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[Chavette]

Sybreed, on 28 August 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Basically, your whole definition of "core" group for MWO is dependent on the possibility to have in-game VOIP or not.

No, my definition isn't that.

This post just shows how far you are from understanding what I wrote, considering this, I think we should end our discussion right now...

[Caballo]

THIS-IS-WHAT-THE-COMMUNITY-SAID

[Abivard]

A little more uptodate...

http://www.youtube.c...d&v=R48ioNgOwMs

Edited by Abivard, 28 August 2013 - 03:37 PM.

[Sybreed]

Chavette, on 28 August 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

No, my definition isn't that.

This post just shows how far you are from understanding what I wrote, considering this, I think we should end our discussion right now...

the fact that you can't explain your point in a way that is making more sense proves it never made sense to begin with. Or that you don't care enough to explain it... which is kind of ironic if you consider yourself part of the "core" group.

[Thoummim]

I don't like the idea of no segregation in pugging, but I said I can live in a world where pug can use 3pv against me as long as I don't have to play against 3pv team in 12v12.

I didn't change my mind go ahead remove 3pv in 12v12.

[Not Bob]

Kunae, on 28 August 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...eedback-thread/

Please read the whole thing before forming a firm opinion.(Yes, I know it's long, but that's part of the point.)

Elder Thorn, on 28 August 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

you can check over ridges without getting shot. something you can't in 1st person. That means, a scout can keep eyes on enemys without being in danger.

at about 1 minute you can see, how he can see the enemy catapult, but it has now red triangle over it, that means he has no "line of sight" -> from 1pv he would not be able to see it. As soon as he steps up the ridge he gets line of sight and a clear line of fire and it gets a triangle.
This is a killer for competitive play. Ans also for pug matches, at least to some degree.

edit:
also, one of the reasons why people are freaking out like that about this, is that this is not the first time people are dissapointed to that degree. The more often it happens, the more extreme the reactions will be.
And let's be honest, even if we'd assume that all those people are wrong, a gaming community that used to be an awesome one (during closed beta, we were all happy and we'd kiss PGI's butts because we loved them for making this awesome game - we even threw over 5 million dollars on them in a kickstarter like project called Founders Project) doesn't freak out like that with no reason.

Thank you, I have read that post, and it just sounded like they bad bad communication within, which can lead to bad decisions. I may be interrupting this wrong, but it really does sound like they were overzealous in their ideas at first, and figured they'd have huge growth after a closed beta, and that's why they used the absolute words. So to a degree I can understand this sentiment.

Also, I've watched that video, and I see what you mean, but it didn't look like he actually had a lock on that guy. (The filled in triangle means other people see him as well, and the outlined triangle means just you, correct?) I do see how he was using the hill to his advantage by seeing him not moving and popping up to shoot though. But his drone should have given away his position to the other team as well, as its a big flashing red dot. But I do see how this can be unfair.

The disappointment with updates is nothing new to me, I do play Runescape, and I'm underwhelmed each time they release something new, so I get the frustration. Thanks for helping me understand this more. I'm still not set in stone completely on what side of the issue I'm on, but thanks for bringing the evidence to me.

[BlackJackRaider]

Abivard, on 28 August 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...d&v=R48ioNgOwMs

A little more uptodate...

Lol, thanks Abivard. Like I said, updating this for each new crisis would be quite the job. I am assuming this was just before ghost heat came in?

[soarra]

Pezzer, on 28 August 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

I'm sorry, I considered those one and the same. I didn't realize you were a full-time whiner, "Veteran Whiner: Whining since CB". Thanks for clearing that up, I now know how to identify and ignore the troll

Whining since cb lol. First of all you agreed balance has been a disaster in this game , make a mistake posting and try to cover it up with insults.

[Anders]

Mr. Ekman:

Why not have a poll that asks for "3pv for solo, and 1pv only for groups of any size?" The new players get to make use of the 3pv, and can't communicate without difficulty to the group any potential vision exploits, and groups can't take advantage of vision exploits in 3pv, as they are locked out from it. Any new person who is in a group ostensibly has more senior players to assist in overcoming learning hurdles. If you're in a group, you've got to be one of those "hardcore" people that you keep talking about.

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Edited by Anders, 28 August 2013 - 03:36 PM.

[Dsi1]

This poll is absolutely disgusting, anyone who actually reads the OP won't touch it at all.

Why won't you make this poll again Ekman? Are you afraid of the answer?

