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[Exoth3rmic]

SI The Joker, on 28 February 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

Yay another thread about seeing elo score.

Scenario:

Player A: "I have an idea for the game.... <inserts idea here>
Player B: "Oh player A, your elo score is only XX... your opinion is invalid!

Player C: Ignores player B, comments on Player A.

Gaming community happy.

[Vizzini]

Ilwrath, on 28 February 2013 - 03:56 AM, said:

We can't we see our own Elo rating? Soon I am going to play some more in this game
and it would be nice to see how I am improving (or not). Stop hiding info from us.
It is getting old and annoying.

What do you think?

I think your poll is designed to skew results. You're a great fit for politics.

[SI The Joker]

Exoth3rmic, on 28 February 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

Player C: Ignores player B, comments on Player A.

Gaming community happy.

On what planet does this occur? Which game touts such a stat-dependent yet friendly environment?

Oh wait... there is none. This is the Internet.

[Josef Nader]

Keep that mess hidden. The last thing we need is some chucklehead thinking his opinion suddenly gains validity because he can dump days into ruthlessly exploiting his 3L in 4 man drops. It does -nothing- but turn the community into a bunch of over-competitive tossers boasting about their ELO and belittling anyone who doesn't invest as much time or ruthlessly exploit the system for cheap wins as much as they do.

[Exoth3rmic]

SI The Joker, on 28 February 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

On what planet does this occur? Which game touts such a stat-dependent yet friendly environment?

Oh wait... there is none. This is the Internet.

Problems. Solutions.

As for "this is the internet" and thus any old person can be mean - it isn't "the" internet - its a MWO community. I don't see that many people solely interested in flower arranging, beetles or the price of fish coming to chat with us and make their points felt. Maybe they're hiding.

[SI The Joker]

Exoth3rmic, on 28 February 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Problems. Solutions.

As for "this is the internet" and thus any old person can be mean - it isn't "the" internet - its a MWO community. I don't see that many people solely interested in flower arranging, beetles or the price of fish coming to chat with us and make their points felt. Maybe they're hiding.

Lol. Back under the bridge with you.

[Texas Merc]

checkbox!

[DaZur]

I've said it once... I'll say it again...

The fragile egos in this community could not handle public Elos number because there is no way in hell they could accept a lower Elo ranked player could defeat them.

It's universal internet law... The size of a players e-peen is directly proportionate to the fragility of their ego.

Edited by DaZur, 28 February 2013 - 08:57 AM.

[Side Step]

DaZur, on 28 February 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

I've said it once... I'll say it again...

The fragile egos in this community could not handle public Elos number because there is no way in hell they could accept a lower Elo ranked player could defeat them.

It's universal internet law... The size of a players e-peen is directly proportionate to the fragility of their ego.

That much seems apparent in this thread.

We don't need Elo scores to be visible to have some kind of broader ranking though.

Here's one simple idea I rather liked:

Edustaja, on 28 February 2013 - 06:36 AM, said:

Instead of a hard number I would be okay with a category.
Maybe percentile based.

Cadet (While cadet bonus is active and Elo is still normalizing the player to his appropriate rank)
Green 20 %
Regular 40 %
Veteran 20 %
Elite 20 %

Ranks can be further differentiated with adding numerals like Green I-IV.

[Xie Belvoule]

If you don't show Elo or at least tiers of ranking its all pointless.

[Ilwrath]

Vizzini, on 28 February 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

I think your poll is designed to skew results. You're a great fit for politics.

People keep saying this so maybe it is something to it. But what?

[Edustaja]

Ilwrath, on 01 March 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

People keep saying this so maybe it is something to it. But what?

It's the qualifying statements after the poll options.

Yes but only for the player
"Yes, Elo score should be visibly but only to the player."

Yes and make it visible to all so they can bask in my glory
Should be "Yes, make Elo score visible to the player and other players too"

No. Information is bad for the players and/or the game.
Should be "No, Elo score should not be displayed to the players"

Edited by Edustaja, 01 March 2013 - 12:51 AM.

