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[CyclonerM]

Featherwood, on 30 January 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

Is it a common thing for members of Clan Wolf to speak of themselves in plural? Or you just need help from someone else to call for a trial? Watch your tone and mind your own business or step into the circle and name yourself.

We speak on plural because we are in a RP thread and as such we refer to our Clan as "us".

Not every insult is worth the time and resources wasted in a challenge.

After all, we are supposedly all responsible and mature. Is there any need to bring this "passive aggressiveness" here?

I want to think the best of people. Until they prove me wrong.

Edited by CyclonerM, 31 January 2014 - 06:11 AM.

[Featherwood]

CyclonerM, on 31 January 2014 - 06:11 AM, said:

We speak on plural because we are in a RP thread and as such we refer to our Clan as "us".

Not every insult is worth the time and resources wasted in a challenge.

After all, we are supposedly all responsible and mature. Is there any need to bring this "passive aggressiveness" here?

I want to think the best of people. Until they prove me wrong.

Bleh, another one mixing RP and RL. Yes, you are supposedly responsible and mature, until you prove yourself wrong (or while you keep silent, a posteriori). It is very clear and simple: if you are insulted by harsh reply of mine - speak of it directly, without pathetic attempts for RP, if you are RPing - keep in mind that to mention challenge and shun it at the same time is disgrace (it applies to RL as well, actually). I wonder why so many borderline personalities cling to Clan Wolf, you all are siting on the fence, hence trying to be 'good' within the confines of modern morale and western values, but still pretending to RP a member of warrior caste from fictional universe based on values absolutely different to yours. My, my, those riddles of human mind.

[Molossian Dog]

Why? Because they are Godwin´s Law in Space.

[CyclonerM]

Featherwood, on 31 January 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

Bleh, another one mixing RP and RL. Yes, you are supposedly responsible and mature, until you prove yourself wrong (or while you keep silent, a posteriori). It is very clear and simple: if you are insulted by harsh reply of mine - speak of it directly, without pathetic attempts for RP, if you are RPing - keep in mind that to mention challenge and shun it at the same time is disgrace (it applies to RL as well, actually). I wonder why so many borderline personalities cling to Clan Wolf, you all are siting on the fence, hence trying to be 'good' within the confines of modern morale and western values, but still pretending to RP a member of warrior caste from fictional universe based on values absolutely different to yours. My, my, those riddles of human mind.

A Clan warrior may or may not decide to waste time on a challenge with someone if he feels his honor is intact.

You are correct in pointing out that we sometimes blend RP and RL.. But it cannot be otherwise as long as we are playing a videogame, quiaff?

That said, i do not see enough reason to waste time on a challenge. And the Clans abhore waste, quiaff ?

[Viges]

They kill people for "greater good". Worst type of people.

[Featherwood]

CyclonerM, on 31 January 2014 - 07:15 AM, said:

A Clan warrior may or may not decide to waste time on a challenge with someone if he feels his honor is intact.
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That said, i do not see enough reason to waste time on a challenge. And the Clans abhore waste, quiaff ?

Aff, including waste of breath on saying nonsense.You have shown lack of understanding what a trial is and made me doubt you know what a honor is. Not surprising for Clan Wolf to turn out as den of traitors.
If a true clansman do not see point in confronting or opposing someone or somewhat, he will not rend the air. After words have been spoken, it is his honor at stake to fulfill what he claimed. When some stravag claims it was 'more than enough to warrant a trial of grievance' and does nothing - that is dishonorable, when he refused direct call to step into Circle of Equals - he became dezgra. Nothing more to speak here about.
Featherwood out.

edit: typos

Edited by Featherwood, 31 January 2014 - 09:38 AM.

[pbiggz]

Featherwood, on 31 January 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

Aff, including waste of breath on saying nonsense.You have shown lack of understanding what a trial is and made me doubt you know what a honor is. Not surprising for Clan Wolf to turn out as den of traitors.
If a true clansman do not see point in confronting or opposing someone or somewhat, he will not rend the air. After words have been spoken, it is his honor at stake to fulfill what he claimed. When some stravag claims it was 'more than enough to warrant a trial of grievance' and does nothing - that is dishonorable, when he refused direct call to step into Circle of Equals - he became dezgra. Nothing more to speak here about.
Featherwood out.

edit: typos

You are fully aware of our alignment, but where do you stand? You have not aligned yourself with a clan yet.

