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[Jamal Konenakki]

Bads like OP should uninstall and get out.

[Tatula]

Mystere, on 29 July 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

I suspect it will depend on who the two random players are.

But in any case, I expect a handshake to still be exchanged between the players ... unless one of those in the losing team is John McEnroe.

Nah! John only gets mad at the refs.

[Mystere]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Try Witcher 2. I have player RPGs for 30+ years on console... Witcher 2 at the end f the Training portion rated me NOOB. I never lost to "the 1st boss" so many times... ever. Great game, I just can't get good at it for about a week.

Have you tried Dark Souls? Now that's a hell of a hard game as far as I am concerned.

[Joseph Mallan]

Jamal Konenakki, on 29 July 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Bads like OP should uninstall and get out.

Nope. They should just be patient and take solace in having a kill or two in a game win or lose. Its what I worry about when I PUG.

[Screech]

PropagandaWar, on 29 July 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

You want a Basturd of a game to learn well 2 actually. A-10 and Kings Crusader 2. Good luck learning those in a week.

Crusader Kings 2 I didn't find too bad, though I did need to look up some feudal terms to get the succession lines right. But A-10 has to be the hardest game ever made. I really think calling it a game is a misnomer. I have never played it but I did watch this video and laughed my *** off.

[PropagandaWar]

Mystere, on 29 July 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Have you tried Dark Souls? Now that's a hell of a hard game as far as I am concerned.

Dark Souls is a BYatch x20. I did Witcher to which also rated me newb even though I selected a harder mode. The learning curve wasnt high. The games just a PIA. Both are excellent though.

Screech, on 29 July 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Crusader Kings 2 I didn't find too bad, though I did need to look up some feudal terms to get the succession lines right. But A-10 has to be the hardest game ever made. I really think calling it a game is a misnomer. I have never played it but I did watch this video and laughed my *** off.

Crusader I opened up went WOOT to the Micro Management. Then I started klicky clicking around and went ok time for You tube. The only other time I ever did that was for a board game called descent and thats because I didnt feel like reading the rules lol.

[Tsenado]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

You are new. You should get your butt kicked until you learn how to play the game. That is the cold hard facts. Now to lessen your time till you can stand on your own, Join a team. There are lots of Sigs showing off team banners, Myself included. Read their posts, see who you like the most and request joining them.

I totally sucked my first month (6 weeks actually). I didn't complain cause I knew I would suck till I learned how to control my Mech. I joined Murphy's and played along side the guys for months. Recently I started dropping PUG in three Alt accounts a few months ago. I did it to see how Elo affected my win/loss. Funny thing happened. It didn't. I lose as often as I win and I get rolled the same amount also.

Don't blame teams for losing due to inexperience. Good PUGs can roll you just as easy as Teams. or loss happened to a team that had an even amount of damage right down the board. No shining stars. *shrug*

Unfortunately this happens to people that's been playing since... forever.

Not everyone wants to, chose to or can afford to (time limit for example) have a team, you can force people to team sure, some people enjoy forcing into doing things (can't common on that) but the majority of the people don't.

Most of us here aren't blaming players, not everyone is an expert. But the very mechanics of queuing with major spiking in ELO, and "forcing" into part of a premade. Of course premades won't see the problem here because this is mostly favorable for them, especially the elite premade teams.

How about getting massacred by a team of premade (4) because this person was tagged. "well you have a premade", sure they are off somewhere doing their own thing while there is very little time to communicate with typing. These games ends very quick, either the PUGer get massacred or won the game in blazing speed without hitting much of anything (this is actually worse cause this boost their ELO), this sure sounds fun for someone just want to queue for a random game.

Edited by Tsenado, 29 July 2013 - 02:03 PM.

[KuruptU4Fun]

Tsenado, on 29 July 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Unfortunately this happens to people that's been playing since... forever.

Not everyone wants to, chose to or can afford to (time limit for example) have a team, you can force people to team sure, some people enjoy forcing into doing things (can't common on that) but the majority of the people don't.

Most of us here aren't blaming players, not everyone is an expert. But the very mechanics of queuing with major spiking in ELO, and "forcing" into part of a premade. Of course premades won't see the problem here because this is mostly favorable for them, especially the elite premade teams.

