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#121 TVMA Doc

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

View PostWarrax the Chaos Warrior, on 21 February 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Report suspicious behavior, but be advised that some people are just good at getting head shots. And if you drive a catapult, it was never an aimbot, you have a huge head.

Also, if you drive a catapult try not to face hug the Atlas with the AC/20. I've had more head shots from guys in cats thinking that they can somehow get in close to an Atlas with a 20 and 3 SRM6s. Even the fellow Atlas drivers tend to suffer this fate-unless THEY get me first.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

There is nearly no hackers in this game. I have seen 2 confirmed, and 1 possible. Hacking is not very popular in this game and i hope it stays that way.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:41 PM

View PostMechsniper, on 21 February 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Sooo, for those claiming 0 hackers. Explain this. Singular jump ppc sniper having NOT looked over the horizon comes over just enough to clear guns and ct's you immediately at the begging of a match. You relocate while watching and he pops back up 30 sec later repeating this with you in an entirely different location. Dead in 3-4 salvos. Sometimes one of his buddies, also not having taken a prior peak does the same after you move. Now, said individual(s) is 1)luckiest player in the game( luck happens with a little skill I accept that). as well as a hell of a shot. 2)hacking a 3rd person point of view? or 3) has a wall hack or/and aimbot. This has happened on several occasions. If you don't move and poptarts kill you thats one thing. If you are on the move(not directly at the poptart) with no other spotters, I submit that something is reeking in the trash can. Tell me how you can accomplish this legitimately if not. Maybe I just need to L2P , lol, educate me. High jumpers who miss occasionally but hit mostly are not suspects to me, they are just annoying ;).

I've had this happen in a few games, but I assume that it is most likely an enemy scout that I didn't notice behind me giving the team targeting info. It isn't that difficult to pull off these kind of shots if you have a spotter and are locked onto a target ahead of time. At close range, there isn't that much doubt as to where your mech is within the targeting box.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:36 PM

Hacks are probably as common here as they are on other FPS games. It's the way they're set up that makes the hacks ineffective or not effective enough to make as easily noticed here as much as they would be in CoD or BF.

The "hacks" we're likely to see are:
-forced packet loss or otherwise inflating their ping one way
-modified textures
-a wall hack of some sort

The most common ones we'd see are people doing packet loss or other ping inflation's. If he has sky high ping he's on a crappy connection, on another continent, or downloading something while playing. These people usually miss as much as they get hit, so it really only benefits the 3L or 2D. If he's hard to hit like his ping is outrageous but he's scoring consitent hits and his ping is low, he's controlling the flow of his connection one way. You can do this either via software or hardware. And it still generally only benefits faster mechs, but it does make it so they aren't forced to rely on SSRMs to score hits reliably.

Modified textures are common in all shooters. DoD and BF2 were some of the worst offenders, had a friend that played that make the smoke textures transparent, one sides characters bright red and the other's bright blue, had all objects with a minor transparency to them so he could see through them, and adjusted the textures on terrain to make those colors stand out even more. This wasn't hard to replicate in DoD or BF2 (and I did submit my friend to the developers). So I imagine a bit of work here, and voila, texture hacks.

Wall hacks would require higher level scripting that your common script kiddie couldn't do. Hence the reason people buy the hacks. It's probably a bit more common than aimbots, but still not particularly common. And I doubt there are many users of this anyways, the population is simply too small and the game doesn't offer a reason to hack other than to grief. DoD and BF2 had tournaments that teams competed for, some with cash prizes, so of course people would cheat. Except that most tourneys had the finals in a LAN setting so most teams that hacked their way to the top would drop out with a lameduck excuse or they'd go and get killed by the teams that were just that good.


As far as viability of the first method. I've tested the "torrent a movie" method and it's only good with SSRM/ECM lights. I recorded 10 games with and without. Results without, I died twice in my 3L averaging ~2 kills. Results with, I never went below yellow armor and averaged ~2.5 kills. I did note that hitting with lasers was nigh impossible on anything but heavy and assault mechs though. And the jumping around was nauseating at best.

The contolling the flow one way yielded better results, and my both my router and modem have settings that can be exploited for this, so I never tested another method. I could consitently hit with the lasers on my 3L and the ballistics on my Cents and Dragons, all the while taking negligible damage in return. My Dragon went from being just a heavy striker to being able to brawl and my Cents could solo mechs that should have disintegrated them. I recorded 10 matches each in a DRG-1C, RVN-3L, CN9-AL, CN9-D and contacted PGI.

