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[Trev Firestorm]

GumbyC2C, on 30 May 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

A better solution BTW would be for PGI to add true integrated VOIP that way the non-grouped pubbers can coordinate just as well as the lance drops with their fancy-schmancy TS or Vent.

So much this, we've been asking for it since CBT and instead they gave us that useless C3 garbage hoping to shut us up...

also lol yes evil groups using fancy 12 year old free programs for voice communication.

[StuffYouFear]

*Laughs at OP*
Yeah I remember killing you a few times in my four man, good times
So what merc corp did you say you were in in CB?

[Vodrin Thales]

saintchuck, on 30 May 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Then Matchmaking is broke. If it were working like this, sync-dropping 2x4s wouldn't be possible unless the opposing team had at least 1 4-man. Sync-dropping 2x4s is possible and does happen.

Sync dropping is lame. 4 mans are not. As someone who does a significant number of drops with 8mans, 4 mans, and solo, I just don't see this as a huge problem. The larger problem is the solo community feeling that it is a huge problem. I've seen several matches where an opposing team was crying about my team rolling them with a synch drop when I was solo dropping and there were only 2 players in voip on our team. The perception is if there are 4 lone wolves/mercs on the other team they must be a pre-made if they were rolled.

If there were enough players playing this game to segregate solo players from any grouped players I would be fine with it. There simply are not enough players playing right now to do this however, so I am fine with the current system.

[Postumus]

Sync dropping is not as big of an issue as people would have you believe. Due to the scarcity of available 8-man teams, and the stale dynamic (all poptart teams, 4x raven 4x DDC teams etc), me and my teammates often just play 4-man teams, and when we do, we often attempt to synch drop. In recent patches, synch dropping two 4-man teams has become very hard to do, either missing the same match entirely, or just dropping on opposing teams. Out of an hour of matches trying to synch drop, we might end up on the same team once or twice.

[Panzerman03]

Postumus, on 30 May 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Sync dropping is not as big of an issue as people would have you believe. Due to the scarcity of available 8-man teams, and the stale dynamic (all poptart teams, 4x raven 4x DDC teams etc), me and my teammates often just play 4-man teams, and when we do, we often attempt to synch drop. In recent patches, synch dropping two 4-man teams has become very hard to do, either missing the same match entirely, or just dropping on opposing teams. Out of an hour of matches trying to synch drop, we might end up on the same team once or twice.

OP is a childish whiner, but you and your buddies are dirtbag scrubs if you're intentionally trying to sync into the pubbie queue.

Edited by Panzerman03, 30 May 2013 - 09:28 PM.

[Und3rSc0re]

It will get better with 12v12 i promise, hopefully. It is just easier to carry when half the team is premade.

[Tice Daurus]

Cry me a river OP. Your tears are delicious.

[PropagandaWar]

MaddMaxx, on 24 May 2013 - 06:13 AM, said:

Which one can't the enemy use? Tactics or Communications?

They cant use either because that would require effort.

[blinkin]

PropagandaWar, on 30 May 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

They cant use either because that would require effort.

everyone must form up nice neat lines and play this civil war simulator properly!

[Karl Streiger]

Svalfangr, on 23 May 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

Seems like every other thread one of you or a stiener is crying about how something isnt fair.

Ah the explanation why I'm crying a lot ... something of both.

However with a better command interface the advantage of communication wouldn't be of concern.
I even denied the simlar topics in the past (till ECM screwed anything up)
even commanded PUG only fights and beat other teams - but it is highly necessary to have a TEAM and to have the chance ot input commands fast - like target designation and position... not possible with ECM believe me i have tried.

So again there is now a obvious advantage for premade players thx to communication. To reflect that maybe they should automatically have a virtual higher ELO (and still nobody knows that it is there and how it works, maybe it is still a myth)

[Ghogiel]

Panzerman03, on 30 May 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

OP is a childish whiner, but you and your buddies are dirtbag scrubs if you're intentionally trying to sync into the pubbie queue.

If Elo says 2 teams go on the same team, then it's a legit match up.

[DeaconW]

Ghogiel, on 31 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

If Elo says 2 teams go on the same team, then it's a legit match up.

You are funny. Whats wrong...afraid to drop in the 8-man que? BTW, your statement assumes ELO is "legit"and takes into account all relevant factors. Hint: it doesn't. Your statement is like saying a Pro Football team playing a street pickup football team is a "legit matchup". Sync-dropping 2x4 man is an exploit, plain and simple and you endorsing it simply reveals something about you and the apparent fragility of your ego. The bottom line is that there should be a solo-only que and a team que. I say this as a player who drops solo, 4-man, and 8-man regularly.

[Joseph Mallan]

saintchuck, on 30 May 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Then Matchmaking is broke. If it were working like this, sync-dropping 2x4s wouldn't be possible unless the opposing team had at least 1 4-man. Sync-dropping 2x4s is possible and does happen.

Its true. The Law could easily sync drop an 8 man team ...once a month!

[Syllogy]

More often than not, two groups of 4-man teams that sync-drop end up on opposite teams. Your argument is invalid.

[zraven7]

blinkin, on 30 May 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

everyone must form up nice neat lines and play this civil war simulator properly!

...

Anyone else think that Napoleonic-style mech combat would be kinda awesome to watch?

[BlackJackRaider]

Does anyone still remember Closed Beta MM? That was an absolute nightmare--I solo queued through most of it before joining a unit. Approximately 30% of my matches were as a solo player against a merc corps 8-man. That was a serious problem, the current 4 man teams really are not. Yes, I'm in a merc corps, yes I do quite a few 4 man group drops. I also do about 30-40% solo drops, and I don't really see a problem in facing groups as a solo player. Since the first few weeks of ELO, the MM has improved greatly and matches seem much closer than before, so that must mean the MM is doing something right.

Now if they could just get it to balance weight a little better....

[Ngamok]

In every shooter game I've played since MoH:AA / CS 1.5 on, I've always ran with the group rather than going out alone. because alone, I know the group is out there and ready to kill me. In my group, I know we can all shoot at the same targets when they pop up. Team game. Tekken on the other hand is a 1v1 game if you want to go solo.

[Ghogiel]

DeaconW, on 31 May 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

You are funny. Whats wrong...afraid to drop in the 8-man que? BTW, your statement assumes ELO is "legit"and takes into account all relevant factors. Hint: it doesn't. Your statement is like saying a Pro Football team playing a street pickup football team is a "legit matchup". Sync-dropping 2x4 man is an exploit, plain and simple and you endorsing it simply reveals something about you and the apparent fragility of your ego. The bottom line is that there should be a solo-only que and a team que. I say this as a player who drops solo, 4-man, and 8-man regularly.

Strawman is made of straw.

The bottom line is Elo exists, therefore you are wrong.

[Xeno Phalcon]

I mostly see fourman jaggers but yesterday I saw a fourman Ilya muromets, was pretty funny.

[ove bababoke]

So many units over there... get your own premade, dude!