solution for almost anything.. They are trying to fix the wrong end..instead trying to teach new players to play in 1st person mode, they are giving something which is unbalanced, exploitable, cost development time and money and in the end, these players wont stay in the game for a long time anyway. plain and simple.. I understand you want to play from 3rd person view..but if 3rd person view will be also in CW ..not just some private matches, it's creating many logic, logistic and balance problems, which just CAN'T be solved and not making game experience worse for everyone...that's the problem.

Based on what evidence...? We have yet to even see a prototype of a prototype fro this mode. At this point it is conjecture based on how earlier games have done it.

[Sharptooth]

3rd person view in game would not be a bad thing if it could not be exploited to look over walls for jump shooters to aim at a target without risk to themselves. It would be cool to be able to look at your mech if we could upload our own logo's / tags and such. Would be satisfied if you could do this in the lab only. There are many ways this game is lacking in player options and usability that don't take my lunch money to use it. Good luck!

And Yes I voted no! At this time.

Edited by Sharptooth, 23 March 2013 - 04:36 AM.

[mania3c]

AlexEss, on 23 March 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

Based on what evidence...? We have yet to even see a prototype of a prototype fro this mode. At this point it is conjecture based on how earlier games have done it.

Problem is, we don't have prototype yet.. but many issues arise already ...and noone was able to bring any solution on the table..

[August55]

Nope.avi

[Mystere]

mania3c, on 23 March 2013 - 05:01 AM, said:

Problem is, we don't have prototype yet.. but many issues arise already ...and noone was able to bring any solution on the table..

And here is the crux of the matter. We do not yet have any prototype and we also do not yet have many details of how it will be implemented aside from a few ideas Paul added at the bottom of Bryan's original post. Yet, there is already an explosion of "doom and gloom" and "the sky is really falling" posts.

Also, what issues, and are they real or just perceived ones?

So far, a lot of what I am seeing is FEAR of it becoming just like MW4. And to those people I ask: what makes you so sure it will be more of the same?

Another one I am seeing is people complaining about PGI breaking a "promise" they gave. Well, I have news for you, software development projects can and do change direction, sometimes even for the better.

Edited by Mystere, 23 March 2013 - 05:28 AM.

[StandingCow]

Solomon Ward, on 23 March 2013 - 04:08 AM, said:

Do not care because i don´t have to queue with people who use 3rd person view.

If 3rd person view gets more players (which i doubt but what do i know) it´s benefitting the longevity of MWO.

And how is that going to work with community warfare eh? 3rd person only planets? A whole different CW world for 3rd person view folks?

Complicates things a bit doesn't it.

[Alois Hammer]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 23 January 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

thats a pain that they removed that poll -.-

Had to be done, it got in the way of them ramming 3rd person up our [REDACTED]s regardless of whether we wanted it or not.

[AlexEss]

Alois Hammer, on 23 March 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Had to be done, it got in the way of them ramming 3rd person up our [REDACTED]s regardless of whether we wanted it or not.

See... this guy/gal gets it. Or at least part of it.

It is coming, so why not put your energy in to figuring out ways to make it as non intrusive as you can instead of flogging what is in essence a very dead horse.

[Boggratt]

Bhael Fire, on 23 January 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

Third person in TRAINING MODE ONLY.

Do not allow players to chose which camera setting to use outside of that.

This would be good to get a screen shot of your mech in its shiny paint job outside of the mech bay which is at the moment the only time that you can see your handiwork*

But on all accounts keep 3rd person out of the game!

*The only other time is when its flat on its face as smokin' wreck on the battlefield!

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Solomon Ward, on 23 March 2013 - 04:08 AM, said:

Do not care because i don´t have to queue with people who use 3rd person view.

If 3rd person view gets more players (which i doubt but what do i know) it´s benefitting the longevity of MWO.

they say that NOW. They also said that we'd never have 3rd person. What they say of that position now is "yes that was our position at the time".
Will you still be OK if their position later on is that they DONT need to split the ques?