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[QuantumButler]

PURE BALANCE.

I want to take the ears off but I can't!

Edited by QuantumButler, 08 February 2013 - 05:06 PM.

[jakucha]

Focus fire a single missile box and it'll pop off pretty quick. They can't do much to you beyond 200 or so meters.

QuantumButler, on 08 February 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

PURE BALANCE.

I want to take the ears off but I can't!

Anything is OP against unperceptive opponents. Hell, I killed an Atlas with an LBX10 and large laser on my own because he didn't realize there was an enemy right behind him.

Edited by jakucha, 08 February 2013 - 05:10 PM.

[Darkslicer]

I was originally ok with the A1, but after seeing at least 2 of them loaded up with SRM6s in every match for the past week with the intent to just run up and shotgun a mech from undamaged to dead (or very close to death) in one alpha... I really think something needs to be done about the variant and fast.

People can say "Just shoot the ears off", but it's poor advice when you die in a second when you try to do so with anything but a mech designed for sniping. The A1 pilot just uses cover and waits until someone gets close, then shotguns its prey in a single blast (two in some occasions). Every other mech variant has its strengths and weaknesses, with the A1's only weakness being in the ears which are a death sentence to go after if you're a brawler. It also has a pretty ridiculous torso twist degree and speed, making it difficult for even lights to handle if the catapult pilot knows how to lead the target. Combine these strengths and it's really the only mech variant I'd say needs to be brought down to the level of other mechs. SRM6s are fine by themselves, but 6 of them combined shouldn't be insta-win. It's much worse than the all-LRM boating teams that used to happen before PGI hit them with little nerfs and ECMs.

People complain about the K2 too, but I see no problem with that variant. It seems balanced to me in comparison to a lot of the other mechs.

[MischiefSC]

Why am I never getting rolled by A1s? I admit this is what confuses me. I don't even see it happen. I kill them all the time, all the time. K2s are 10xs the issue for me that A1s are. Unlike the K2 that just needs a moment to line me up the A1 needs to put its full width in view and be within a certain range and me not be presenting my side to him . Even a freaking ATLAS can turn sideways and avoid 1/2 the missiles the shoot. I get a few yellow armor points, maybe an orange one, they I blow his cockpit out or one of his ears off, then he dies trying to run away. I always feel like I'm beating up the funny looking disabled kid.

AC40 cats? Gaussapults? Freaking *deadly*. At range and up close, they only need to see you for a second. They'll put a big freaking hole in you before you finish loading up the data on what mech they are.

A1s? Advance slowly, know what's around you, don't get ambushed. Perhaps it's because I do pilot an atlas. The thing turns like a drunken pig, I have to pay a lot of attention and not blunder into things or I'll get torn apart. Seriously though, A1s are the dead last least of my worries.

If these roflstomps happen all the time though why have I not seen one in the last 100 games? 150?

[Minthos]

It dies when I shoot it with LRMs just like anything else. It doesn't even have ECM.

[Codejack]

Minthos, on 10 February 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

It dies when I shoot it with LRMs just like anything else. It doesn't even have ECM.

Yea, I'm not sure which A1 loadout is supposed to be able to go toe-to-toe with a 3L, but I haven't found it yet. Or rather, SINCE beta.

[Sifright]

Codejack, on 10 February 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Yea, I'm not sure which A1 loadout is supposed to be able to go toe-to-toe with a 3L, but I haven't found it yet. Or rather, SINCE beta.

Hey code the lag shield was popped almost a month ago.

Learn 2 latest patch

[darkfall13]

I find it funny that people complain about the A1 all the time. Its got limited weapons system! And a max range! And it's a heavy so it's not a ninja! Don't let it get close to you in the first place people...

Edited by darkfall13, 10 February 2013 - 02:25 PM.

[Praehotec8]

(Disclaimer: This pilot's preferred mech is the cat A-1. My build is 2X LRM-15, 4X SRm-6)

Splatcats and more generally, the A-1 variant, do not need a hard nerf. The splatcat is a high risk, high reward mech that is highly positional. You need to identify it, and damage it prior to allowing it to dump 36 missles point-blank into your core torso. You don't have to kil it, just give yourself that edge as you close to brawling. It can't respond until 270m, and usually won't fire until under 90m. Someone said that LRMs on their hunchback neuter it. I disagree. Against a lone splatcat, LRMs are great to weaken it (as are any number of other weapon systems...LRMs are my favorite). Sure, I die to them sometimes, but no more than to many other mechs. I've also tried the splatcat, and while it does do a lot of damage, it can get you killed if you aren't careful piloting it, and it wasn't my style.

What we need is more incentive for people to run less one-range builds. I think with larger maps, and larger groups (12vs12), they will need more ammo and be even more situational, and we may see less of them.

[Vassago Rain]

darkfall13, on 10 February 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

I find it funny that people complain about the A1 all the time. Its got limited weapons system! And a max range! And it's a heavy so it's not a ninja! Don't let it get close to you in the first place people...

