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[Greyfyl]

Dimento Graven, on 29 January 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

People unwilling to invest a bit of free time, and zero cost effort to join a community and download a FREE VOIP solution, and put forth minimal effort to install it, aren't the sort of people who will invest REAL MONEY into any game.

100% pure speculation

[Dimento Graven]

Greyfyl, on 29 January 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Guess what, some people play games to relax or to have fun. They don't want to have to take it super duper serious. Call them casuals or whatever, but those players could be enticed to stay and become a part of the community if the initial learning curve wasn't compounded by the problem of being thrown against players that have been playing MW in one form or another for 15 years, and then compounded by the pugstomping that goes on in the US evening hours.

Ease them in, let them enjoy what is fun about MW for a bit before throwing them to the wolves.

It sounds like a lot of you are mad becuase just maybe PGI might take away your free ride, I am hopeful that they do as it would make for a much better game overall.

They are enticed, we let them drop as pugs, casually. Just like everyone else, all non-hero 'mechs are available to them once they earn the cash. Just like everyone else, all available equipment is avilable to them (excluding modules) once they earn the cash.

Beyond that, sorry, time to get serious, join a community and invest just a minimal amount of effort in forming/joining pre-mades and installing FREE VOIP solutions...

Edited by Dimento Graven, 29 January 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[New Breed]

Jade Kitsune, on 29 January 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

No

You are a PuG, you are padding for existing units, that is your point of being.

if you don't like it, tough, the devs have told you what you get if you choose to pug.

You are an ***** if you want to push pug players away, if you had it your way in the end you'd have 100 people in game. It would be the next mechwarrior living legends.

Never open a business, EVER.

[Dimento Graven]

Greyfyl, on 29 January 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

100% pure speculation

If you're too cheap to spend 20 minutes joining a merc group (I think it took me 5 minutes of searching on the merc forum, and maybe 10 minutes to go to their site, create a forum account, and fill out an application form, then 5 minutes downloading and installing TS), I seriously doubt you're any more willing to punch in a credit card number and shell out REAL money that you spent hours earning.

I mean, I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'll be willing to bet the majority of 100% pugs have never spent a dime in this game.

Ghost Bear, on 29 January 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

You are an ***** if you want to push pug players away, if you had it your way in the end you'd have 100 people in game. It would be the next mechwarrior living legends.

Never open a business, EVER.

Thousands invested real money as founders. I'm willing to bet most founders joined communities and regularly drop in pre-made groups.

So... Your number of 100's is a gross under estimation...

Edited by Dimento Graven, 29 January 2013 - 12:24 PM.

[Jacmac]

Mystere, on 29 January 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

Simple. Eventhough I PUG 100%, I want to slap the big baddies (i.e. groups ) or die trying.

I never said you should not be able to if you want to. Go ahead and drop against premades as a solo player , good luck to you . But solo players should be able to make that choice, not be forced into it .

Edited by Jacmac, 29 January 2013 - 12:46 PM.

[Jacmac]

Centagon, on 29 January 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

I don't understand why people 4+4 sync drop. It's disgusting. You rarely come across other groups doing it at the same time, so you know it's not going to be a fair fight. These are scumbag players LOOKING for an unfair fight in their advantage. How much worse of a player could you be? Harken to the good old days where 8man premades fought pubs for easy wins, amirite? Except they never got good enough to actually fight other 8man premades... Such a sad ego stroke.

You are laboring under a misapprehension. 4+4 sync drops are not looking for a fair or unfair fight, they are looking to play together. PGI hasn't made it possible, so they have worked the system to try to make it happen the way they want to play. 8-man matches are a mess due to small maps and ECM. 4-mans are bad because of the mixing of solo players and premades, but they aren't as boring as 8-mans are right now. At least that's how I read it from players in my unit that simply don't want to play anything but 4-mans.

Edited by Jacmac, 29 January 2013 - 12:52 PM.

[PropagandaWar]

Zylo, on 29 January 2013 - 05:15 AM, said:

So, are you going to try and suggest that sync-dropping doesn't harm the game in any way?

I don't give a **** what your experience is, if you are sync-dropping you are part of the problem and are damaging this game.

Totally agree. In fact I groan when we happen to be doing four mans and our team drops and ends up with us. However when they are on the other side I love it. I also play at max 1/4th of my ability when Im running in my lance and another premade comes on, A lot of times I even rambo because I know the opposing team is less likely to be in the sames situation. Just so you know if phase three brings in full groups again I will not hesitate to play that way. MM will be getting ironed out.

[Jacmac]

PropagandaWar, on 29 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

I also play at max 1/4th of my ability when Im running in my lance and another premade comes on, A lot of times I even rambo because I know we will still flatten them like a new driveway.