PGI can't do anything about people doing either that I can think of, but I did submit the data and videos.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:50 PM

Ah poop - it all just sucks.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:04 PM

View PostTVMA Doc, on 28 February 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Also, if you drive a catapult try not to face hug the Atlas with the AC/20. I've had more head shots from guys in cats thinking that they can somehow get in close to an Atlas with a 20 and 3 SRM6s. Even the fellow Atlas drivers tend to suffer this fate-unless THEY get me first.


Hey Doc,

Nobody is talking about hugging an Atlas head shot type stuff. We all know the only headshot stuff that might even come close to aimbot stuff would be the 3D Cataphract guys - but I am confident that most of these are legit - tryed the poptarting and it is not that hard to aim it out at the apex of your jump. I agree with the fella that was talking about lag shield ( running torrents etc... ) and the xray hack. Xray would be immensely valuable in an 8 man drop, only one guys needs to run it.

OK - that's my argument and I'm sticking to it :D

Good hunting.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:16 PM

Having played online games since there was no online I can say that when everyone is saying "there are no hacks" that there definitely are hacks.

One of the worst was GEAR which worked when clients were allowed to tell the server when you hit or not or where you were on the map. People in Australia would be able to hit things with lasers if the game worked this way, however then someone could have their client telling the server they always hit all the time. GEAR changed how the game saw your clock speed which meant you could run all the way across the map and stab the enemy team 30 times each in the first 2 seconds of a match.

MWO does not allow your client to tell the server when you hit things or when you walk to a certain spot. Your client tells the server, by the time the server gets this information it takes it under advisment and sends back what really happened to your client. That's why rubber banding and lagshield can be so bad for people with bad ping. It's one of the worst things about MWO and one of the best.

I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying that aimbots don't work for MWO. Plenty of shooters that work the way MWO does had predictive aiming bots.

Can anyone explain why aimbots don't work well in MWO?

#128 DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:15 PM

View PostIcedOmega13, on 21 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I personally don't think hacking is rampant as some people say but it is becoming more suspicious.

[Redacted] What can be done?


Make an assumption that no one is cheating, and fight your best. Take your losses for what they're worth and try to figure out what you could've done better.

Make the onus on oneself... stop worrying about everyone else.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostPhDGreg, on 21 February 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

On a more hack-related note: There are plenty of possibilities to gain a minor advantage by changing client side files and settings so that things are rendered in a way that gives you an edge. Examples:
  • user.cfg settings that remove the blur/distortion from night and thermal vision
  • texture file replacements to remove various types of noise (largely aesthetic effect)
  • texture file replacements to tweak things such as the night vision colour gradient (largely aesthetic effect)
  • texture file replacements to make mechs stand out


I don't know about you, but to me these things are clearly cheating. The visibility in the alternate view modes is supposed to be more blurry to compensate for the advantage they grant, so removing blur is a bit fishy IMO. Texture file replacements, on the other hand, are such an obvious cheat that we don't even need to discuss this.

#130 TVMA Doc

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostBattlecruiser, on 23 February 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

okay, a few things there champ that I'd like to go over with you.

1. if you suspect someone of cheating, this is slander unless you have irrefutable absolute proof of the deed
2. if you have irrefutable absolute proof of the deed, turn it into the authorities ONLY. In this case that would be the support team. I know we live in the facebook society where everybody thinks its okay to get into the private business of others, but honestly if its a rule breaking situation that's detrimental to you and/or other people then you give it to the rule enforcers so they can do what they're paid to do. Of course "detrimental" is subjective but I like to think in this case it means "endangering others or spoiling fun"
3. in the event information does leak out, make sure you have no connection to it :)
4. Did you see the policy against name and shaming on the forums? that's there for your benefit as much as theirs and the people you have issue with.

You might want to learn the meaning of these terms. It isn't "slander". Slander is the ORAL defamation. Libel is written defamation. This would more likely be libel unless the poster is actually calling people up or speaking face to face about the suspicions.

Also, both terms, to really fit the description, imply some sort of actual harm be done. Just stating that you suspect I'm a cheater really does no harm, so it is more likely just an innocent, but untrue, statement.

