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[Serapth]

hammerreborn, on 06 February 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

People will just use the fact that theres a premade when they lose to flame the other team and blame anyone but their own ****** piloting when they do 20 damage.

Way to over generalize there. Typical premade asshattery.

See how that cuts both ways?

I still cant believe people are dismissing the fact premades CAN in fact lead to a massive stomp that doesn't have a damned thing to do with individual skill, even the devs acknowledge that premades have an "unfair advantage".

[Vessiel]

Congzilla, on 06 February 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

The factions right now have absolutely nothing to do with actual player groups.

I know that, but usually people in a clan, on ts, tend to play the same faction; as i wrote before, there are public ts so it's not indicative if there aren't premade on a team.

Bilbo, on 06 February 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Entry order into the match is ping related. It is my hope that the affiliations will soon include Corps/Clan tags. This still wouldn't help to identify the random premades though.

Are you sure? Because in the prematch screen the ping of the players is not in order, if i can understend how to post a pic on this forum without hosting them on an image hosting file (don't know if it is possible) i'll put a screenshot
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1851403

Edited by Vessiel, 06 February 2013 - 08:59 AM.

[hammerreborn]

Serapth, on 06 February 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

Way to over generalize there. Typical premade asshattery.

See how that cuts both ways?

I still cant believe people are dismissing the fact premades CAN in fact lead to a massive stomp that doesn't have a damned thing to do with individual skill, even the devs acknowledge that premades have an "unfair advantage".

Yes, clearly I don't think that premades have advantages. You're absolutely right.

http://mwomercs.com/...made-info-dump/
http://mwomercs.com/...91#entry1672291

Oh wait no, you're an ***** (and that's not over generalizing).

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Are you sure? Because in the prematch screen the ping of the players is not in order, if i can understend how to post a pic on this forum without hosting them on an image hosting file (don't know if it is possible) i'll put a screenshot

I don't think the order has to do with ping, but it definitely has nothing to do with group status. I've never once been grouped up next to my group members.

Edited by hammerreborn, 06 February 2013 - 08:54 AM.

[alVolVloLy]

Vessiel, on 06 February 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

I know that, but usually people in a clan, on ts, tend to play the same faction; as i wrote before, there are public ts so it's not indicative if there aren't premade on a team.



Are you sure? Because in the prematch screen the ping of the players is not in order, if i can understend how to post a pic on this forum without hosting them on an image hosting file (don't know if it is possible) i'll put a screenshot

I don't think that is an indicator of a premade (unless something changed since the patch yesterday)

I have a buddy that I group and drop with on a regular basis who upgraded his computer this past month or so. Before the upgrade, he'd be dead last on the list every drop. After his upgrade, he's never last anymore. I'd typically be in the top 3 names. So, as someone else has said, it's more likely ping/latency related rather than an indication of a premade.

[Vessiel]

hammerreborn, on 06 February 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

I don't think the order has to do with ping, but it definitely has nothing to do with group status. I've never once been grouped up next to my group members.

alVolVloLy, on 06 February 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

I don't think that is an indicator of a premade (unless something changed since the patch yesterday)

I have a buddy that I group and drop with on a regular basis who upgraded his computer this past month or so. Before the upgrade, he'd be dead last on the list every drop. After his upgrade, he's never last anymore. I'd typically be in the top 3 names. So, as someone else has said, it's more likely ping/latency related rather than an indication of a premade.

Bilbo, on 06 February 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

There are other factors. Machine specs being one. The ping just gets the ball rolling faster.

Ok, perfect, now it's sure, i'll see if i can edit old post to change it! Thanks, for the fast replays

Edited by Vessiel, 06 February 2013 - 10:05 AM.

[Bilbo]

Vessiel, on 06 February 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

Are you sure? Because in the prematch screen the ping of the players is not in order, if i can understend how to post a pic on this forum without hosting them on an image hosting file (don't know if it is possible) i'll put a screenshot

There are other factors. Machine specs being one. The ping just gets the ball rolling faster.

[Serapth]

hammerreborn, on 06 February 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

Yes, clearly I don't think that premades have advantages. You're absolutely right.

http://mwomercs.com/...made-info-dump/
http://mwomercs.com/...91#entry1672291

Oh wait no, you're an ***** (and that's not over generalizing).



I don't think the order has to do with ping, but it definitely has nothing to do with group status. I've never once been grouped up next to my group members.

How am I to know your posting history when you apparently have the logical consistency of a slice of year old swiss cheese.

You want to capture information on premade composition, then go on to state that this information is useless. That coupled with your lovely dismissal of pugstomping beign down to lack of skill.

Edited by Serapth, 06 February 2013 - 09:01 AM.

[PurpleNinja]

It's off on purpose, IMHO.

Showing premades will generate a lot of hate.

[Serapth]

PurpleNinja, on 06 February 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

It's off on purpose, IMHO.

Showing premades will generate a lot of hate.

I have to think if it was on it would have two effects.

Many people would see that premades are much less common than they thought.
While others would see that premades are far too common.


In the end, it would come down to the time of day that player plays.

[Gammanoob]

I think this seems like a good idea, why should people be able to hide behind "anonymity" when dropping in a premade?

[Screech]

2 Things are currently happpening in MW:O

• There are more and more pre-mades. People are getting tired of getting stomped and the ones that have decided to stay are joining a 4-man.
  
• Pre-mades on average are getting worse. Getting on voice chat only helps so much.

I think overall this is a good sign for the game and have no issues with it. Now if they would just add a lobby we might be able to make 8 man drops somewhat viable again for the masses.

[Ilwrath]

Gammanoob, on 06 February 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

I think this seems like a good idea, why should people be able to hide behind "anonymity" when dropping in a premade?