[Dimento Graven]

Yeah in fact I wish it were possible to plan who you're going to compete against. I know in my merc group with all our companies, having company vs. company battles would be awsome!

[Kristov Kerensky]

Greyfyl, on 29 January 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Guess what, some people play games to relax or to have fun. They don't want to have to take it super duper serious. Call them casuals or whatever, but those players could be enticed to stay and become a part of the community if the initial learning curve wasn't compounded by the problem of being thrown against players that have been playing MW in one form or another for 15 years, and then compounded by the pugstomping that goes on in the US evening hours.

Ease them in, let them enjoy what is fun about MW for a bit before throwing them to the wolves.

It sounds like a lot of you are mad becuase just maybe PGI might take away your free ride, I am hopeful that they do as it would make for a much better game overall.

Free ride? I drop solo more then I drop in a group, you must have me confused with your imaginary voices or something. I still have a positive KDR and WLR, because I'm decent in a Mech and I work with my team without needing to be given directions, I simply follow my team and help them. I know, I KNOW!, what kind of stupid ****** up **** is THAT! Playing as a team member in a team oriented game! That is SO messed up, PGI needs to fix that NOW! Take out that team bs RIGHT NOW! Damn, YOU should be able to take out all 8 of the enemy all by yourself in a Spider with a single small laser, am I right? I mean, YOU are a casual player, why should you need to be able to play the game? What the hell is THAT bs, play the game, you are a CASUAL PLAYER for ****'s sake, you don't have time to do stupid stuff like LEARN how to use that giant robot, it's a ROBOT after all, just turn it lose while you go nuke dinner or something, you come back and you've beaten all the AI opponents and have gotten another level, another purple reward item and some gold, right, that's what video games are all about, right? I mean, that's how your OTHER MMOs work, you run the macro and go do stuff while the avatar kills the AI opponents, why the hell isn't MWO doing it that way!!!!!!!!!!!

Psssst, you got the wrong game Greyfyl, as does anyone else who thinks you can do well in a PvP game without actually bothering to learn how to play the game.

[KingCobra]

Kristov Kerensky, on 29 January 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

Free ride? I drop solo more then I drop in a group, you must have me confused with your imaginary voices or something. I still have a positive KDR and WLR, because I'm decent in a Mech and I work with my team without needing to be given directions, I simply follow my team and help them. I know, I KNOW!, what kind of stupid ****** up **** is THAT! Playing as a team member in a team oriented game! That is SO messed up, PGI needs to fix that NOW! Take out that team bs RIGHT NOW! Damn, YOU should be able to take out all 8 of the enemy all by yourself in a Spider with a single small laser, am I right? I mean, YOU are a casual player, why should you need to be able to play the game? What the hell is THAT bs, play the game, you are a CASUAL PLAYER for ****'s sake, you don't have time to do stupid stuff like LEARN how to use that giant robot, it's a ROBOT after all, just turn it lose while you go nuke dinner or something, you come back and you've beaten all the AI opponents and have gotten another level, another purple reward item and some gold, right, that's what video games are all about, right? I mean, that's how your OTHER MMOs work, you run the macro and go do stuff while the avatar kills the AI opponents, why the hell isn't MWO doing it that way!!!!!!!!!!!

Psssst, you got the wrong game Greyfyl, as does anyone else who thinks you can do well in a PvP game without actually bothering to learn how to play the game.

This has got to be one of the most idiotic posts in this thread. What PGI has done is strip and clone Mechwarrior4 Mercenaries Multiplayer into MWO and they did not even take the best part of MW4Mercs multiplayer to go along with MWO. Like Variants for your mechs or the ability to pick your own map or even to group up in teams pick your map pick your variant and drop into a game or to train players. Then you have NO PVE Missions NO nothing from all the old games. And then your going to say to me well its a PVP game or its BETA and ill say back to you hey its year 2013 PGI has all these resources and money and talent and they make a dammm online game that's almost as bad as (MoonBreakers)?another game just like this one with small spaceships rather than mechs. You can learn all that MWO has to offer in 1 day then be bored as hhell for the other 364 days of the year.

[Dimento Graven]

KingCobra, on 29 January 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

This has got to be one of the most idiotic posts in this thread. What PGI has done is strip and clone Mechwarrior4 Mercenaries Multiplayer into MWO and they did not even take the best part of MW4Mercs multiplayer to go along with MWO. Like Variants for your mechs or the ability to pick your own map or even to group up in teams pick your map pick your variant and drop into a game or to train players. Then you have NO PVE Missions NO nothing from all the old games. And then your going to say to me well its a PVP game or its BETA and ill say back to you hey its year 2013 PGI has all these resources and money and talent and they make a dammm online game that's almost as bad as (MoonBreakers)?another game just like this one with small spaceships rather than mechs. You can learn all that MWO has to offer in 1 day then be bored as hhell for the other 364 days of the year.