[Sky Ferrix]

I think a lot of the hate spurs from how superior the tech is. Luckily that shouldn't be as much of a problem in MWO.

The funny thing is that a lot of the people that like the Clans only seem to like them because of their tech being so much better, rather than liking the aesthetics or lore. I guarantee there are people out there who bought the Masakari pack only because they've heard the chatter about Clans having superior weaponry.

Long story short, it sucks to have your favorite faction crowded with people just looking for "easy button" Mech loadouts.

Edited by Foxx, 31 January 2014 - 10:02 AM.

[CyclonerM]

Foxx, on 31 January 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

I think a lot of the hate spurs from how superior the tech is. Luckily that shouldn't be as much of a problem in MWO.

The funny thing is that a lot of the people that like the Clans only seem to like them because of their tech being so much better, rather than liking the aesthetics or lore. I guarantee there are people out there who bought the Masakari pack only because they've heard the chatter about Clans having superior weaponry.

Long story short, it sucks to have your favorite faction crowded with people just looking for "easy button" Mech loadouts.

Well spoken sir.

[Pariah Devalis]

Foxx, on 31 January 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

I think a lot of the hate spurs from how superior the tech is. Luckily that shouldn't be as much of a problem in MWO.

The funny thing is that a lot of the people that like the Clans only seem to like them because of their tech being so much better, rather than liking the aesthetics or lore. I guarantee there are people out there who bought the Masakari pack only because they've heard the chatter about Clans having superior weaponry.

Long story short, it sucks to have your favorite faction crowded with people just looking for "easy button" Mech loadouts.

Mmhm. I am near positive of that, actually. Too many techbabies and people who want the easy way out. As I said in other threads, I would be fine with the raw damage advantage being toned down on Clan mechs, so long as the flavor of the Clans remains. The problem is what I consider to be the true flavor of the clans may not be what you or anyone else deems it to be. To many, the massive tech advantage is the entirety of the Clans.

To me, I personally think the Clans flavor hinge on the pilots, their sense of personal honor, and their skill - in which case, a true Clan warrior would MacGyver the hell out of a situation if he was forced into a situation that he or she was expected to succeed in, though in as honorable a way as possible given the circumstances. Be that using Inner Sphere technology or something better. The harder the odds for the Clan warrior, the better chance for them to shine, I say.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 31 January 2014 - 10:09 AM.

[Ruhkil]

a side note

after reading some of the debate of how the clan batchall (spelling?) is or is not a sneak attack i felt i had to clarify from what i knew. I may be wrong its been a while since i looked at it.

lets pretend that the clan wolf invasion force of however many galaxies of mechs shows up over a periphery world that only has one lance of medium mechs on it for whatever reason.

seems stupidly unfair to have 2000 mechs hovering above a world with 4 on it.
however the wolves would say "we are clan wolf we issue a challange!!!" the defenders are supposed to say we have 4 mechs and will resist you or whatever. the wolves up on their ships would argue and alpha galaxy commander would say i can take this world with 3 mechs beta galaxy would say i can take this world with 2 mechs!!! and so on and so forth.
it is entirely possible that the 4 inner sphere machines could be facing one timber wolf by the time the clans stop arguing among themselves. Especially when the clans view the IS as vermin not worth of respect they might just send some elementals. the problem happens when the IS guys lie and actually have 16 mechs on the planent take out the one timber wolf and then the rest of clan wolf/jaguar/jade falcon throws a **** fit and throws everything down at them. its a culture clash.

you can call it corny that these space cadets wage war this way but it is *fair* if you follow the rules.
sorry for spelling

[Ruhkil]

so it is almost irrelevant if its a sneak attack or not they will modify their attacking force to whatever the defenders have so it is equal or stacked in the defenders favor. im pretty sure they can even set a date that favors the defense.

[BLOOD WOLF]

from what i know you cant just out right demand a trial of grievance.

[Uncle Totty]

Ruhkil, on 31 January 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

the problem happens when the IS guys lie and actually have 16 mechs on the planent take out the one timber wolf and then the rest of clan wolf/jaguar/jade falcon throws a **** fit and throws everything down at them. its a culture clash.