How about getting massacred by a team of premade (4) because this person was tagged. "well you have a premade", sure they are off somewhere doing their own thing while there is very time to communicate with typing. These games ends very quick, either the PUGer get massacred or won the game in blazing speed without hitting much of anything (this is actually worse cause this boost their ELO), this sure sounds fun for someone just want to queue for a random game.

It's obviously not required that you join a team at all. But finding the resources in the new player forum like the TS servers gives people a wealth of information and advice on how to play.

If you go into a game without reading anything then you honestly need to expect to get stomped. If you read some stuff before going in, then you stand a better chance. If you talk to some people and get some additional pointers then you will definitely come out ahead. Playing around in the Training Grounds will certainly help even more before going into a match.

In summary, depending on how much you care to learn before you play a match, you can certainly guess how much you can expect to get your *** handed to you.

Edited by KuruptU4Fun, 29 July 2013 - 02:19 PM.

[Hellcat420]

Jamal Konenakki, on 29 July 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Bads like OP should uninstall and get out.

people like you should uninstall and get out. people like the op need to practice and learn the game so they can improve.

[Joseph Mallan]

Tsenado, on 29 July 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Unfortunately this happens to people that's been playing since... forever.

Not everyone wants to, chose to or can afford to (time limit for example) have a team, you can force people to team sure, some people enjoy forcing into doing things (can't common on that) but the majority of the people don't.

Most of us here aren't blaming players, not everyone is an expert. But the very mechanics of queuing with major spiking in ELO, and "forcing" into part of a premade. Of course premades won't see the problem here because this is mostly favorable for them, especially the elite premade teams.

How about getting massacred by a team of premade (4) because this person was tagged. "well you have a premade", sure they are off somewhere doing their own thing while there is very little time to communicate with typing. These games ends very quick, either the PUGer get massacred or won the game in blazing speed without hitting much of anything (this is actually worse cause this boost their ELO), this sure sounds fun for someone just want to queue for a random game.

I have had fun the last few months playing PUG... Or at least as much fun as I can playing the same drops without a purpose game as I have for about a year. Now unless Every single drop is an 8-0 Romp, then the game is working as intended. I ave't seen more than 3-4 games in a row like this in the months I have been PUGging.

And I still have 750+ losses to go before I hit .500.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 29 July 2013 - 02:24 PM.

[DeadlyNerd]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

I haven't been on the open comms (TS) In a while, but you on't have t join a team to be able to talk to your team. You do get better results if you do though. Cause Comms are a weapon too.

Yeah, but a player shouldn't be forced to find a guild/clan/merc corp or whatev, or even use the public TS, to actually have fun in a game.

[Tsenado]

KuruptU4Fun, on 29 July 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

If you go into a game without reading anything then you honestly need to expect to get stomped. If you read some stuff before going in, then you stand a better chance. If you talk to some people and get some additional pointers then you will definitely come out ahead. Playing around in the Training Grounds will certainly help even more before going into a match.

In summary, depending on how much you care to learn before you play a match, you can certainly guess how much you can expect to get your *** handed to you.

OP obviously played enough games to notice the problem we PUGs are all facing. regardless of his skill, he have an ELO of his rank. Which, leads back to my last post.

[Tsenado]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

I have had fun the last few months playing PUG... Or at least as much fun as I can playing the same drops without a purpose game as I have for about a year. Now unless Every single drop is an 8-0 Romp, then the game is working as intended. I ave't seen more than 3-4 games in a row like this in the months I have been PUGging.

And I still have 750+ losses to go before I hit .500.

This happens too often for my liking, I can't speak for anyone, but easily 1/5 of my games are in a higher ELO queue, the roflstomp type of queue.

[Joseph Mallan]

DeadlyNerd, on 29 July 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Yeah, but a player shouldn't be forced to find a guild/clan/merc corp or whatev, or even use the public TS, to actually have fun in a game.

Again 3-4 months of playing the game in silence (No speakers outside of my Headphones) and I have been having a fairly good time. I'm just bored cause even with the Law, it is the same game of no real winning for the last year. The only reason I am still playing is eventually CW will come and hopefully some real reason to drop out side of smashing my opponents. Which doesn't happen anywhere near enough as far as I am concerned . I just don't expect much from a team that plays without communicating.

Tsenado, on 29 July 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

This happens too often for my liking, I can't speak for anyone, but easily 1/5 of my games are in a higher ELO queue, the roflstomp type of queue.