[Test Monkey 13]

elo scores cannot be displayed until they get the system working as intended.

once they are working, i would like to know my score so i know how i fare in the grand scheme of things.

until the time where the elo takes won/lost and damage done/base capped makes a product of those numbers it will always be skewed.

i hover around 55% won/loss ratio because i do lone wolf drops. i frequently get many kills per match with hundreds and hundreds of damage posted. this is not fair to the new player who will share similar elo if it is just based on won/loss

i like the idea of helping others learn the game (perhaps a sandbox area to play with no ammo usage or damage able to be taken ***hint-hint dev's***)

[van Uber]

Exoth3rmic, on 28 February 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Problems. Solutions.

As for "this is the internet" and thus any old person can be mean - it isn't "the" internet - its a MWO community. I don't see that many people solely interested in flower arranging, beetles or the price of fish coming to chat with us and make their points felt. Maybe they're hiding.

Do you have a solution to this?



Because this has been unresolved since the infancy of the Internet. If you know something we are unaware of, please don't hesitate to tell us.

Now the above picture is from 2004, but it's still valid and clearly illustrates why an internet community differ from a worldly community and to an extent show us why public Elo would be abused.

Edited by van Uber, 01 March 2013 - 01:08 AM.

[Ilwrath]

Edustaja, on 01 March 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

It's the qualifying statements after the poll options.

Yes but only for the player
"Yes, Elo score should be visibly but only to the player."

Yes and make it visible to all so they can bask in my glory
Should be "Yes, make Elo score visible to the player and other players too"

No. Information is bad for the players and/or the game.
Should be "No, Elo score should not be displayed to the players"

Aha! Its simply about bad English. I'll keep that in mind.

[van Uber]

Ilwrath, on 01 March 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

Aha! Its simply about bad English. I'll keep that in mind.

Not really, you added opinion to the alternatives, whereas he just applied an objective description. I'm just saying this because your english seems fine to me. Then again, I'm not really english...

[Exoth3rmic]

van Uber, on 01 March 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

Now the above picture is from 2004, but it's still valid and clearly illustrates why an internet community differ from a worldly community and to an extent show us why public Elo would be abused.

At the end of the day, we're all still here. If it bothered people that much we wouldn't be.

I was talking about people basing their own reactions to opinions based on other's Elo. Just because someone may have a lower metric doesn't make them incapable of making reasonable points and as such I wouldn't be discounting opinions where they hold merit.

I do not know why you are all still in disagreement on that point unless you are saying you would, in which case it will save me some typing in future.

Edited by Exoth3rmic, 01 March 2013 - 01:17 AM.

[Crawfield]

No, not visible to the public.

If you want a taste of what will happen, check the WoT forums for the "efficiency rating" debate.

There are Pros and Cons, but IMHO the Cons outweigh the Pros by far.

Elo should help you to enjoy the game more, not be a reason getting bashed by some elitists.

Edited by Crawfield, 01 March 2013 - 01:22 AM.

[van Uber]

Exoth3rmic, on 01 March 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

I was talking about people basing their own reactions to opinions based on other's Elo. Just because someone may have a lower metric doesn't make them incapable of making reasonable points and as such I wouldn't be discounting opinions where they hold merit.

Oh I agree with you there. I do not personally care what your statistics are. I care about your arguments.

... but alas, that is not how a quite vocal group on the internet operate. They do care about your statistics and will not even consider your argument, no matter how valid or well founded, if it is not backed by ample statistics.

Have you not experienced this? I do not know of a single community that has public statistics that does not treat it as if it was bottled truth. So even if you can handle public statistics, my firm belief is that most can't and that this game would suffer if it were.

But this is just in the context of a forum, where we can actually deliver arguments. I'd imagine getting a match without dropouts and or endless complaints to be a far more pressing concern. Look no further than to World of Tanks.

[Foogsert]

It's the WoT efficiency rating all over again. I don't really see a need to display a number that corresponds more to how much I decide to run with a 4 man of 3Ls and D-DCs against how much I **** around solo with a Hunchback. I also don't feel a need to encourage even more FotM choices so people can "win" stupid forum arguments with a bigger number.

Edited by Foogsert, 01 March 2013 - 04:20 AM.