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[Teralitha]

Ghogiel, on 28 February 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

Like SSRM2s?
they have hard counters, ECM, AMS, hills, rocks, buildings, bridges etc, and you need LOS and they have a short range. And they only do 5 damage per launcher

(but they still cheese)

Streak boat A1 wasnt nearly the devil it was made out to be. I never used one, and they werent that hard to kill. 6ssrm2 does what.. 30 damage alpha, spread around. Hardly overpowered. The 6SRM A1 is far worse, doing 90 damage alpha.

90..... damage... 1 shot. That is the definition of a cheesebuild.

[Royalewithcheese]

AlexWildeagle, on 28 February 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

Now they've made ecm mostly useless

Yeah, I can tell you for sure that I am terrified of someone hitting my DDC with a PPC and minorly inconveniencing me for 5 seconds.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Wispsy, on 28 February 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Right but you can still walk up to somebody, tag them and 2shot them....AMS=worthlless? I am starting to think your idea of an LRM boat is a catapult...

lrm boat;
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Yeoman
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Longbow
generally:
http://www.sarna.net...oat_BattleMechs

I want a yeoman here lol

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 28 February 2013 - 05:35 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 February 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

What other weapon system has two equipment pieces dedicated to making them useless?
ECM AND AMS

SSRMs

[Teralitha]

Vlad Ward, on 28 February 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

No. I'm talking about the whole "Lance full of D-DCs and Ravens" thing. Stop moaning. You got caught.



Terrible Mech. Put 4 PPCs and a Gauss on an Atlas, do practically the same Alpha damage, run cooler, and have a 0-heat option.

All it means is we were adhereing to the meta to be competive. If you have a problem with that, complain to devs...

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

All it means is we were adhereing to the meta to be competive. If you have a problem with that, complain to devs...

or abuse the **** out of it and get them to change it... like the Lowtaxxers did with knockdowns

http://youtu.be/4K2QF70H2hc

Its just cooincidence that two weeks later they yoinked kds

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 28 February 2013 - 05:38 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Streak boat A1 wasnt nearly the devil it was made out to be. I never used one, and they werent that hard to kill. 6ssrm2 does what.. 30 damage alpha, spread around. Hardly overpowered.

30 damage chained over 3.5sec..That all tracked to the CT shaking the crap out of who ever you were ****** was hilarious.

[Wispsy]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 February 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

lrm boat;
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Yeoman
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Longbow
generally:
http://www.sarna.net...oat_BattleMechs

I want a yeoman here lol

great? both of them practically stock can 2-3 shot a mech in this game...what are you trying to say?

[Teralitha]

Ghogiel, on 28 February 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

30 damage chained over 3.5sec..That all tracked to the CT shaking the crap out of who ever you were ****** was hilarious.

Yea I remember those, and yet, I could win against them. There is no hope to beat a splatcat in your face or behind you...


I believe ECM cloaking to be the real problem, because before ECM good scouting would identify those srms builds a good distance off and allow u to avoid them, or focus them before they could get close enough to hurt you, which is why before ECM, they werent a problem. Thanks to ECM those builds can now remain hidden, and sneak up on you unsuspectedly, and are now a huge problem.

Edited by Teralitha, 28 February 2013 - 05:47 PM.

[Rebas Kradd]

I agree with the OP.

On a related note, the U.S. should stop using those "cheesebuild" F-16's and Bradley tanks. Way too overpowered.

[Ghogiel]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Streak boat A1 wasnt nearly the devil it was made out to be. I never used one, and they werent that hard to kill. 6ssrm2 does what.. 30 damage alpha, spread around. Hardly overpowered. The 6SRM A1 is far worse, doing 90 damage alpha.

90..... damage... 1 shot. That is the definition of a cheesebuild.

Have you put regular SRMs on your 3L raven since they are better than piddle SSRMs.

[Vlad Ward]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

90..... damage... 1 shot. That is the definition of a cheesebuild.

No it's not. You people keep using this word. It does not mean what you think it means.

[Teralitha]

Ghogiel, on 28 February 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Have you put regular SRMs on your 3L raven since they are better than piddle SSRMs.

Should I even bother to answer this? You cant fit 2 SRM6 on a standard raven 3L along with everything else... And why woukld you use SRM2's when SSRM2 is better and FITS. Derp....

[Walk]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Its about ECM, streaks, and cheese, and no knockdowns. (no I didnt say steak and cheese...)


The purity of the game is sullied by these things. Skill? doesnt matter... Tactics? very little...

You are a fool.
I run 6 ML Jenner, 9 ML Hunchback, poptart, and 4 LPL Stalker, and I have well over 3.3 KD and over 60% winrate, while soloing and duoing only. Please tell me how my builds are cheese and how I have no skill.

[Teralitha]

Vlad Ward, on 28 February 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

No it's not. You people keep using this word. It does not mean what you think it means.

The whole point of this topic is that the game overall, isnt about skill anymore. Its used to be... but not anymore. Devs have gotten off track.

[Vlad Ward]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

The whole point of this topic is that the game overall, isnt about skill anymore. Its used to be... but not anymore. Devs have gotten off track.

Yes it is. Put both teams in equally good builds and what determines the outcome? Skill.

For the record,

Cheese: Loading up an 8-man with 8 Spiders and swinging wide around the highway in Frozen City for a base cap

Not Cheese: Using Mechs that are good.

[Teralitha]

AlexWildeagle, on 28 February 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

I'm guessing you haven't played in a while. ECM was a bandaid to take care of the most obvious problem. Now they've made ecm mostly useless and the problem is back in full force. I can once again sit in the rear with the gear and launch salvo after salvo of missiles. I can once again parade around in my completely out of balance mech and rack up points and kills with little risk.
Well that didn't last long, boring chit. Looking for a game that has some challenge to spend my money on. This one is obviously kitties (slang for) are l337.

Keep doing well with LRM's then... ELO will eventually solve this problem for you....

[Ghogiel]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

Should I even bother to answer this? You cant fit 2 SRM6 on a standard raven 3L along with everything else... And why woukld you use SRM2's when SSRM2 is better and FITS. Derp....

No not 2x SRM6s, just 1 instead of the 2x SSRM2s.

[Teralitha]

Vlad Ward, on 28 February 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Yes it is. Put both teams in equally good builds and what determines the outcome? Skill.

For the record,

Cheese: Loading up an 8-man with 8 Spiders and swinging wide around the highway in Frozen City for a base cap

Not Cheese: Using Mechs that are good.

And what is a 'good' build? If your answer is raven 3L, atlas ddc and splatcats......

Every chassis in this game should be viable in competitive play. A good build for a (non ecm)commando should be equally useful to a raven 3L with ecm, with skilll being the deciding factor(its not) and a dragon with a good build should be competitive against other heavies(it isnt..)... and so on and so forth...

[Vlad Ward]

Teralitha, on 28 February 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

And what is a 'good' build? If your answer is raven 3L, atlas ddc and splatcats......

Every chassis in this game should be viable in competitive play. A good build for a (non ecm)commando should be equally useful to a raven 3L with ecm, with skilll being the deciding factor(its not) and a dragon with a good build should be competitive against other heavies(it isnt..)... and so on and so forth...

There are plenty of good builds. But not every build, or even every chassis, can be good. Welcome to video games.