You are correct, however, to avoid the drama of name and shame on the forums. I would opine that you don't need "irrefutable" evidence to make a report to PGI, however. The developers have expressed their interest in the players reporting things THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS for even suspected cheating. It is the only way that they can try to keep a lid on cheating in game. That doesn't, however, mean to bring the low level suspicion to the forums.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:34 AM

View PostTVMA Doc, on 01 March 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:


I know its libel, I just don't care.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:38 AM

Too many games have threads like this, "I did a Google search and look what a found!!!"

Yeah, 9 times out of 10 you have found a site to infect you with malware to try to steal your computer for a botnet or your account for whatever game they claim to have an aimbot for.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:57 AM

There here, there among us!

[REDACTED]

The guy that posted a link in the thread i saw has a founders pack :)

Edited by Mason Grimm, 02 March 2013 - 09:48 AM.
Posting link to exploit/hack


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:08 AM

I have yet to see any behaviors I would misconstrue as hacking in this game, what I have seen is plenty of nancy's who go off into full sperg lord meltdown mode because they can't understand how people can make certain fits work. Every time I get accused of hacking by some silly individual I take it as a compliment of the highest order.

When people have said they will report me I invite it, please waste more resources showing how pathetic you guys are.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:29 PM

Hacking is in this game just like it is in any other game...This is undeniable.
The funny thing is that the people saying "there are no hacks in MWO" are the same POS's that will come out and say "good job PGI"(brown nose and all) when bans start occuring, as if they were leading the charge all along. They are mostly fanboy dipshits that never ever have any foresight or deduction skills what-so-ever...hindsight is all they have(yeah I know, ironic that the ample history of online gaming and the prevalent hacks in every single one of them hasn't lead them to the correct conclusion yet...but this goes to their innate obedience to authority which means they have to wait to be told from PGI that people have been hacking and only then does it all click together). I toss them in the same trash can alongside conservatives.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:36 PM

View PostGNAARGH, on 03 March 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Hacking is in this game just like it is in any other game...This is undeniable.
The funny thing is that the people saying "there are no hacks in MWO" are the same POS's that will come out and say "good job PGI"(brown nose and all) when bans start occuring, as if they were leading the charge all along. They are mostly fanboy dipshits that never ever have any foresight or deduction skills what-so-ever...hindsight is all they have(yeah I know, ironic that the ample history of online gaming and the prevalent hacks in every single one of them hasn't lead them to the correct conclusion yet...but this goes to their innate obedience to authority which means they have to wait to be told from PGI that people have been hacking and only then does it all click together). I toss them in the same trash can alongside conservatives.


2 posts ago there was someone providing a link to one of them.

Oh yeah... you "WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!" guys are so much better, actively advertising for them!

Do you guys get a commission for these public service announcements? :D

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 01:55 PM

View PostJestun, on 03 March 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:


2 posts ago there was someone providing a link to one of them.

Oh yeah... you "WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!" guys are so much better, actively advertising for them!

Do you guys get a commission for these public service announcements? :D

Take your knee pads off for awhile and give the PGI boys a break. Everyone has access to google so there is no active advertising going on. The real problem is your denial.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:05 PM

just report them to pgi.

Some people are just good shots mind, we've all had the WTF my raven just kerplodded???? When someone gets a good hit with a ton of ppc's/gauss/ac 20's etc

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostDaisu Saikoro, on 28 February 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:


Make an assumption that no one is cheating, and fight your best. Take your losses for what they're worth and try to figure out what you could've done better.

Make the onus on oneself... stop worrying about everyone else.

Khan DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa


I'd agree in principal but I've seen too many player's ping mysteriously begin to spike as soon as they're in combat. Just come from a game in fact, where at least half the enemy team's ping rates were bouncing between ~80 and ~600 every few seconds.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:20 PM

View PostJestun, on 02 March 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Too many games have threads like this, "I did a Google search and look what a found!!!"

Yeah, 9 times out of 10 you have found a site to infect you with malware to try to steal your computer for a botnet or your account for whatever game they claim to have an aimbot for.


Too many forums have folks who dismiss professional hacking sites as a trojan or virus laden scam.

Some times a company has been in the hack (subscription) model for years and would have been uncovered if it were fraudulent.





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