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[Mavqie]

i for one think i will be logging into play now
even with the issues (which do not bother me too much anyway) its still the only game i really enjoy and find a challenge


for the ones who keep saying they are no longer playing blah blah see you all later when you log on as you probably do everyday after your forum rages

[Chronojam]

Ngamok, on 21 August 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Then by all means continue to QQ. Played last night, 3PV is a joke. I know where people are using it. If you think 3PV is cheating, what do you think of UAV? Because UAV let's me rain LRMs on you and I can target each and everyone one of you that is underneath it wondering how I am doing it. And it lasts for like 45s.

Had fun last night with people using 3PV. Pretty much rolled up on them with friends and klilled them since I knew where they were. Then got into Seismic range and knew how many. Complain about 3PV more, it's not game breaking.

I think a limited range, counterable/shootable, toggleable, unlocked-bought-equipped consumable gadget like the UAV is pretty neat.

You are being amazingly dishonest if you are trying to sincerely compare seismic/uav to the third person view. You're either being intentionally deceptive, or are what is known as a "useful idiot" because you cannot comprehend the ramifications of third person view. You will surely be cited in a twitter post as evidence that "Founders don't see any advantage to third person!" and the rest of us will mourn.

Rhinehardt Ritter, on 21 August 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

Dude. Have you Played mw4? The jumpsniping here is not even close to what that was like.

I dont even lime 3pv. But i haven't seen a good argument yet. I will try it. But I assume you have since you bring it up. Does the cursor shake in 3pv?

Dude. Have you just now activated your founder's account? The jumpsniping half a year ago was not even close to what it is like now. Why are you okay with jumpsniping returning with a vengeance when it was very niche and hardly dominant? Did you start to miss it, and are glad PGI pulled a 180 and brought it back?

[Deathsiege]

Mavqie, on 21 August 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

ahhh another day on the mwo forum....

No doubt. QQ level pro. F4 bro. Deal with it.

[Ngamok]

DCM Zeus, on 21 August 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

That is the convo I pulled at the time.

It's even worse than what I pulled.

https://twitter.com/russ_bullock

Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock 10h
Anyone want to play a few matches at around 1am pacific? I'll play in 1PV the whole time.

Then add in the conversation you posted. He asks people to play with him but instead you get snarky remarks from people about uninstalling the game literraly baiting him. I would remark back the same way Russ did if that's is what you are going to troll on my tweet account with.

Edited by Ngamok, 21 August 2013 - 10:12 AM.

[iHover]

Ngamok, on 21 August 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

Because he has been debating it with several other people via tweets and such since yesterday I assume. And like I said, where is the bait part of the tweet because he started with the Can't Uninstalled game part.

Good the lying SOB should get flamed every time he opens his mouth.

Edited by iHover, 21 August 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[warner2]

DCM Zeus, on 21 August 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

It just makes me SICK!

Indeed. That article is more of a wish list that has little basis in reality.

[Mystere]

RapierE01, on 21 August 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

Give 3pv only during the first 25 Matches and its okay

Seamlessly integrating it as a core component of Information Warfare might even be better.

Lord Perversor, on 21 August 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Well they Listen and added a whole 2 sec transition between views so ppl can't switch back every half second like testservers

That's a start. But seriously, they can do better.

[Mavqie]

thats his personal twitter btw so he can say what he wants.

use the mwo twitter if you want semi logical answers

[Elbola Ierocis]

Ngamok, on 21 August 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock 10h
Anyone want to play a few matches at around 1am pacific? I'll play in 1PV the whole time.

Then add in the conversation you posted. He asks people to play with him but instead you get snarky remarks from people about uninstalling the game literraly baiting him. I would remark back the same way Russ did if that's is what you are going to troll on my tweet account with.

Problem is, staff do not get to be "snarky". When one acts unprofessional and represents a company/business online, they tarnish all their employees and their brand by anything they say. Applys to all business. Why retail jobs really suck. Customer is always right no matter how dumb they are. You just have to grin, bare it, and continue on. Any other company that has such PR snafu usually sack responsible screw ups and appologise stating the opinion expressed on "whoever twitterfeed" is not the opinion of the company. Usually.

[Chronojam]

Mavqie, on 21 August 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

thats his personal twitter btw so he can say what he wants.

use the mwo twitter if you want semi logical answers

When you're the head of a company, you don't really get to switch that "off" before posting. Even if you want to, you will be cited as "Company CEO Yournamehere."

[Mechteric]

I think I'm nearly as irritated by the useless boring endless banter by closed minds as Russ. I just need to will myself to stop reading the forum.... hard to do when there's so many wrong people!

[James Montana]

Lesson learned: I will never pay to be part of a 'Closed Beta' again.

[Mystere]

Ngamok, on 21 August 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

I sent in a PM telling them MGs were a bit too much after playing my CDA-3C with 4 of them. I hope people liked their legs shredded by me.

Then I pin the blame on you for the MG nerf.

[LordVanquish]

I've been playing this game since founder's BETA, I have also spent around $200 on this game (way too much IMO).