Only lights can outrun cats. i don't think you understand this.

[xRatas]

Super Mono, on 01 February 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Thread's already filled with people making excuses for the Catapult hoping to divert attention away from the fact that the torso twist on the catapult is completely overpowerd.

I still don't get how the frell it is overpowered?

You keep shouting that, but bring no reasons why. Cat can not hide it's CT or even head by twisting, it can not fire straight behind, it can not hide it's weapons with that. Only thing it gets with twist, is easier targeting of enemies. It has serious weakspots (easily worst ones in game) in exchange, so there is nothing OP in Cat chassis.

Stop being jealous if some mech has single attribute better than in your favourite. And at least stop crying nerf when there really is no need for that.

Buy one, and drive it yourself. Then say if it is best thing since sliced bread or not... And while you're at it, rotate it in mechlab and move cursor over it's head to see where to shoot it from front or side to kill it. I tried srm cat twice before putting in mixed loadout and sold it instantly when I got basics done for it, I hate chasing everyone, I want to make them to come to me...

Edited by xRatas, 10 February 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[Sifright]

xRatas, on 10 February 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

I still don't get how the frell it is overpowered?

You keep shouting that, but bring no reasons why. Cat can not hide it's CT or even head by twisting, it can not fire straight behind, it can not hide it's weapons with that. Only thing it gets with twist, is easier targeting of enemies. It has serious weakspots (easily worst ones in game) in exchange, so there is nothing OP in Cat chassis.

Stop being jealous if some mech has single attribute better than in your favourite. And at least stop crying nerf when there really is no need for that.

Buy one, and drive it yourself. Then say if it is best thing since sliced bread or not... And while you're at it, rotate it in mechlab and move cursor over it's head to see where to shoot it from front or side to kill it.

The A1 is my favourite mech.

Your next argument?

[Omigir]

The A-1 and all catapults have the same problem. All the armor in the world is not enough :\ they are glass jaws and their cockpits are easier to hit then a whole atlas.

If they run all SRMS, its easy, keep range on them. One sneaks up on you? Every one shoot at it. its not made diamonds or anything, they do die.

the problems with A-1's as I see it, is PUGS. Pugs are more likely to shoot their own teammates, then they are to shoot the same target as you.

and A-1 + pugs = slaughter.

Remember kids, look for the SOLID red triangle, hit 'E' or 'R' (which ever you keyed your TARGET ENEMY button too) look at said target, and fire smartly. not randomly, smartly.

[Sifright]

Omigir, on 10 February 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

The A-1 and all catapults have the same problem. All the armor in the world is not enough :\ they are glass jaws and their cockpits are easier to hit then a whole atlas.

If they run all SRMS, its easy, keep range on them. One sneaks up on you? Every one shoot at it. its not made diamonds or anything, they do die.

the problems with A-1's as I see it, is PUGS. Pugs are more likely to shoot their own teammates, then they are to shoot the same target as you.

and A-1 + pugs = slaughter.

Remember kids, look for the SOLID red triangle, hit 'E' or 'R' (which ever you keyed your TARGET ENEMY button too) look at said target, and fire smartly. not randomly, smartly.

I heard that 4 man team premades never get murdered by A1 mechs.

QuantumButler, on 08 February 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

PURE BALANCE.

I want to take the ears off but I can't!

Hey thats my video, thief

[xRatas]

Sifright, on 10 February 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

The A1 is my favourite mech.

Your next argument?

Did you mean to quote someone else, or what this has to do with anything I wrote?

[Omigir]

Sifright, on 10 February 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

I heard that 4 man team premades never get murdered by A1 mechs.

you know how you get around a pre-made? Tactics.. oh wait, this is MW:O not MW:T my bad for recommending 'smart' activity.

[Sifright]

xRatas, on 10 February 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

Did you mean to quote someone else, or what this has to do with anything I wrote?

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Stop being jealous if some mech has single attribute better than in your favourite. And at least stop crying nerf when there really is no need for that.
Buy one, and drive it yourself. Then say if it is best thing since sliced bread or not... And while you're at it, rotate it in mechlab and move cursor over it's head to see where to shoot it from front or side to kill it.

I do drive one, it's my primary mech been 'driving' it since november it's way to good compared to other chasis

Edited by Sifright, 10 February 2013 - 03:02 PM.

[QuantumButler]

Sifright, on 10 February 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

I heard that 4 man team premades never get murdered by A1 mechs.



Hey thats my video, thief

I never claimed it wasn't!

And I told you I was going to use it in these threads, remember.

[Sifright]

QuantumButler, on 10 February 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

I never claimed it wasn't!

And I told you I was going to use it in these threads, remember.

I was being silly, I'm totally fine with you using it

[Codejack]

Sifright, on 10 February 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Hey code the lag shield was popped almost a month ago.

Learn 2 latest patch

What, I'm somehow playing a different patch than you? Neat trick.