This is why it helps to have Comstar an insider to tell you what you need to know.

Also: I bid my Timber Wolf A and 11 "spectators".

[Hillslam]

Clan players want OP equipment to get an unfair advantage in game and rationalize ad nauseum to get it.

I hate those types of people.

Also, RL RP gets on my nerves. RPing a "superior" race without being better yourself in RL or in a fair fight also really gets on my nerves.

I hate THOSE types of people.
(I an positive that NONE of these clan tards would ever RP a down and out weakling driving a trashcan.)

You wanna go stroke your ego in a game you bought against AI opponents? Go to town. Do it all day. Do it in your underwear for all I care.

You want to stroke your ego via imbalance against other paying people in solely PvP? And then you're going to "roleplay" being a smug d**k?

I REALLY hate THOSE types of people. (which is frankly all of them)

So yeah thats reason enough.

F**K the clans
F**K clan players

Edited by Hillslam, 31 January 2014 - 12:51 PM.

[Featherwood]

Hillslam, on 31 January 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

...some hysterical mumbling...

Bravo, bravo, surely it was real speech of self-sufficient and grown person who don't want to assert himself at the expense of others. Especially touching how easily you speak on behalf of all clan players and how gently you judge people. I guess you have drawn you knowledge about human kind from your own kin, whenever that, hmm, species could dwell, my condolences to you, it should've been a tough experience for your tender soul.

Edited by Featherwood, 31 January 2014 - 01:43 PM.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

To be perfectly frank, I'm not too impressed with the houses as a whole (yes, even Steiner)- I'm just even less enthused about the Clans.

'We left because we're better than you, so now we're back to shove in your faces how much better than you we think we are and take over.'

Just..... eugh. Not an attitude I would endorse.

The tech discrepancy that may or may not have been introduced just for the sake of selling more miniatures doesn't help.

Honestly, I'd be more inclined to side with certain mercenary outfits or small regions of space than with Clans/InnerSphere (I'm quite fond of the Northwind Highlanders and the Black Watch, in addition to the Skye Marches), but that's not exactly an option right now.

-QKD-CR0

P.S.: The clan design philosophy of 'use all the gun and speed, heat sinks and armor are for losers' is also very much not to my tastes.

Edited by Elli Gujar, 31 January 2014 - 01:38 PM.

[Vermaxx]

I don't dislike the CLANS, I think they were probably the most 'civilized' warfare bent government I've seen in a dystopian sci-fi setting. I dislike the people who are most likely to play them - the typical powergamer frat boy attitude; rather than the rigidly structured, sometimes easily exploitable inflexible figures they were. I mean Jesus, the IS tricked the Clans with stuff like battles in SWAMPS, and Tukayyid (and the peace treaty afterward) were nothing but Goon Squad level trolls.

Unfortunately, there's almost no way to enforce Clan fictional behavior on most players so we're going to get a lot of dickbag players claiming Clan status and acting like Inner Sphere hotshots.

[CyclonerM]

Well today i tried to get to the other side of the map to fight 1vs1 against a warrior of Clan Ghost Bear.. The enemy honorless pugs welcomed me with a wall of fire. No way..

[Pariah Devalis]

Elli Gujar, on 31 January 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

To be perfectly frank, I'm not too impressed with the houses as a whole (yes, even Steiner)- I'm just even less enthused about the Clans.

See, this is one thing I like about the Battletech setting. Short of Victor Ian Steiner-Davion (aka, Napoleon 2.0), there are extremely few goodie two shoes out there. Almost everyone works in shades of gray unless they are specifically made to be the bad guys - in which case, I would argue the writers did a rather sloppy job of it as a relatable bad guy is a more interesting bad guy. Yes, I am looking at you Archon Katrina and Clan Smoke Jaguar, ya lazy excuses for bad guys.

All the Inner Sphere houses are corrupt. All of them have various extreme elements that are in power to greater or lesser degrees. Same holds for the Clans, yet for some inexplicable reason people tend to lump "The Clans" as a single entity and not like they view the houses. Each Clan should be looked at on an individual basis. To do otherwise is a disservice to both the Clans' lore and to the individual who willingly neuters their education of the factions in the universe setting.