Here are my opinions/concerns on 3PV:
-3PV does not affect balance much in in PUGs. It may help individuals from time to time (those who are smart enough to use it before popping out of cover), but not the team as a whole usually.

-3PV totally changes team vs team dynamics. Totally throws off the risk/reward balance for flanking and "creative maneuvering." I play on Brawling teams most of the time, and have had pretty good success because we were able to outflank/get close to the other team. Now it will be MUCH harder to do so undetected. It will make the game gravitate to camping poptarts EVEN MORE.

-People say "I haven't seen people use it." Well, what do you expect? If they are decent pilots at all, they will not use 3PV the majority of the time. they only pop it when they need to look around a corner or over terrain. This makes it WORSE than if they were forced into one view or the other. They can have the best of both worlds with no disadvantages.

-3PV helps new players MARGINALLY. They can't see their legs the majority of the time, they can't see their minimap (which actually holds their pilot progression back more than 3PV helps them). New players will have a hard enough time piloting in 1 mode, much less switching back and forth.

-3PV will help experienced players MUCH MORE than they will new players. They don't need to expose themselves to look around or scout. It helps those damn poptart snipers the most, and that's what's most annoying.

-It proves that there is a huge chasm between developers, their promises, what the community wants, and what has been delivered. While money is not exactly tight for me, I am really considering cancelling my Phoenix Overlord package just to show them my dissatisfaction with the direction the game is taking.

Edited by LordVanquish, 21 August 2013 - 10:39 AM.

[James Montana]

To: Mr.Newman

I do not know you, nor do I care to, but let me offer a piece of advice: Under no circumstances do you ever get snarky with your paying customer base. Especially the dedicated faction of that base.

[Flying Judgement]

i really liked the machine guns they were awesome spiders and cicadas were scary so i learned how to shoot them down fast.
and highly useful after finished opening one of the tin cans i just left them to the bugs to eat it all

[Zeus X]

James Montana, on 21 August 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

To: Mr.Newman

I do not know you, nor do I care to, but let me offer a piece of advice: Under no circumstances do you ever get snarky with your paying customer base. Especially the dedicated faction of that base.

Don't forget this snarky little sh|t.

https://twitter.com/russ_bullock

[HammerSwarm]

Grand..they've relocated all 3pv threads to the patch feedback forum burried under a page of stickies. Because this is a patch issue, not a game balance, or meta game issue, and we might not want to suggest a new feature or anything.

[Mystere]

Chronojam, on 21 August 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

When you're the head of a company, you don't really get to switch that "off" before posting. Even if you want to, you will be cited as "Company CEO Yournamehere."

Man, I really miss Steve Jobs.

[Dan Nashe]

I agree there's a communication issue. They need to stop making promises ("this will Never happen"). That's just staff education or letting sales people talk :-). If they uad said "at this time, it is our intent that you will never have to play against". They would have solved the issue.

Unfortunately, I fear they'll just stop talking. Which is why they didn't tell us about 3pvs specific implementation until patch day... (I.e. no split queue). Although they did say something about community warfare, so they probably implied the normal queue would not be split, but playes didn't understand.

Anyways, honestly the evolution and development of 3pv made perfect sense and was standard development. That's why I am not too worked up. I think they have meant everything they've said (thus they have never LIED since a lie requires intent). They just made the mistake of phrasing things as promises when they should have phrased them as intent.

But hey, unlike fraud (lies), breach of contract (broken promises) doesn't have an ethical component at law. :-).

I agree there's a communication issue. They need to stop making promises ("this will Never happen"). That's just staff education or letting sales people talk :-). If they uad said "at this time, it is our intent that you will never have to play against". They would have solved the issue.

Unfortunately, I fear they'll just stop talking. Which is why they didn't tell us about 3pvs specific implementation until patch day... (I.e. no split queue). Although they did say something about community warfare, so they probably implied the normal queue would not be split, but playes didn't understand.

Anyways, honestly the evolution and development of 3pv made perfect sense and was standard development. That's why I am not too worked up. I think they have meant everything they've said (thus they have never LIED since a lie requires intent). They just made the mistake of phrasing things as promises when they should have phrased them as intent.

But hey, unlike fraud (lies), breach of contract (broken promises) doesn't have an ethical component at law. :-).

I agree there's a communication issue. They need to stop making promises ("this will Never happen"). That's just staff education or letting sales people talk :-). If they uad said "at this time, it is our intent that you will never have to play against". They would have solved the issue.

Unfortunately, I fear they'll just stop talking. Which is why they didn't tell us about 3pvs specific implementation until patch day... (I.e. no split queue). Although they did say something about community warfare, so they probably implied the normal queue would not be split, but playes didn't understand.

Anyways, honestly the evolution and development of 3pv made perfect sense and was standard development. That's why I am not too worked up. I think they have meant everything they've said (thus they have never LIED since a lie requires intent). They just made the mistake of phrasing things as promises when they should have phrased them as intent.

But hey, unlike fraud (lies), breach of contract (broken promises) doesn't have an ethical component at law. :-).