[Stour]

Thank you for at least adding this Poll; it is a start to addressing some of a portion of the community's concerns that have been voiced. That being said, I haven't voted yet...

Please correct the Poll so that people who play PUG (e.g. the Lone-Wolves) can vote on having a 1PV only queue. I currently don't have the time to dedicate to 12v12 (plus without the game-play/role warfare finalized I can't really figure out what I would have to offer a unit in terms of support/play-style).

I would dearly love to throw money I've saved up for launch at this game... there really needs to be a 1PV 1-11 man queue option to this poll or an inclusive "Should there be 1PV queues for PUG queues and 12v12?" option. This way at least those who support both of those causes could vote...

My $0.02

[LegoPirate]

has anyone considered that they dont want to split regular queues because the mixed queue would be pretty much empty, except for the 6 newbs a day they get? splitting 1pv and 3+1pv would basically make the mixed queue a newbie mode, that good players could hop in and farm on.

personally as long as leagues can be 1pv only i dont care what happens in publics. theyre publics.

Edited by LegoPirate, 28 August 2013 - 03:41 PM.

[Franchi]

Stour, on 28 August 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Thank you for at least adding this Poll; it is a start to addressing some of a portion of the community's concerns that have been voiced. That being said, I haven't voted yet...

Please correct the Poll so that people who play PUG (e.g. the Lone-Wolves) can vote on having a 1PV only queue. I currently don't have the time to dedicate to 12v12 (plus without the game-play/role warfare finalized I can't really figure out what I would have to offer a unit in terms of support/play-style).

I would dearly love to throw money I've saved up for launch at this game... there really needs to be a 1PV 1-11 man queue option to this poll or an inclusive "Should there be 1PV queues for PUG queues and 12v12?" option. This way at least those who support both of those causes could vote...

My $0.02

This is NOT a good start, it is a thinly veiled bait and switch to get us all on record saying we don't want 1pv ques for every game mode.

RE READ THE OP

REALLY READ IT.

To those who voted yes in this poll, Thanks, thanks allot for tripping the claymore mine and KILLING our chances of getting 1pv ques.

To those who voted NO why are you here and not playing mechassault?

Edited by Franchi, 28 August 2013 - 03:47 PM.

[CyBerkut]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

If they implement 1PV only 12 mans, then they have kept their promise. You won't be forced to play against someone in 3PV.

Road apples, and you know it. By that sort of reasoning, I'm not forced to play against someone in 3PV now... by simply not playing. (Which, BTW is exactly what I'm doing).

[Deathlike]

LegoPirate, on 28 August 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

has anyone considered that they dont want to split regular queues because the mixed queue would be pretty much empty, except for the 6 newbs a day they get? splitting 1pv and 3+1pv would basically make the mixed queue a newbie mode, that good players could hop in and farm on.

personally as long as leagues can be 1pv only i dont care what happens in publics. theyre publics.

Wouldn't that just affirm their declining playerbase/activity in this game?

[CutterWolf]

Abivard, on 28 August 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

A little more uptodate...

http://www.youtube.c...d&v=R48ioNgOwMs

Bravo Sir! Bravo!

[Ranik Selesky]

LegoPirate, on 28 August 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

has anyone considered that they dont want to split regular queues because the mixed queue would be pretty much empty, except for the 6 newbs a day they get? splitting 1pv and 3+1pv would basically make the mixed queue a newbie mode, that good players could hop in and farm on.

personally as long as leagues can be 1pv only i dont care what happens in publics. theyre publics.

If that were true then we wish they would at least admit that. Then we could possibly make some headway

[ryoma]

No. Give us a proper hardcore queue.

[Chavette]

Sybreed, on 28 August 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

the fact that you can't explain your point in a way that is making more sense proves it never made sense to begin with. Or that you don't care enough to explain it... which is kind of ironic if you consider yourself part of the "core" group.

I already did in the first post but you didn't manage to decode half of it and tried to make a strawman from the other half. Why would I parrot myself after that?

[CyBerkut]

PEEFsmash, on 28 August 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

You should be voting yes, but also note that you think this should apply to all queues, not just 12v12.

People that aren't voting yes to this because they want no 3PV at all are cutting off the nose to spite the face.

At least some people that aren't voting yes, or no, are withholding their vote in order to withhold something that could be interpreted as tacit approval for eliminating hardcore from the drop down menu. A yes vote is an approval of the proposal that Bryan wrote... the whole thing.