So you get stomped 1 in 5 games and are complaining? If you are winning 2.5 of 5 games you are playing at a .500 average or right at your Elo.

[PropagandaWar]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

I have had fun the last few months playing PUG... Or at least as much fun as I can playing the same drops without a purpose game as I have for about a year. Now unless Every single drop is an 8-0 Romp, then the game is working as intended. I ave't seen more than 3-4 games in a row like this in the months I have been PUGging.

And I still have 750+ losses to go before I hit .500.

Tsenado, on 29 July 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

OP obviously played enough games to notice the problem we PUGs are all facing. regardless of his skill, he have an ELO of his rank. Which, leads back to my last post.

See I just don't understand. I do fine pugging. It may be that I have been playing this game for a year. May be a certain skill level or just my builds in general I don't know. I also don't get flustered losing a few games in a row it just happens. All I know is pugging to me isn't that bad.

[Tsenado]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

So you get stomped 1 in 5 games and are complaining? If you are winning 2.5 of 5 games you are playing at a .500 average or right at your Elo.

lol I don't always get stomped in the higher ELO queues, it is also not the point I was trying to make.

PropagandaWar, on 29 July 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

See I just don't understand. I do fine pugging. It may be that I have been playing this game for a year. May be a certain skill level or just my builds in general I don't know. I also don't get flustered losing a few games in a row it just happens. All I know is pugging to me isn't that bad.

I rate myself in the middle range (this is all a guess, there is no data to look at), which I see all ranks of ELO queues, I have seen high end elite players, as well as the new players that ask basic questions when we launch the game.

If you PUG enough, you'll eventually run into or catch up to it, and all the sudden you'll notice the massive differences of skill level from one queue to next queue.

Edited by Tsenado, 29 July 2013 - 02:49 PM.

[PropagandaWar]

Tsenado, on 29 July 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

This happens too often for my liking, I can't speak for anyone, but easily 1/5 of my games are in a higher ELO queue, the roflstomp type of queue.

Wait really DaFuk. Then you are in premade boogyman land. That's better than with some of the pres I play with hell most. What you want to be God? Not gonna happen but 1/5 your losing isn't bad at all. Its not hard to get stomped even playing two mades. A bad call or decision can easily turn the battle against you easily. Happens all the time. COMP players are the ones that do whatever they can to win usually. Exploits syncs etc., etc. Me I play for fun and run a medium the majority of the time at that. When I get in superior serious mode yeah my game goes way up but that happens what. Oh never lol.

[DeadlyNerd]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 July 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Again 3-4 months of playing the game in silence (No speakers outside of my Headphones) and I have been having a fairly good time. I'm just bored cause even with the Law, it is the same game of no real winning for the last year. The only reason I am still playing is eventually CW will come and hopefully some real reason to drop out side of smashing my opponents. Which doesn't happen anywhere near enough as far as I am concerned . I just don't expect much from a team that plays without communicating.

Thing is, new players don't have the luxury us veterans do, that is, actual knowledge of how everything works. When you pit these newbies against stomping premades, you can guess who isn't going to have a good time (insert southpark meme).
Teamplay or not, the game has a legitimate deathmatch mode(capping is just a weak excuse), so actually allowing teams in there is breaking the basic rule.
I don't disagree with you, but am just pointing out why so many people are whining about this PuG v Premade thing.

[Hellcat420]

DeadlyNerd, on 29 July 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Yeah, but a player shouldn't be forced to find a guild/clan/merc corp or whatev, or even use the public TS, to actually have fun in a game.

nobody is forced to join a clan or ts. if winning is the only way you have fun you should stick to single player games, cause teamwork based games like this are obviously not for you.

[Tsenado]

PropagandaWar, on 29 July 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Wait really DaFuk. Then you are in premade boogyman land. That's better than with some of the pres I play with hell most. What you want to be God? Not gonna happen but 1/5 your losing isn't bad at all. Its not hard to get stomped even playing two mades. A bad call or decision can easily turn the battle against you easily. Happens all the time. COMP players are the ones that do whatever they can to win usually. Exploits syncs etc., etc. Me I play for fun and run a medium the majority of the time at that. When I get in superior serious mode yeah my game goes way up but that happens what. Oh never lol.

It's the skill level of the queues I am trying to get at, not the win/lose (however, it leads to it). And no, 1/5 of my higher ELO games doesn't always get myself stomped, I could be on the team that's stomping the weaker ELO team.