Its more about the devs hiding how bad the matchmaker is.

[Bromineberry]

Hillslam, on 06 February 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

I suggest an addition to the End of Round screen that shows who dropped into the match together.

And I'm not suggesting adding it to the Pre-Round screen because I'm betting people would complain or worry about PUGs DC-ing more if they see they're going to get steam rolled.

I logged in just to say: Agreed.

[whiskey tango foxtrot]

MaddMaxx, on 06 February 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

Until last night, I never realized how frigging humungous Clan LWM is! No wonder they win all those PUG games. Dudes! I want in. Just tell me who do I have to brown nose to get an interview?

just curious...who or what is clan LWM...

[hammerreborn]

Serapth, on 06 February 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

How am I to know your posting history when you apparently have the logical consistency of a slice of year old swiss cheese.

You want to capture information on premade composition, then go on to state that this information is useless. That coupled with your lovely dismissal of pugstomping beign down to lack of skill.

Because it is useless. While the data gatherer in me would enjoy having an easier time doing what I do and not have to rely on self-reporting, it doesn't change the fact that all that data is meaningless.

My numbers even proved that having more ECM does nothing for your team except in the case of prevpre (which is more likely a matter of skill of each team that number of ECM) but that will never, ever stop the million ECM is OP and breaking the game threads we get each day.

Showing that less than 20% of mechs are lights right now will never, ever stop the 3Ls are breaking the game, lightwarrior online, and lights are OP threads that appear.

And showing how many premades there are will never, ever, stop the complaining about premades. For some people even one premade is too many. And we all know no one but me and maybe 5 other people in this entire game are actually tabulating how many premades are on each side, so it's still going to be completely subjective. No one will go in 30 games I fought against 19 premades and here's proof! They'll just ***** that 90% of the games are premades even when all the evidence is to the contrary.

Like server population, knowing the status of premades is just a tool for whiners to whine, trolls to flame, and to have about a million naming and shaming threads appear on these forums when a pug beats a 4 man comstar premade or to call that same 4 man an asshat like you did me for having the audacity to want to play with people in a team game.

whiskey tango foxtrot, on 06 February 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

just curious...who or what is clan LWM...

Lone wolf, it was a joke.

Edited by hammerreborn, 06 February 2013 - 09:19 AM.

[DeathofSelf]

hammerreborn, on 06 February 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

Because I know with all the vitrol premades get on the forums already we are just looking forward to getting it in game as well.

You have to admit though, we kind of deserve it considering all our puppy kicking and baby seal clubbing.

[pcunite]

I PUG almost exclusively now. When I lose, I lose hard ... like total complete wipeout. The players on my "team" are very new. The opposing force are circle strafing targeted mechs.

It does not take a rocket scientist to tell you that only puggers want confirmation of what we already know. Namely, 4 mans, who almost never identify themselves, have the easy button firmly pressed. Sadly, when I win ... guess what? A 4man was on my side and the poor saps on the other had little help.

Matchmaker = broken.

[Serapth]

hammerreborn, on 06 February 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

Because it is useless. While the data gatherer in me would enjoy having an easier time doing what I do and not have to rely on self-reporting, it doesn't change the fact that all that data is meaningless.

My numbers even proved that having more ECM does nothing for your team except in the case of prevpre (which is more likely a matter of skill of each team that number of ECM) but that will never, ever stop the million ECM is OP and breaking the game threads we get each day.

Showing that less than 20% of mechs are lights right now will never, ever stop the 3Ls are breaking the game, lightwarrior online, and lights are OP threads that appear.

And showing how many premades there are will never, ever, stop the complaining about premades. For some people even one premade is too many. And we all know no one but me and maybe 5 other people in this entire game are actually tabulating how many premades are on each side, so it's still going to be completely subjective. No one will go in 30 games I fought against 19 premades and here's proof! They'll just ***** that 90% of the games are premades even when all the evidence is to the contrary.

Like server population, knowing the status of premades is just a tool for whiners to whine, trolls to flame, and to have about a million naming and shaming threads appear on these forums when a pug beats a 4 man comstar premade or to call that same 4 man an asshat like you did me for having the audacity to want to play with people in a team game.

It certainly isnt useless, it bares out if there is a problem, or it is in fact a boogieman. If it is showing premades are constantly being put on one side, you know it isnt fair. If it shows that premades have a massively higher win rate, you know it isn't fair. Hell, we already know it isn't fair, PGI said as much.

What most of us would like is to see those premades balanced across teams, as well as an indicator that this happened ( by showing premades ). Feel free to call me an **** for having the audacity of wanting a fair game.

Edited by Serapth, 06 February 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[hammerreborn]

If you want a fair game play Sorry. You will NEVER, EVER get a fair game in MWO. 8v8, hey look the other team is rolling 8 atlases, unfair! 8 lights, unfair! Different skill levels, unfair! They capped me, UNFAIR! They used ECM, UNFAIR!

It's a team game. If you aren't playing as a team it's unfair to the premade you're stuck with that you're so awful that no one wants to be your friend and play with you.

Premades aren't consistently put on one side, and they have a massively higher win rate...BECAUSE THEY WORK AS A TEAM IN A TEAM GAME. I mean holy ****, it's like you people don't understand that having a team in a team game makes you statistically better off than 8 random stooges. Welcome to every team game in the history of ever.

Why show stats for what's logically obvious to anyone with half a brain?

[kalami]

I'd love to see the premades im going against and have no issue identifying myself as a premade to others when I bring friends along; although Ive been pugging a lot more lately to avoid the stomping of pugs all night.

I get my share of kills and I definitely wouldn't mind knowing what premade team I just disrupted. I just never understood why premades often won't identify themselves if asked; obviously you don't have to; but why not?