Well, sounds like you're done with this game, have fun on your next gaming experience where ever you should land...

[Gallowglas]

KingCobra, on 29 January 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

This has got to be one of the most idiotic posts in this thread. What PGI has done is strip and clone Mechwarrior4 Mercenaries Multiplayer into MWO and they did not even take the best part of MW4Mercs multiplayer to go along with MWO. Like Variants for your mechs or the ability to pick your own map or even to group up in teams pick your map pick your variant and drop into a game or to train players. Then you have NO PVE Missions NO nothing from all the old games. And then your going to say to me well its a PVP game or its BETA and ill say back to you hey its year 2013 PGI has all these resources and money and talent and they make a dammm online game that's almost as bad as (MoonBreakers)?another game just like this one with small spaceships rather than mechs. You can learn all that MWO has to offer in 1 day then be bored as hhell for the other 364 days of the year.

/eyeroll

Can we please cut out the theatrics and teen angst drama, please?

[Budor]

Dimento Graven, on 29 January 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

The fact that there is a recalcitrant minority refusing to join...

LOL

[NitroDev]

Wow, I was not aware that this type of thing happened

If only someone would make a thread to detail the injustices that have occured here...

[Joseph Mallan]

Jade Kitsune, on 29 January 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

No

You are a PuG, you are padding for existing units, that is your point of being.

if you don't like it, tough, the devs have told you what you get if you choose to pug.

No No sir. PUGs can be House aligned and therefore NOT padding. You are confusing PUGs for Lone Wolves again.

[Bfvmg]

Centagon, on 29 January 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

I don't understand why people 4+4 sync drop. It's disgusting.

Because its fun, and because 75% of the time, I get to drop against my other team mates.
Also, I like ROFL stomping pugs because it inflates my ego, and helps my low self-esteem. Plus, I am basically a mean, mean person. ROFL stomping actually makes me smile...a little.

Jacmac, on 29 January 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

You are laboring under a misapprehension. 4+4 sync drops are not looking for a fair or unfair fight, they are looking to play together. PGI hasn't made it possible, so they have worked the system to try to make it happen the way they want to play. 8-man matches are a mess due to small maps and ECM. 4-mans are bad because of the mixing of solo players and premades, but they aren't as boring as 8-mans are right now. At least that's how I read it from players in my unit that simply don't want to play anything but 4-mans.

*Clap Clap Clap Clap* applause please...

Dimento Graven, on 29 January 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Yeah in fact I wish it were possible to plan who you're going to compete against. I know in my merc group with all our companies, having company vs. company battles would be awsome!

I pray nightly and mightily that I could control my team drop, and only drop against my Corps or other corps. Would make this thread moot...

KingCobra, on 29 January 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

This has got to be one of the most idiotic posts in this thread.

HEY! I claim the most idiotic post in this thread. Quite trying to steal my thunda!


--The truth is true, and is not changed by disbelief or wishful thinking
--The meds are helping...

[roflplanes]

Dr Killinger, on 29 January 2013 - 04:15 AM, said:

Shouldn't you rather be dropping into 8 mans? I mean, you have enough members, just curious as to why you're still doing 4 mans? I'm actually starting to think that a 4 man in itself is too much of an advantage to pit against a group of puggers.

I agree with OP 100%, and I really hope that matchmaking phase 3 fixes this.

One very simple reason for me personally: 8-man is broken. Since there is no weight class matching, I've dropped with 8-mans consisting of a scout lance and a striker lance only to find that the other team is a nice healthy mix of Atlases and Stalkers... which leaves very nearly zero chance for a fair/fun match.

4-man groups dropping into PUGs get to enjoy weight matching AS WELL as the chance of another 4-man dropping opposite of your team. Therefore, there's really no advantage/disadvantage at all except on the random (and rather unlikely) chance that there isn't a single other 4-man to drop with the other team.

[Bully_Hayes]

I pug probably 50% of the time and I am here to tell ya that there are some excellent ( wish I was one of them but ya can't have every thing )pilots and premade groups in this community. Those folks have paid there dues and worked to be where they are and I will be damned before I attach some rubbish "Pug stomping" tag on them.I agree that match making needs to improve and as anybody who reads these forums knows ELO match making is being tested and we will get it as soon as its ready. No amount of whinny posts are going to speed up the process.

ELO however will not be the silver bullet you folks hope it will be,many of the same issues with lack of teamwork,players wandering off alone and the refusal to use available VOIP such as teamspeak ( until C3 integration is done ) are still going to cost you matches.

[Five oh Five Squat]

Rolling dice does not require skill, coring a 3L with a Gauss does. That's what will turn people away. :effort:
There is a much steeper learning curve for peoe who arent familiar with the game at all.